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  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,125
    delfloria wrote:
    You just killed "James Bond". How the hell would Tiffany know who James Bond is?

    A perfect example of what's wrong with the movie. She knows who James Bond is, Blofeld is now a buffoon and his antagonism is completely forgotten...
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    edited September 2013 Posts: 1,497
    Ludovico wrote:
    delfloria wrote:
    You just killed "James Bond". How the hell would Tiffany know who James Bond is?

    A perfect example of what's wrong with the movie. She knows who James Bond is, Blofeld is now a buffoon and his antagonism is completely forgotten...

    I actually like that scene. Tiffany is breaking the 4th wall. It's a wink to the audience, since by this time, everyone in the world knew who James Bond was. So it was a bit of fun. DAF is a great homage to the series in a sense. It's just like Lazenby's "this never happened to the other fella" or Baron Samedi in the final shot in LALD.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,125
    JBFan626 wrote:
    Ludovico wrote:
    delfloria wrote:
    You just killed "James Bond". How the hell would Tiffany know who James Bond is?

    A perfect example of what's wrong with the movie. She knows who James Bond is, Blofeld is now a buffoon and his antagonism is completely forgotten...

    I actually like that scene. Tiffany is breaking the 4th wall. It's a wink to the audience, since by this time, everyone in the world knew who James Bond was. So it was a bit of fun. DAF is a great homage to the series in a sense. It's just like Lazenby's "this never happened to the other fella" or Baron Samedi in the final shot in LALD.

    Except she is not breaking the fourth wall: she is very much in it, not speaking to the audience or to herself with the audience in confidence, but to Bond.
  • JBFan626JBFan626
    edited September 2013 Posts: 1,497
    *double post*
  • ThunderballThunderball playing Chemin de Fer in a casino, downing Vespers
    Posts: 814
    Lose the camp, lose Guy Hamilton as director, bring back Lazenby as Bond, Telly as Blofeld and possibly bring back Peter Hunt as director. Keep Jill as Tiffany Case, though, but Bond and Case shouldn't be as romantically involved, since Bond is still in mourning over Tracy. Freshen up the script so it's at least a little more serious. Have Bond kill Blofeld at the end...maybe.
  • barryt007barryt007
    edited March 2017 Posts: 19,339
    I've just seen this comment :

    Mankiewicz later estimated the novel provided around 45 minutes of the film's final running time

    Can anyone see how Fleming's novel provided 45 mins running time of DAF ?!
    Because I cant see it.

    Also,while im here,i'm still all for CraigBond taking on the Spang brothers and other mobsters in America, as a stand-alone film for BOND25....
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    barryt007 wrote:
    Thinking about DAF and the ending on the oil rig etc got me recollecting the other option that DAF was going to be,as explained here on Wikipedia,to save me time :

    'The original plot had as a villain Auric Goldfinger's twin, seeking revenge for the death of his brother. The plot was later changed after Albert R. Broccoli had a dream, where his close friend Howard Hughes was replaced by an imposter. So the character of Willard Whyte was created, and Tom Mankiewicz was chosen to rework the script. The adaptation eliminated the main villains from the source Ian Fleming novel, mobsters called Jack and Seraffimo Spang, but used the henchmen Shady Tree, Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd.

    Richard Maibaum's original idea for the ending was a giant boat chase across Lake Mead with Blofeld being pursued by Bond and all the Las Vegas casino owners who would be sailing in their private yachts. Bond would rouse the allies into action with a spoof of Lord Nelson's famous cry, "Las Vegas expects every man to do his duty." Maibaum was misinformed; there were no Roman galleys or Chinese junks in Las Vegas, and the idea was too expensive to replicate, so it was dropped.

