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  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
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    I'm a language descriptivist, rather than prescriptivist, so anything goes in my book!
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    As good as the SP PTS is it's the worst of all Craig's still.
    I feel SO fortunate that I can enjoy most of Craig's era more than so many here... AND most of Brosnan's... AND both Dalton's, Moore's, Lazenby's, Connery's.... I sometimes have to stop & realize what a huge fan I am...

    =))

    I'm aware some of you almost slavishly love almost every entry with some exceptions but I'm not one of them.

    You could also explain what is so side splittingly funny about your comment, forgive me but I sometimes forget you are older than me with the continuous use of emoticons.

    I personally would gladly put them in room 101, I really can't stand them, it just goes to show how dumbed down we've become as a species.


    They are plenty of things about how we currently communicate as a species that show how we have degenerated into a lesser form of what we were before. Like how some use every opportunity they can in their speech to complain about the same things (like the 24th film in a series, for instance) time and nauseating time again, or how others can't stand the "slavish" opinions of others that don't match their own to the point that they seem to take it as an offense on their character, responding to further comments with pompous abandon.

    Life is futile, progress is unprogressive and meaning is the rusted and faulty mechanism of humanity's scrambling to understand that which has no explanation. But hey, at least we have emoticons! Join hands as our species continues its journey to annihilation!

    :)] ;)) :)>- :)) :) :(|) :(( :( ;) :D ;;) >:D< :-/ :x :\"> :P <:-P :-* =(( :-O :O) X( X( :> B-) :-S #:-S #:-S >:) :| /:) =)) O:-) :-B =; I-) 8-| L-) :-& :-$ [-( 8-} (:| =P~ :-?? :-? #-o =D> :-SS @-) :^o :-w :-< >:P :@) 3:-O ~:> ~O) *-:) 8-X >-) :-L [-O< $-) :-\" b-( [-X \:D/ >:/ :-@ ^:)^ :-j :-c ~X( :-h :-t :-t 8-> %-( :o3 X_X :!! \m/ :-q :-bd ^#(^ :bz :ar! :)] ;)) :)>- :)) :) :(|) :(( :( ;) :D ;;) >:D< :-/ :x :\"> :P <:-P :-* =(( :-O :O) X( X( :> B-) :-S #:-S #:-S >:) :| /:) =)) O:-) :-B =; I-) 8-| L-) :-& :-$ [-( 8-} (:| =P~ :-?? :-? #-o =D> :-SS @-) :^o :-w :-< >:P :@) 3:-O ~:> ~O) *-:) 8-X >-) :-L [-O< $-) :-\" b-( [-X \:D/ >:/ :-@ ^:)^ :-j :-c ~X( :-h :-t :-t 8-> %-( :o3 X_X :!! \m/ :-q :-bd ^#(^ :bz :ar! :)] ;)) :)>- :)) :) :(|) :(( :( ;) :D ;;) >:D< :-/ :x :\"> :P <:-P :-* =(( :-O :O) X( X( :> B-) :-S #:-S #:-S >:) :| /:) =)) O:-) :-B =; I-) 8-| L-) :-& :-$ [-( 8-} (:| =P~ :-?? :-? #-o =D> :-SS @-) :^o :-w :-< >:P :@) 3:-O ~:> ~O) *-:) 8-X >-) :-L [-O< $-) :-\" b-( [-X \:D/ >:/ :-@ ^:)^ :-j :-c ~X( :-h :-t :-t 8-> %-( :o3 X_X :!! \m/ :-q :-bd ^#(^ :bz :ar!

    A classic example of many on this forum, glass houses and stones my friend.

    Making out you are above it all when all said and done we all get riled and say things.

    I don't mind being called out on it, be sure you don't get vertigo high up there as you look down on the likes of me.

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    chrisisall wrote: »
    Shardlake wrote: »
    As good as the SP PTS is it's the worst of all Craig's still.
    I feel SO fortunate that I can enjoy most of Craig's era more than so many here... AND most of Brosnan's... AND both Dalton's, Moore's, Lazenby's, Connery's.... I sometimes have to stop & realize what a huge fan I am...

    =))

    I'm aware some of you almost slavishly love almost every entry with some exceptions but I'm not one of them.

    You could also explain what is so side splittingly funny about your comment, forgive me but I sometimes forget you are older than me with the continuous use of emoticons.

    I personally would gladly put them in room 101, I really can't stand them, it just goes to show how dumbed down we've become as a species.


    They are plenty of things about how we currently communicate as a species that show how we have degenerated into a lesser form of what we were before. Like how some use every opportunity they can in their speech to complain about the same things (like the 24th film in a series, for instance) time and nauseating time again, or how others can't stand the "slavish" opinions of others that don't match their own to the point that they seem to take it as an offense on their character, responding to further comments with pompous abandon.

