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  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2018 Posts: 17,753
    bondjames wrote: »
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    Watched the last third of Moonraker today and was very surprised to see the first time, that it is raining in Russia! (When General Gogol is at the phone with the guys from the U.S.., you can spot the rain through the window, it is somewhere around 1h40 in the movie). Is this the first time in a bond movie,that it is raining?? I think the others are CR and QoS...
    I think it rains in SF (M flat scene) and also in OHMSS (Gumbold). There could be more instances but those are the ones that come to mind.
    --

    Upon a viewing of DAF last night I realized that Tiffany's predicament towards the end of the film is very similar to Mary Goodnight's in TMWTGG. They both get shoved into a car and then taken to the villain's HQ, where they spend their time parading around and lounging about in a bikini until Bond arrives to save them.

    Rain in SF, I forgot an obvious one there. But I don't think that it is raining in OHMSS. However the street looks a bit wet when Gumbold returns to his office.
    @goldenswissroyale it's raining in OHMSS as Draco's Rolls Royce pulls up outside Gumbold's office (first 25 seconds or so of this clip).

    Only mentioned it a few moths ago, but that scene is one of my all time favourite Bond scenes (and movies in general actually). A prime example of tension and drama without the big action set pieces. Also, this little detail makes me laugh every time I watch OHMSS:

    BjNNWJBIAAA_0yB.jpg
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    NicNac wrote: »
    Very odd. In those opening seconds of the OHMSS clip, its clearly wet, the car's wipers are going, yet no one on the street appears to be dressed against rain. No raincoats, hats or umbrellas.

    There are both umbrellas and a raincoat.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    NicNac wrote: »
    Very odd. In those opening seconds of the OHMSS clip, its clearly wet, the car's wipers are going, yet no one on the street appears to be dressed against rain. No raincoats, hats or umbrellas.

    There are both umbrellas and a raincoat.

    Now then, indeed there is an umbrella which is being carried in the very first shot. I would stand corrected, but I'm sitting down
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    One umbrella up and one carried folded, plus a woman with a raincoat.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I noticed something today upon a viewing of GE that should have been obvious to me before but somehow wasn't. Bond mentions to Zukovsky that he extended him a professional courtesy when he shot his knee all those years earlier without killing him. We don't know the context of what occurred, but it's clear that there was some skill in that shot, which saved the Russian from a potentially worse fate.

    I realized that Zukovksy, with his dying shot in TWINE, extended a similar courtesy to Bond by skillfully shooting the restraints (in this case without hitting Bond), allowing him to overpower Elektra.

    And further beyond that: technically, if Bond hadn't shot him all those years back, then Zukovsky never would've had the cane gun to remove Bond's restraint. So by shooting him, Bond saved his own ass years later.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    What goes around comes around. ;)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Only mentioned it a few moths ago, but that scene is one of my all time favourite Bond scenes (and movies in general actually). A prime example of tension and drama without the big action set pieces. Also, this little detail makes me laugh every time I watch OHMSS:

    BjNNWJBIAAA_0yB.jpg
    It's a great scene, and Barry's scoring of it is the icing on the cake.
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I noticed something today upon a viewing of GE that should have been obvious to me before but somehow wasn't. Bond mentions to Zukovsky that he extended him a professional courtesy when he shot his knee all those years earlier without killing him. We don't know the context of what occurred, but it's clear that there was some skill in that shot, which saved the Russian from a potentially worse fate.

    I realized that Zukovksy, with his dying shot in TWINE, extended a similar courtesy to Bond by skillfully shooting the restraints (in this case without hitting Bond), allowing him to overpower Elektra.

    And further beyond that: technically, if Bond hadn't shot him all those years back, then Zukovsky never would've had the cane gun to remove Bond's restraint. So by shooting him, Bond saved his own ass years later.
    Great catch.
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    What goes around comes around. ;)
    Indeed. The look on Bond's face as he anxiously hoped for the best and his subsequent relief after the restraints are hit is classic. One of Brosnan's better moments in TWINE imho.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2018 Posts: 17,753
    bondjames wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Only mentioned it a few moths ago, but that scene is one of my all time favourite Bond scenes (and movies in general actually). A prime example of tension and drama without the big action set pieces. Also, this little detail makes me laugh every time I watch OHMSS:

    BjNNWJBIAAA_0yB.jpg
    It's a great scene, and Barry's scoring of it is the icing on the cake.

