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@sworddevil1, I haven't done rankings in forever, but I'd definitely put QoS very, very high. My top films are going to be some mix of the Terence Young Connery films, and Craig's, as those are my stand out favorites overall, CR still being my #1. There is just a magic to Craig's portrayal that has and will always get me.
As for the Bond and White stuff in SP, it's definitely brilliant. One of the many standout scenes I love from that movie. There's a lot of dark comedy to it, too, as White seems to think some random killer has come for him, only for him to act surprised when he not only doesn't get immediately clapped in the back of the head, but also because he's reuniting with an old enemy who will soon turn friend. It really is crazy, that Bond goes on to not just help out the man that helped to lead Vesper to her end, but furthermore that Bond goes on to fall in love with White's daughter. Such drama.
I honestly enjoy the hotel scene in Morocco just as much. No dialogue is said, but as White's secret room is uncovered you can see Madeleine's internal pain realizing the man she both loved and hated is now gone, and there's nothing she can do to repair that, while Bond has just gotten to see the humanity of White in his last moments but is further reminded of how bad of a man he could be while finding Vesper's interrogation tape. I just adore that scene, and how it underscores the dark and light in White, of his family man side and his assassin side, of the good and the bad in all of us each fighting for supremacy. Even in death, he has a long impact on the characters he leaves behind.
That was a brilliant scene in Spectre, one of my favourites. I think you'll note too if you look at the chessboard that the White King is in checkmate.
How do you mean @Minion? Like in what way? Also, what happened to slide99?
Indeed all great stuff. I think you and I see a lot very similarity. Casino R, as you said is pure magic with Dan. I’ve seen the movie 246 times. Yes, I counted. I could not have written out a Bond movie that was any better for me. Also, a lot of irony as you said between Bond and White. What if White could have been saved and they teamed up to take on Spectre In Spectre? Or if White said he had so much time left and he was going to help Bond. I think that would have added so much to the film.
That is very cool! I will check that out soon. I have been wanting to watch Spectre again lately.
slide99 admitted he’d never actually seen NTTD despite his many criticisms of it.
A Bond and White team up would've been interesting, sure, but I'm fine with what we got. I was just thrilled to see White again, honestly, and in such a great moment. I had been wanting to see them reunite for years, so when we got it I was so very giddy.
I remember staying up all night to wait for the SP trailer to hit online, and when I heard the line about Bond being a "kite dancing in a hurricane" I knew immediately who it was and when I saw his actual face I think I yelped out of joy loud enough to wake my whole house up. Such a great memory.
Seems pretty par for the course on the internet these days. Knowing what you're talking about is for squares.
Yeah except I made that clear in my first post. You can stop pretending, now.
What's reasonable: Not seeing the film, reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia, and making one or two comments along the lines of "I haven't seen the film, but I've read the plot synopsis and I have real problems with what they're doing. As a result I have no interest in seeing the film."
What isn't reasonable: Not seeing the film, reading the plot synopsis on Wikipedia, making one post that says you haven't seen the film nor have any intentions to do so, and then making dozens of long-winded posts about why the movie is terrible and how the franchise is ruined.
And, you continue to remind everyone that in your first post you said you weren't going to see the film, as if everyone who engages with you is going to go out of their way to find your first post for some reason.
As I've said before, of course you're free to engage with the community however you like within the guidelines, but how anyone can view your opinions on NTTD as anything but worthless stumps me.
Agree with everything here, and always appreciate some Spectre love! It is a great scene, "Two dead men, enjoying the evening!", "It wasn't MI6, it was Rome. Your team, not mine." Love it.
The only issue with it is the same shoehorning they did with the rest of the film that didn't work. "Our game was our game, but women? Children?" He didn't seem too broken up about things when Vesper died in Venice. A bit of a contrivance there to pit White and Blofeld against eachother.
You may as well take the plunge and watch it, mate.
The film exists and there's nothing you can do about it. It's like not opening an unwanted bill. It's there whether you like it or not.
You already know what happens so you may as well enjoy it for the performances and action, which are very good
From the way the scene is edited,it SEEMS that Mitchell takes a shot at M and actually hits her.However,a few seconds later before Bond chases after Mitchell we get a brief shot of M ( or her double ) running out of the room unharmed.It’s hard to tell what the filmmakers were trying to convey here as the editing is completely incompetent.
He shoots at M and the bullet hits the pole of Mr White's drip. Admittedly very difficult to spot unless you slow it down.
The editing may not be great, but I really don't think it's as difficult to understand as some are making it out to be. On first viewing, it's quite clear that Mitchell takes a shot at M and misses.
But perhaps I'm just above average at understanding films. B-) (Kidding, of course.)
I don't find it all that shoehorned. I think White organically came to his own conclusion about Blofeld, and how he was ramping things up. He was unhinged, and White had a problem with it. And perhaps the older he got, the more he regret the life choices he made that made him re-evaluate what he was doing. He'd lost everything, and everyone he loved. His wife abandoned him, and Madeleine didn't want anything to do with him, which you can tell bothers him. Madeleine was all he had left, and he'd do anything to protect her. In the end he wasn't all that concerned about himself; he'd played the game and finally lost. But he knew Blofeld wouldn't stop there and he'd go after his family too. Bond then becomes a nice immobilizer for him, his ace in the hole.
