Is Moonraker the most used novel of Fleming?

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  • Posts: 15,117
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    I agree they don’t need to rely on Fleming, or even other authors for that matter, but it’s nice every time they go back to the source.
    Let's not forget that Ian Fleming himself recycled elements from his novels. Le Chiffre, Drax and Goldfinger have somewhat similar backgrounds, Orman Bunt is in some way a reincarnation of Rosa Klebb (gross sexually neutral villainess), etc.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
    Posts: 1,351
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    I agree they don’t need to rely on Fleming, or even other authors for that matter, but it’s nice every time they go back to the source.
    Let's not forget that Ian Fleming himself recycled elements from his novels. Le Chiffre, Drax and Goldfinger have somewhat similar backgrounds, Orman Bunt is in some way a reincarnation of Rosa Klebb (gross sexually neutral villainess), etc.

    And of course at some point they could just straight up redo past movies.
    I absolutely do not want that to happen, but in today's Hollywood, films get remade after ten years, let alone 50.
  • Posts: 9,846
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    I agree they don’t need to rely on Fleming, or even other authors for that matter, but it’s nice every time they go back to the source.
    Let's not forget that Ian Fleming himself recycled elements from his novels. Le Chiffre, Drax and Goldfinger have somewhat similar backgrounds, Orman Bunt is in some way a reincarnation of Rosa Klebb (gross sexually neutral villainess), etc.

    And of course at some point they could just straight up redo past movies.
    I absolutely do not want that to happen, but in today's Hollywood, films get remade after ten years, let alone 50.
    Ludovico wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    I agree they don’t need to rely on Fleming, or even other authors for that matter, but it’s nice every time they go back to the source.
    Let's not forget that Ian Fleming himself recycled elements from his novels. Le Chiffre, Drax and Goldfinger have somewhat similar backgrounds, Orman Bunt is in some way a reincarnation of Rosa Klebb (gross sexually neutral villainess), etc.

    And of course at some point they could just straight up redo past movies.
    I absolutely do not want that to happen, but in today's Hollywood, films get remade after ten years, let alone 50.

    like how Moonraker is remake of the spy who loved me and A view to a Kill is a remake of Goldfiner
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited December 2020 Posts: 16,383
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    They didn't need to though. The first ten minutes of Daylights, yes; after that it's totally original. They've shown that they're perfectly capable of writing stuff without Fleming, the question of 'what will they do when they exhaust Fleming' is answered by 'the same thing they've been doing for forty years'.
    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    That's a bit of a stretch regarding GoldenEye, I think it's probably more coincidence than anything. Bond stories aren't hugely original or diverse themselves so they do tend to repeat naturally. A bit like how LTK plays very much like an adaptation of TMWTGG but apparently the writers didn't intend that: they thought they were doing Yojimbo. But really 'spy goes undercover in an organisation to bring it down' isn't a massively unique concept.


  • mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    They didn't need to though. The first ten minutes of Daylights, yes; after that it's totally original. They've shown that they're perfectly capable of writing stuff without Fleming, the question of 'what will they do when they exhaust Fleming' is answered by 'the same thing they've been doing for forty years'.
    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    That's a bit of a stretch regarding GoldenEye, I think it's probably more coincidence than anything. Bond stories aren't hugely original or diverse themselves so they do tend to repeat naturally.


    You’re right, they didn’t need too, but I think after how excessive TSWLM and MR were, it was probably for the best to try and incorporate some element of Fleming.

    Regarding Goldeneye, maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I’ve found Trevelyns motivation similar to that of Drax’s from the book. But that’s about it, kind of Barebones really.
  • Posts: 3,327
    mtm wrote: »

    They didn't need to though. The first ten minutes of Daylights, yes; after that it's totally original. They've shown that they're perfectly capable of writing stuff without Fleming, the question of 'what will they do when they exhaust Fleming' is answered by 'the same thing they've been doing for forty years'.

    They have never needed to rely solely on a Fleming novel since 1969, right the way through to 2005 with CR. What we have had in-between is scenes and short stories adapted to fit a wider original script.

    At the end of the day, adding these Fleming moments is paying lip service to the hardcore Fleming fanbase like myself. Most casual moviegoers will be none the wiser for it. But its enough to keep us Fleming die-hards happy.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,298
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    They didn't need to though. The first ten minutes of Daylights, yes; after that it's totally original. They've shown that they're perfectly capable of writing stuff without Fleming, the question of 'what will they do when they exhaust Fleming' is answered by 'the same thing they've been doing for forty years'.
    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    That's a bit of a stretch regarding GoldenEye, I think it's probably more coincidence than anything. Bond stories aren't hugely original or diverse themselves so they do tend to repeat naturally.


    You’re right, they didn’t need too, but I think after how excessive TSWLM and MR were, it was probably for the best to try and incorporate some element of Fleming.

    Regarding Goldeneye, maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I’ve found Trevelyns motivation similar to that of Drax’s from the book. But that’s about it, kind of Barebones really.