    Very much so! A good example of Barry's ability to deliver great tunes even for these "minor" scenes.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    Watched the last third of Moonraker today and was very surprised to see the first time, that it is raining in Russia! (When General Gogol is at the phone with the guys from the U.S.., you can spot the rain through the window, it is somewhere around 1h40 in the movie). Is this the first time in a bond movie,that it is raining?? I think the others are CR and QoS...
    I think it rains in SF (M flat scene) and also in OHMSS (Gumbold). There could be more instances but those are the ones that come to mind.
    --

    Upon a viewing of DAF last night I realized that Tiffany's predicament towards the end of the film is very similar to Mary Goodnight's in TMWTGG. They both get shoved into a car and then taken to the villain's HQ, where they spend their time parading around and lounging about in a bikini until Bond arrives to save them.

    Rain in SF, I forgot an obvious one there. But I don't think that it is raining in OHMSS. However the street looks a bit wet when Gumbold returns to his office.
    @goldenswissroyale it's raining in OHMSS as Draco's Rolls Royce pulls up outside Gumbold's office (first 25 seconds or so of this clip).

    Only mentioned it a few moths ago, but that scene is one of my all time favourite Bond scenes (and movies in general actually). A prime example of tension and drama without the big action set pieces. Also, this little detail makes me laugh every time I watch OHMSS:

    BjNNWJBIAAA_0yB.jpg

    Those little touches are what makes Bond films special. I am amused wondering if Gumbold has that magazine in his waiting room. Maybe things were different over there as far as acceptable reading material goes.

    Or maybe he gets his Playboy delivered to the office to keep his wife from catching on to his reading preferences. It's also fun to imagine Gumbold's reaction to finding the centerfold missing.

    See how that little throwaway moment can lead to so many other amusing thoughts? That's part of why it's fun being a Bond fan.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    Watched the last third of Moonraker today and was very surprised to see the first time, that it is raining in Russia! (When General Gogol is at the phone with the guys from the U.S.., you can spot the rain through the window, it is somewhere around 1h40 in the movie). Is this the first time in a bond movie,that it is raining?? I think the others are CR and QoS...
    I think it rains in SF (M flat scene) and also in OHMSS (Gumbold). There could be more instances but those are the ones that come to mind.
    --

    Upon a viewing of DAF last night I realized that Tiffany's predicament towards the end of the film is very similar to Mary Goodnight's in TMWTGG. They both get shoved into a car and then taken to the villain's HQ, where they spend their time parading around and lounging about in a bikini until Bond arrives to save them.

    Rain in SF, I forgot an obvious one there. But I don't think that it is raining in OHMSS. However the street looks a bit wet when Gumbold returns to his office.
    @goldenswissroyale it's raining in OHMSS as Draco's Rolls Royce pulls up outside Gumbold's office (first 25 seconds or so of this clip).

    Only mentioned it a few moths ago, but that scene is one of my all time favourite Bond scenes (and movies in general actually). A prime example of tension and drama without the big action set pieces. Also, this little detail makes me laugh every time I watch OHMSS:

    BjNNWJBIAAA_0yB.jpg

    Those little touches are what makes Bond films special. I am amused wondering if Gumbold has that magazine in his waiting room. Maybe things were different over there as far as acceptable reading material goes.

    Or maybe he gets his Playboy delivered to the office to keep his wife from catching on to his reading preferences. It's also fun to imagine Gumbold's reaction to finding the centerfold missing.

    See how that little throwaway moment can lead to so many other amusing thoughts? That's part of why it's fun being a Bond fan.