    Maibaum may have thought the eventual oil rig finale a poor substitute, but it was originally intended to be much more spectacular. Armed frogmen would jump from the helicopters into the sea and attach limpet mines to the rig's legs (this explains why frogmen appear on the movie's poster). Blofeld would have escaped in his BathoSub and Bond would have pursued him hanging from a weather balloon.The chase would have then continued across a salt mine with the two mortal enemies scrambling over the pure white hills of salt before Blofeld would fall to his death in a salt granulator. Permission was not granted by the owners of the salt mine. It also made the sequence too long. Further problems followed when the explosives set up for the finale were set off too early; fortunately, a handful of cameras were ready and able to capture the footage'.


    How do you feel about this DAF against the one filmed ?

    Personally i think it would have had a more satisfying ending with the salt mine scene but the rest of the ideas seem to be worse !!

    Or do you think of any other ideas that may have made DAF better in your opinion ?

    I agree the planned ending is better along with the Spangs. Closer to any Fleming material is best. The weather balloon idea sounds like YOLT the novel.
  • vzokvzok
    Posts: 4,044
    suavejmf wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote:
    Thinking about DAF and the ending on the oil rig etc got me recollecting the other option that DAF was going to be,as explained here on Wikipedia,to save me time :

    'The original plot had as a villain Auric Goldfinger's twin, seeking revenge for the death of his brother. The plot was later changed after Albert R. Broccoli had a dream, where his close friend Howard Hughes was replaced by an imposter. So the character of Willard Whyte was created, and Tom Mankiewicz was chosen to rework the script. The adaptation eliminated the main villains from the source Ian Fleming novel, mobsters called Jack and Seraffimo Spang, but used the henchmen Shady Tree, Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd.

    Richard Maibaum's original idea for the ending was a giant boat chase across Lake Mead with Blofeld being pursued by Bond and all the Las Vegas casino owners who would be sailing in their private yachts. Bond would rouse the allies into action with a spoof of Lord Nelson's famous cry, "Las Vegas expects every man to do his duty." Maibaum was misinformed; there were no Roman galleys or Chinese junks in Las Vegas, and the idea was too expensive to replicate, so it was dropped.

    Maibaum may have thought the eventual oil rig finale a poor substitute, but it was originally intended to be much more spectacular. Armed frogmen would jump from the helicopters into the sea and attach limpet mines to the rig's legs (this explains why frogmen appear on the movie's poster). Blofeld would have escaped in his BathoSub and Bond would have pursued him hanging from a weather balloon.The chase would have then continued across a salt mine with the two mortal enemies scrambling over the pure white hills of salt before Blofeld would fall to his death in a salt granulator. Permission was not granted by the owners of the salt mine. It also made the sequence too long. Further problems followed when the explosives set up for the finale were set off too early; fortunately, a handful of cameras were ready and able to capture the footage'.


    How do you feel about this DAF against the one filmed ?

    Personally i think it would have had a more satisfying ending with the salt mine scene but the rest of the ideas seem to be worse !!

    Or do you think of any other ideas that may have made DAF better in your opinion ?

    I agree the planned ending is better along with the Spangs. Closer to any Fleming material is best. The weather balloon idea sounds like YOLT the novel.

    ...and the salt mine demise sounds a bit like Dr No in the bird guano
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    Good point.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited March 2017 Posts: 6,304
    vzok wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote:
    Thinking about DAF and the ending on the oil rig etc got me recollecting the other option that DAF was going to be,as explained here on Wikipedia,to save me time :

    'The original plot had as a villain Auric Goldfinger's twin, seeking revenge for the death of his brother. The plot was later changed after Albert R. Broccoli had a dream, where his close friend Howard Hughes was replaced by an imposter. So the character of Willard Whyte was created, and Tom Mankiewicz was chosen to rework the script. The adaptation eliminated the main villains from the source Ian Fleming novel, mobsters called Jack and Seraffimo Spang, but used the henchmen Shady Tree, Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd.

    Richard Maibaum's original idea for the ending was a giant boat chase across Lake Mead with Blofeld being pursued by Bond and all the Las Vegas casino owners who would be sailing in their private yachts. Bond would rouse the allies into action with a spoof of Lord Nelson's famous cry, "Las Vegas expects every man to do his duty." Maibaum was misinformed; there were no Roman galleys or Chinese junks in Las Vegas, and the idea was too expensive to replicate, so it was dropped.