White just seemed like a classic villain, really. Happy to kill men and do nefarious things to a limit, but stopped short of full on depravity and the killing of innocent women and children. It's hypocritical and morally bankrupt, but that's the man he was. I think part of why he wasn't broken up about Vesper was because it was a situation that ended up positively for him. In the ensuing chaos of Italy he got the money he needed, and the loose end of Vesper tied itself off via her suicide. He just didn't anticipate that Vesper would use her last moments to lay a seed for Bond to manipulate later. There's definitely a part of White that seemed too proud for his own good. He got sloppy here and there, because he felt he was a lot more protected than he really was. And in the end, it cost him his life.
Well, yes, but Bond doesn't leave to chase after Mitchell until he knows M's okay. After he scuffles with Mitchell and Mitchell kicks him back and runs for it, Bond gives a quick look back and sees M running to safety. He then gives pursuit assured that she's safe.
Spot on. And I think Bond had to kill some of Quantum’s men around White’s house-you know he had guards out there. So what did Bond do before White actually got there at his home (which was absolutely a gorgeous house and breathtaking scenery-wonder what it would cost?). Anyway, it seems like I have seen some deleted black and white photos with the ump around the house. Do we have a Casino Royale appreciation thread? I haven’t seen one. Great insight
@0BradyM0Bondfanatic7.
I’d disagree. It is meant to be frenetic and in-your-face. It try’s to kill you into the action. Really, it’s aN artistic call, but I thoroughly enjoyed it.
It basically charts the real-life locations of the car chase on a map.
1. Villa Gaeta on Lake Como in northern Italy. Strictly speaking not QoS but the ending of CR. Bond shoots Mr. White in the leg after tracking him down via Vesper's phone. Off-screen he presumably dumps him into his boot and gets going.
2. Tunnels on the SR249 at Malcesine (240 km/150 miles, without highways). The opening shots of QoS. Bond is by now getting chased by bad guys in two Alfa Romeos. He loses his driver's side door here. Maybe MI6 transfered White to Lake Garda for an interrogation, before deciding they actually need to go to the safe house in Siena. Maybe Bond was supposed to take White to Bozen, north of Garda, and decided to take the scenic route, before his chasers forced him south. Anyway, he is being chased along the eastern shore of the lake.*
3. Tunnel at Tremosine sul Garda (284 km/175 miles without highways). The chase continues through the very picturesque and memorable tunnel in Tremosine sul Garda on the western shore of Garda. The carabinieri here are very helpful to their colleagues all over the country as upon Bond and one remaining Alfa entering the tunnel they immediatly realize and warn that they are headed for the quarries 300 km to their south.
4. Marble quarries at Massa-Carrara (575 km/357 miles without highways). After driving for 300 km without anything of note happening and Bond making the decision to not go directly to his destination in Siena but to take in some more scenery to the west of the optimal route, we rejoin the chase in the famous marble quarries of Massa-Carrara. Having been warned by their northern colleagues that a car chase is going to come their way in a couple of hours, the carabinieri join the chase, but are swiftly taken out by the remaining Alfa. That car in turn is finally taken care of by Bond and the chase ends.
5. Siena (741 km/460 miles without highways). Bond does a further 166 km/100 miles leisure-drive through beautiful Tuscany with a shot-up car that has no driver's side door and is caked in marble dust to finally get to his destination Siena. Mr. White has been in the boot the entire time and sadly missed all the wonderful scenery 007 got to enjoy (Oh and by the way: That MI6 safehouse is inside Siena's restricted traffic zone, so Bond can expect a hefty fine through the automated toll system at the town gates, unless he somehow got a special permit.).
*To me, the footage looks like they are driving southward on the SR249 with the lake to their right, but all sources I found are unanimously saying the start is on the eastern shore going north. If they were going south, that would strengthen the Bozen theory (he got blocked somewhere around Mezzana and turned south), but then why would he ever turn up on the other side of the lake instead of going straight south?
I am fully aware of how ridiculous this is. I just love this part of Italy and always have to laugh when they drive from the lake straight into the quarry
I always got the idea from the film that Bond is purposefully driving the most rugged terrain he can get at in an effort to lose his pursuers, or put them into situations where they will be in more peril due to poor traction or the road conditions and all the obstacles throughout. Because Bond being Bond, he's confident that he can handle just about anything he faces behind the wheel.
So did Bond suddenly decide to change suits after he dumped White into the boot?
That's just the case of the films being directed by two different people. Considering the thought that was put behind making Bond's journey match up geographically, what he's wearing while driving is about as unimportant as it gets.
That sounds like a genuinely careless attention to continuity.It’s like Rian Johnson switching Kylo Renns scar from where it was on one side of his face at the end of The Farce Awakens to the other side for The Last Jedi.
@AstonLotus, oh, please. I love that you're comparing a mild change in wardrobe to a scar on a character's face changing position. This is the very definition of a nit-pick, which you can do to literally any aspect of a Bond film. To pretend otherwise is foolish.