    Haha, I've wondered about the same thing! Gumbold didn't look the type to have a magazine like Playboy laying around either, which makes the scene quite amusing. Playboy might have been a different kind of magazine back then of course – maybe closer to GQ or Esquire?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Playboy might have been a different kind of magazine back then of course – maybe closer to GQ or Esquire?
    I can't say I know how Playboy is today...during my, uh, formative years it surely was far tamer than, say Penthouse. But I remember as a trainee lawyer in the mid-80s, my group visited the "Criminal Museum", a collection of corpora delicti kept by the Hamburg police, which included the likes of an axe serial murderer Fritz Honka used to kill several women, a roulette table manipulated to cheat on players, an animated porn movie called "Rammel der Hase" (roughly, "A Rabbit (or hare) called Screw")...and a 1968 or so Playboy edition that at the time was put on the "index" (a list of forbidden publications) because the centerfold was NOT tanned where her panties used to be and as such emphasised her, uhm, delicate areas, which made it pornographic at the time. That certainly never happened again in the last fifty years.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2018 Posts: 17,753
    j_w_pepper wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    Playboy might have been a different kind of magazine back then of course – maybe closer to GQ or Esquire?
    I can't say I know how Playboy is today...during my, uh, formative years it surely was far tamer than, say Penthouse. But I remember as a trainee lawyer in the mid-80s, my group visited the "Criminal Museum", a collection of corpora delicti kept by the Hamburg police, which included the likes of an axe serial murderer Fritz Honka used to kill several women, a roulette table manipulated to cheat on players, an animated porn movie called "Rammel der Hase" (roughly, "A Rabbit (or hare) called Screw")...and a 1968 or so Playboy edition that at the time was put on the "index" (a list of forbidden publications) because the centerfold was NOT tanned where her panties used to be and as such emphasised her, uhm, delicate areas, which made it pornographic at the time. That certainly never happened again in the last fifty years.

    Don't know much about Playboy anno 2018 either, but wasn't there talk about the magazine making a shift to less nudity and more "regular" content, a few years ago?

    Interesting story re. the "Criminal Museum". Different times back in the 60's I guess!
  • BT3366BT3366
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    Not an expert on the subject, but I do think Playboy was trying to move away from the naked girl focus since the rise of the Internet made that subject so much more accessible, and as someone else mentioned publications with so much more in that area and did try to make its essays, interviews and stories the focal point. I've said for years - to a lot of eye-rolling from people - that Playboy usually featured great writing from a lot of excellent writers, particularly the interviews.

    Any Bond fan who hasn't read it owes it to themselves to read the Sean Connery interview from the December 1965 issue. Supposedly that was the only publication he'd grant a full-length interview to, which says a lot about its literary reputation. It also included the comments that would haunt him the rest of his days about his attitude toward slapping.

    I also think it was the mainstream success of magazines like Maxim and the like that made Playboy even more passé as the Playboy lifestyle seemed like such a throwback to an earlier time. That said, I think I would hurl if I ever saw Bond glance at Maxim or something like it while on a mission, if they ever do a mission-based film again, that is.
  • ResurrectionResurrection Kolkata, India
    edited November 2018 Posts: 2,541
    One thing i saw many times in Dr no but never noticed before - Sylvia left and right eyebrows moving upward and downward differently which makes me laugh Everytime I see it now
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    edited November 2018 Posts: 17,753
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Not an expert on the subject, but I do think Playboy was trying to move away from the naked girl focus since the rise of the Internet made that subject so much more accessible, and as someone else mentioned publications with so much more in that area and did try to make its essays, interviews and stories the focal point. I've said for years - to a lot of eye-rolling from people - that Playboy usually featured great writing from a lot of excellent writers, particularly the interviews.

    Good point. With the subject more accessible, even familiar brands like Playboy will probably have to change up their business model to stay relevant. Having a legacy of more than just nudes helps, of course.
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Any Bond fan who hasn't read it owes it to themselves to read the Sean Connery interview from the December 1965 issue. Supposedly that was the only publication he'd grant a full-length interview to, which says a lot about its literary reputation. It also included the comments that would haunt him the rest of his days about his attitude toward slapping.

    I also think it was the mainstream success of magazines like Maxim and the like that made Playboy even more passé as the Playboy lifestyle seemed like such a throwback to an earlier time. That said, I think I would hurl if I ever saw Bond glance at Maxim or something like it while on a mission, if they ever do a mission-based film again, that is.

    Have actually never read that Connery interview. Is it available online somewhere?

    Guess there's a fine line in what we can see Bond reading, that's for sure. A Bond reading Playboy would probably be just a fun little thing – like in OHMSS. Him reading Maxim or a similar publication would probably not be well-received. Then again, Bond reading any mens magazines on film today, will probably just be fuel to the debate about Bond being a misogynist, etc…
    Birdleson wrote: »
    PLAYBOY in the ‘60s and ‘70s (when I was growing up) was always chock full of naked ladies, but the poses were far less extreme than they would later become. There were also many articles “relevant” to the life of the free bachelor. Fleming even published a few short stories in early PLAYBOY.