    Life is futile, progress is unprogressive and meaning is the rusted and faulty mechanism of humanity's scrambling to understand that which has no explanation. But hey, at least we have emoticons! Join hands as our species continues its journey to annihilation!

    :)] ;)) :)>- :)) :) :(|) :(( :( ;) :D ;;) >:D< :-/ :x :\"> :P <:-P :-* =(( :-O :O) X( X( :> B-) :-S #:-S #:-S >:) :| /:) =)) O:-) :-B =; I-) 8-| L-) :-& :-$ [-( 8-} (:| =P~ :-?? :-? #-o =D> :-SS @-) :^o :-w :-< >:P :@) 3:-O ~:> ~O) *-:) 8-X >-) :-L [-O< $-) :-\" b-( [-X \:D/ >:/ :-@ ^:)^ :-j :-c ~X( :-h :-t :-t 8-> %-( :o3 X_X :!! \m/ :-q :-bd ^#(^ :bz :ar! :)] ;)) :)>- :)) :) :(|) :(( :( ;) :D ;;) >:D< :-/ :x :\"> :P <:-P :-* =(( :-O :O) X( X( :> B-) :-S #:-S #:-S >:) :| /:) =)) O:-) :-B =; I-) 8-| L-) :-& :-$ [-( 8-} (:| =P~ :-?? :-? #-o =D> :-SS @-) :^o :-w :-< >:P :@) 3:-O ~:> ~O) *-:) 8-X >-) :-L [-O< $-) :-\" b-( [-X \:D/ >:/ :-@ ^:)^ :-j :-c ~X( :-h :-t :-t 8-> %-( :o3 X_X :!! \m/ :-q :-bd ^#(^ :bz :ar! :)] ;)) :)>- :)) :) :(|) :(( :( ;) :D ;;) >:D< :-/ :x :\"> :P <:-P :-* =(( :-O :O) X( X( :> B-) :-S #:-S #:-S >:) :| /:) =)) O:-) :-B =; I-) 8-| L-) :-& :-$ [-( 8-} (:| =P~ :-?? :-? #-o =D> :-SS @-) :^o :-w :-< >:P :@) 3:-O ~:> ~O) *-:) 8-X >-) :-L [-O< $-) :-\" b-( [-X \:D/ >:/ :-@ ^:)^ :-j :-c ~X( :-h :-t :-t 8-> %-( :o3 X_X :!! \m/ :-q :-bd ^#(^ :bz :ar!

    A classic example of many on this forum, glass houses and stones my friend.

    Making out you are above it all when all said and done we all get riled and say things.

    I don't mind being called out on it, be sure you don't get vertigo high up there as you look down on the likes of me.

    Oh god, I am just sooo into myself, up on my tippy-toppy throne. You are most certainly right, sir. You are but a pustule from where I'm sitting, and my well-cushioned arse bears no sympathy for the many peons I have bettered as I look down upon them from on high. Ah, the white, fluffy clouds, the bright, shimmering sun, the captivating blue of the sky; it all looks so wondrous from way up here. This truly is the splendor of life...

    *cough* *cough*

    As much as I love our little conversations, @Shardlake, as I stated earlier today I do feel you have an "I hate SP and all those involved in its creation" quota to fill, and by my count you've only injected your negativity and dramatic hatred of the movie into just under half of your posts today. You're slipping! ;)

    A question: does placing an emoticon after my comment tranquilize the bitter retort (?), because I honestly can't tell from way up here. I guess I'm going to have to invest in some grade-A binoculars before long.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7, I wish I knew, but I stared at that mass amount of emoticons for a little too long and my eyeballs melted right out of my skull.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    You could also explain what is so side splittingly funny about your comment
    I use emoticons because I'm aware that I can sometimes come off as a jerk trying to impose his views on others, so in an attempt to avoid conflict in posts that might need too much explaining I'll throw in a smiley to kind of take a possible edge off- let you know that I don't take my own self 100% seriously.
    I am, in the end, just a dopey rabid fan that never actually gets to watch these movies as often as I'd like...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    We're all friends again? Great. I personally don't like those little yellow things either, but they are a fact of life these days.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I personally don't like those little yellow things either
    If you were really old like I am you'd find them amusing....
    ~O)
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    I'm only sorry we don't have any with unicorns or fluffy kittens. :(
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Thunderpussy wrote: »
    I'm only sorry we don't have any with unicorns or fluffy kittens. :(

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  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    The opening car chase and ending (i.e. Bond confronting Yusef Kabira) are both exceptional scenes and high points of the DC era thus far.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    The opening car chase and ending (i.e. Bond confronting Yusef Kabira) are both exceptional scenes and high points of the DC era thus far.
    Agreed.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    suavejmf wrote: »
    The opening car chase and ending (i.e. Bond confronting Yusef Kabira) are both exceptional scenes and high points of the DC era thus far.