    "The target is London."
  • edited December 2020 Posts: 6,844
    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    They didn't need to though. The first ten minutes of Daylights, yes; after that it's totally original. They've shown that they're perfectly capable of writing stuff without Fleming, the question of 'what will they do when they exhaust Fleming' is answered by 'the same thing they've been doing for forty years'.
    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    That's a bit of a stretch regarding GoldenEye, I think it's probably more coincidence than anything. Bond stories aren't hugely original or diverse themselves so they do tend to repeat naturally.


    You’re right, they didn’t need too, but I think after how excessive TSWLM and MR were, it was probably for the best to try and incorporate some element of Fleming.

    Regarding Goldeneye, maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I’ve found Trevelyns motivation similar to that of Drax’s from the book. But that’s about it, kind of Barebones really.

    "The target is London."

    To settle an old score dating from WWII. Not to mention the veiny patchwork of facial scarring over half his face that looks pretty much exactly like Drax's as described in the book.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,792
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.
    Well the answer is classic stories are retold all the time. And James Bond films shouldn't play out as an elimination game for Fleming material.

    My additional thought is it's just a matter of time before the Fleming novels are filmed and updated without reservations the way Casino Royale was in 2006. Tempus fugit.

  • This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.
    Well the answer is classic stories are retold all the time. And James Bond films shouldn't play out as an elimination game for Fleming material.

    My additional thought is it's just a matter of time before the Fleming novels are filmed and updated without reservations the way Casino Royale was in 2006. Tempus fugit.

    Part of me resists the idea of reusing Fleming titles and books that have already been adapted largely faithfully, while part of me is rather intrigued.
  • This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.
    Well the answer is classic stories are retold all the time. And James Bond films shouldn't play out as an elimination game for Fleming material.

    My additional thought is it's just a matter of time before the Fleming novels are filmed and updated without reservations the way Casino Royale was in 2006. Tempus fugit.

    Part of me resists the idea of reusing Fleming titles and books that have already been adapted largely faithfully, while part of me is rather intrigued.

    If was to accept “remakes” of Bond films, then it’d only be Moonraker, and the Blofeld Trilogy. Because I think Moonraker never got the proper respect it deserved, and I’m disappointed in the handling of the Blofeld trilogy, mainly down to it being filmed out of order (TB is okay, YOLT is okay, OHMSS is amazing.) Everything else? I’m good.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,792
    Well as far as actual remake that wouldn't be Moonraker or You Only Live Twice would it, since they didn't follow much Fleming in the first place. It would more be a filming of the novels hopefully.

    I also recognize those are films made 41 or even 53 years in the past.

  • Posts: 3,327
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.
    Well the answer is classic stories are retold all the time. And James Bond films shouldn't play out as an elimination game for Fleming material.

    My additional thought is it's just a matter of time before the Fleming novels are filmed and updated without reservations the way Casino Royale was in 2006. Tempus fugit.

    Part of me resists the idea of reusing Fleming titles and books that have already been adapted largely faithfully, while part of me is rather intrigued.

    If was to accept “remakes” of Bond films, then it’d only be Moonraker, and the Blofeld Trilogy. Because I think Moonraker never got the proper respect it deserved, and I’m disappointed in the handling of the Blofeld trilogy, mainly down to it being filmed out of order (TB is okay, YOLT is okay, OHMSS is amazing.) Everything else? I’m good.

    I'd add TMWTGG to the Blofeld trilogy, as this directly continues on from where YOLT left off, and puts an end to the saga.
  • Posts: 15,117
    echo wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    mtm wrote: »
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Nothing will change; they haven't exactly been relying on them since the 70s.
    This thread has really got me thinking; What happens when they DO exhaust every bit of Fleming Material from the books. It won’t happen for a long time at this rate, but it’s an interesting question to ponder.

    Colonel Sun and then the Horowitz novels.... ;)

    And of course Colonel Sun has already been used a couple of times.

    I’m not too sure about that. Glen’s run from 81-89 all heavily adapted the short stories, or at least borrowed elements from them.

    They didn't need to though. The first ten minutes of Daylights, yes; after that it's totally original. They've shown that they're perfectly capable of writing stuff without Fleming, the question of 'what will they do when they exhaust Fleming' is answered by 'the same thing they've been doing for forty years'.
    Goldeneye took the plot structure of the Moonraker novel, and reworked it into what it became. As did DAD to an extent.

    That's a bit of a stretch regarding GoldenEye, I think it's probably more coincidence than anything. Bond stories aren't hugely original or diverse themselves so they do tend to repeat naturally.


    You’re right, they didn’t need too, but I think after how excessive TSWLM and MR were, it was probably for the best to try and incorporate some element of Fleming.

    Regarding Goldeneye, maybe I’m reading too much into it, but I’ve found Trevelyns motivation similar to that of Drax’s from the book. But that’s about it, kind of Barebones really.

    "The target is London."

    And let's not forget Trevelyan's burned face.
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