    Maibaum may have thought the eventual oil rig finale a poor substitute, but it was originally intended to be much more spectacular. Armed frogmen would jump from the helicopters into the sea and attach limpet mines to the rig's legs (this explains why frogmen appear on the movie's poster). Blofeld would have escaped in his BathoSub and Bond would have pursued him hanging from a weather balloon.The chase would have then continued across a salt mine with the two mortal enemies scrambling over the pure white hills of salt before Blofeld would fall to his death in a salt granulator. Permission was not granted by the owners of the salt mine. It also made the sequence too long. Further problems followed when the explosives set up for the finale were set off too early; fortunately, a handful of cameras were ready and able to capture the footage'.


    How do you feel about this DAF against the one filmed ?

    Personally i think it would have had a more satisfying ending with the salt mine scene but the rest of the ideas seem to be worse !!

    Or do you think of any other ideas that may have made DAF better in your opinion ?

    I agree the planned ending is better along with the Spangs. Closer to any Fleming material is best. The weather balloon idea sounds like YOLT the novel.

    ...and the salt mine demise sounds a bit like Dr No in the bird guano

    I'd like some of what Fleming was smoking when he wrote Dr. No. It's the most bat**** of all the novels.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    echo wrote: »
    vzok wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote:
    Thinking about DAF and the ending on the oil rig etc got me recollecting the other option that DAF was going to be,as explained here on Wikipedia,to save me time :

    'The original plot had as a villain Auric Goldfinger's twin, seeking revenge for the death of his brother. The plot was later changed after Albert R. Broccoli had a dream, where his close friend Howard Hughes was replaced by an imposter. So the character of Willard Whyte was created, and Tom Mankiewicz was chosen to rework the script. The adaptation eliminated the main villains from the source Ian Fleming novel, mobsters called Jack and Seraffimo Spang, but used the henchmen Shady Tree, Mr. Wint and Mr. Kidd.

    Richard Maibaum's original idea for the ending was a giant boat chase across Lake Mead with Blofeld being pursued by Bond and all the Las Vegas casino owners who would be sailing in their private yachts. Bond would rouse the allies into action with a spoof of Lord Nelson's famous cry, "Las Vegas expects every man to do his duty." Maibaum was misinformed; there were no Roman galleys or Chinese junks in Las Vegas, and the idea was too expensive to replicate, so it was dropped.

    Maibaum may have thought the eventual oil rig finale a poor substitute, but it was originally intended to be much more spectacular. Armed frogmen would jump from the helicopters into the sea and attach limpet mines to the rig's legs (this explains why frogmen appear on the movie's poster). Blofeld would have escaped in his BathoSub and Bond would have pursued him hanging from a weather balloon.The chase would have then continued across a salt mine with the two mortal enemies scrambling over the pure white hills of salt before Blofeld would fall to his death in a salt granulator. Permission was not granted by the owners of the salt mine. It also made the sequence too long. Further problems followed when the explosives set up for the finale were set off too early; fortunately, a handful of cameras were ready and able to capture the footage'.


    How do you feel about this DAF against the one filmed ?

    Personally i think it would have had a more satisfying ending with the salt mine scene but the rest of the ideas seem to be worse !!

    Or do you think of any other ideas that may have made DAF better in your opinion ?

    I agree the planned ending is better along with the Spangs. Closer to any Fleming material is best. The weather balloon idea sounds like YOLT the novel.

    ...and the salt mine demise sounds a bit like Dr No in the bird guano

    I'd like some of what Fleming was smoking when he wrote Dr. No. It's the most bat**** of all the novels.

    Its also brilliant.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    No harm in being high ...look at DAF and MR...surely they were high when they wrote that and got the green light !
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Here you go @Torgeirtrap ,this is a thread I created about your very same question before.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,757
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Here you go @Torgeirtrap ,this is a thread I created about your very same question before.

    Thanks, @barryt007! 'll give it a read :-)
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