    They're the best scenes in that film, which is a shame.
  • ThrasosThrasos
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    Just finished my first watching of my new DVD of QoS, though I saw it in the theater when it came out and on TV, and like a few have mentioned, I felt at first it was a letdown from the high of CR, maybe partly because of its rapid edits and my slight dislike at the time for the inference of the "revenge" theme and the "two-parter" theme, but I've really come to like it a lot, including the brilliant opening car chase. The whole story really moves along, and I no longer feel like Bond was motivated by revenge in this film (for the most part) but by doing his job as a professional, hunting down the leads. I also just noticed the symmetry between the closing scene where Bond has Kabira at gunpoint, lets the Canadian agent go, and Kabira lives...and the scene in CR where Mr. White kills Le Chiffre but lets Bond live.

    How does QoS rank among the Craig films for me? I need to watch SF again, but right now I'd say I rank them CR, then SF, then SP, then QoS, but I rank all of them above all the Brosnan films except for Goldeneye, which I have at #8, but it might move down a little in my next ranking.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited June 2016 Posts: 28,694
    @Thrasos, I'm glad you've had a rejuvenated view of QoS after giving it another watch. I love how you pointed out the visual and contextual similarities between Bond at the end of QoS and White at the end of CR. each pointing their guns at traitors in their own separate endeavors. That hasn't really struck me before, but I love that observation.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    I've gone from liking to absolutely loving this film over the course of a week.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    For me it ranks with LTK, OHMSS & DAF (strange bedfellows for sure) as most improved Bond film since first watch.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @jake24, care to share what's made it more enjoyable in your mind? I'm quite interested to hear.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
    edited June 2016 Posts: 10,591
    @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 It's hard to pinpoint exactly. I had always viewed it as a mid-tier Bond film, a disappointment following Casino Royale (which it still is, in some respects). But its non stop visceral excitement has really gotten to me lately. The action is inventive and superbly shot, the film is among the most visually striking of the franchise, and Craig manages to balance a Bond filled with rage and emotion. It's also needless to mention that Arnold's score is euphoric and his best yet. I suppose my only issue with it is that for such a short movie, it is 60% action and 40% plot development. When you've come to expect a film for what it is, your perception can change after you revisit it.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    jake24 wrote: »
    When you've come to expect a film for what it is, your perception can change after you revisit it.

    YES!!!!!
  • ThrasosThrasos
    edited June 2016 Posts: 1,469
    jake24 wrote: »
    ...The action is inventive and superbly shot, the film is among the most visually striking of the franchise, and Craig manages to balance a Bond filled with rage and emotion. It's also needless to mention that Arnold's score is euphoric and his best yet...
    Yeah, I liked Arnold's score for this one...certain themes stick with me now even after finishing it last night (reminds me of how I was listening a lot to Marc Bolan/T. Rex music a few months ago and couldn't get some of his riffs out of my head). I agree how well shot it is--visually striking as you say, jake24. I really dug the theme song this time too! And the opening titles too, with the bullet coarsing through the air etc.

    Something I forgot to mention is how I finally noticed, near the end where Bond has chased Greene through the desert hotel on fire and finally caught him but they hear the gunshot and Greene says essentially "Looks like you lost another one"...Bond lets him go, runs in the opposite direction, and looks for Camille. Maybe the thought Bond would have is that Greene doesn't have anywhere to escape to, though maybe he could've escaped, because at least one vehicle was left intact, the one that Bond later used to drive him into the desert (unless Bond called someone to bring the vehicle to the hotel, which I doubt). But bottom line, it's apparently more important for Bond to try to make sure that what happened to Vesper in CR doesn't happen to Camille this time, so he abandons the chance to question Greene about Quantum right then to go to Camille. Another connection with CR, I think, that maybe some of you noticed.

  • MadeleineSwannMadeleineSwann
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    So it didn't start off as a series but now it officially is. I'm gonna try making a little video for each Bond film, going backwards, with a different Bondian sounding song each time. Wish me luck haha, and here's my Quantum of Solace video:



    I'm not too sure about how well I did with this video but we'll soon see.
  • SharkBaitSharkBait
    edited September 2016 Posts: 2,107
    Yes, Quantum of Solace has more natural dialogue, compared to CR and no shameless product placement. In that regard QoS might be CraigBond's best film.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @MadeleineSwann, another fine creation!

    The reason I like this video is why I love the QoS trailers as well; you used the constant action and momentum of the movie to keep raising the adrenaline of the trailer beside the music. Overall I like the song choice and the wailing chorus that happens in sections of high action (again nice parallels with video and audio). It can get a bit too hip-hop at points, but overall it's not a bad fit. I like all the little character moments you addressed in regards to Bond in the video too, giving time to his fight to move on from Vesper and the inclusion of Mathis' quote about the good and bad being all mixed up is a perfect symbolic line of the film itself and its moral grays. And of course there's awesome moments that really stick out here like in the Skyfall video where a line or sound in the song matches the action occurring in the video. My favorite moment in this one was the gun shot in the song that hits right as Bond and Camille fight over a gun on Medrano's boat. Brilliant.

    I look forward to your Casino Royale video, but of course you knew that. Make us proud!
  • Aziz_FekkeshAziz_Fekkesh Royale-les-Eaux
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    Great thread, some very interesting perspectives here. QoS has become somewhat of a whipping boy for the Craig era (and the series in general). Watching it again on the truly fantastic blu ray edition and I like it even more now. Every time I've watched it has gotten incrementally better. I really responded to the humour this time around, with Craig's dead pan delivery of one liners hilarious. I think it's a little rushed, but I like how fast paced and relentless it is; I want to say 10 minutes would benefit it (if just to elaborate on the world wide scope of Quantum and the involvement of Guy Haines, maybe) but that might throw of the pacing. Really interesting bridge between CR's classicism/ruthlessness with the more laid back and comical nature of Mendes' films.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    @doubleoego, I think QoS was only harshly received in comparison to CR, and because it was so different from CR. The pace was torrid, and there was far less romance, which perhaps threw some (it did me). Generally speaking, it's excellent.

    I too tried to watch SP yesterday, and couldn't get through it fully. Sad really.

    In a way, QOS was doomed to disappoint, following CR.

    I wasn't disappointed at all. I thoroughly enjoyed QoS when it came out.

    I saw it as a refreshing palette cleanser. I was not completely bowled over by CR. I thought it was a vast improvement on DAD and I thought Craig was miles better than Brosnan, but it didn't completely do it for me.

    In a sense what I like about QOS is that it feels a bit smaller and low key than CR. It's not trying desperately to be a classic like so many of the recent films. As a result i think it works a lot better.

    Yes it has too much frenetic action, but People often overlook the excellent dramatic scenes - some of the best of the Craig era IMo.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited November 2016 Posts: 15,713
    After watching QOS many times lately, I am now of the opinion that Giannini's performance as Mathis is one of the best in the entire franchise (and I include Bond performances), and the chemistry between him and Craig is right up there with the one between Connery Bond and Kerim in FRWL.
  • GetafixGetafix
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    DaltonCraig007 wrote: »
    After watching QOS many times lately, I am now of the opinion that Giannini's performance as Mathis is one of the best in the entire franchise (and I include Bond performances), and the chemistry between him and Craig is right up there with the one between Connery Bond and Kerim in FRWL.

    Yes. Very nice.

    I think Amalric is underrated as well. I enjoy his perofrmance.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @DaltonCraig007

    Glad to hear it. Yes, Giancarlo Giannini is great.
    I love every scene with him and he is also one of my favourite European actors (non-British).

    His death scene in QOS leaves me in tears. For years I wasn't even able to watch it (for personal reasons).
    Now that I can again I think it's the best emotional scene of the series even. And one of the moments where Craig actually shows a bit of acting talent too.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    I'm in full agreement with @daltoncraig and @Getafix.

    QoS is flawed and I dare say handicapped but there's just so much going for it that makes it a unique standout entry. No pretence. No bullshit. It's a film that gets straight down to business, tackling the story head on.

    The opening car chase is definitely the best PTS of the Craig era and top 5 of all 24 entries. Craig is amazing. Stoic and lost in his job and really operates on a, 'by any means necessary' level. Furthermore, he looks great. His suits are the perfect fit, none of that overly tight fit rubbish and he's really able to move, continuing the visceral movement, action and urgency with the physical action.

    Then we get set pieces like Tosca, intimate moments like: Bond and Mathis (every scene they shared was pure gold).

    I could go on about how underrated this film is and all the subtle and inconspicuous gems there are littered throughout but I won't. The film is definitely one of the most boldly artistic entries and due to its length and pacing, serves to be satisfying, particularly as an epilogue to CR.
  • Tuck91Tuck91
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    QOS was panned when it came out in comparison to how well recieved it is now.
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