    Good point. re. Fleming. The Hildebrand Rarity was one of them, wasn't it?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Not an expert on the subject, but I do think Playboy was trying to move away from the naked girl focus since the rise of the Internet made that subject so much more accessible, and as someone else mentioned publications with so much more in that area and did try to make its essays, interviews and stories the focal point. I've said for years - to a lot of eye-rolling from people - that Playboy usually featured great writing from a lot of excellent writers, particularly the interviews.

    Good point. With the subject more accessible, even familiar brands like Playboy will probably have to change up their business model to stay relevant. Having a legacy of more than just nudes helps, of course.
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Any Bond fan who hasn't read it owes it to themselves to read the Sean Connery interview from the December 1965 issue. Supposedly that was the only publication he'd grant a full-length interview to, which says a lot about its literary reputation. It also included the comments that would haunt him the rest of his days about his attitude toward slapping.

    I also think it was the mainstream success of magazines like Maxim and the like that made Playboy even more passé as the Playboy lifestyle seemed like such a throwback to an earlier time. That said, I think I would hurl if I ever saw Bond glance at Maxim or something like it while on a mission, if they ever do a mission-based film again, that is.

    Have actually never read that Connery interview. Is it available online somewhere?

    Guess there's a fine line in what we can see Bond reading, that's for sure. A Bond reading Playboy would probably be just a fun little thing – like in OHMSS. Him reading Maxim or a similar publication would probably not be well-received. Then again, Bond reading any mens magazines on film today, will probably just be fuel to the debate about Bond being a misogynist, etc…
    Birdleson wrote: »
    PLAYBOY in the ‘60s and ‘70s (when I was growing up) was always chock full of naked ladies, but the poses were far less extreme than they would later become. There were also many articles “relevant” to the life of the free bachelor. Fleming even published a few short stories in early PLAYBOY.

    Good point. re. Fleming. The Hildebrand Rarity was one of them, wasn't it?

    It was, as was Octopussy, and his final three novels were serialized there.
  • Tokoloshe2Tokoloshe2 Northern Ireland
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    Gumbold actor James Bree was gay, which adds a layer of comic irony.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Not an expert on the subject, but I do think Playboy was trying to move away from the naked girl focus since the rise of the Internet made that subject so much more accessible, and as someone else mentioned publications with so much more in that area and did try to make its essays, interviews and stories the focal point. I've said for years - to a lot of eye-rolling from people - that Playboy usually featured great writing from a lot of excellent writers, particularly the interviews.

    Good point. With the subject more accessible, even familiar brands like Playboy will probably have to change up their business model to stay relevant. Having a legacy of more than just nudes helps, of course.
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Any Bond fan who hasn't read it owes it to themselves to read the Sean Connery interview from the December 1965 issue. Supposedly that was the only publication he'd grant a full-length interview to, which says a lot about its literary reputation. It also included the comments that would haunt him the rest of his days about his attitude toward slapping.

    I also think it was the mainstream success of magazines like Maxim and the like that made Playboy even more passé as the Playboy lifestyle seemed like such a throwback to an earlier time. That said, I think I would hurl if I ever saw Bond glance at Maxim or something like it while on a mission, if they ever do a mission-based film again, that is.

    Have actually never read that Connery interview. Is it available online somewhere?

    Guess there's a fine line in what we can see Bond reading, that's for sure. A Bond reading Playboy would probably be just a fun little thing – like in OHMSS. Him reading Maxim or a similar publication would probably not be well-received. Then again, Bond reading any mens magazines on film today, will probably just be fuel to the debate about Bond being a misogynist, etc…
    Birdleson wrote: »
    PLAYBOY in the ‘60s and ‘70s (when I was growing up) was always chock full of naked ladies, but the poses were far less extreme than they would later become. There were also many articles “relevant” to the life of the free bachelor. Fleming even published a few short stories in early PLAYBOY.

    Good point. re. Fleming. The Hildebrand Rarity was one of them, wasn't it?

    It was, as was Octopussy, and his final three novels were serialized there.

    Knew some of his writing was published in Playboy, but that's quite a lot!
    Tokoloshe2 wrote: »
    Gumbold actor James Bree was gay, which adds a layer of comic irony.

    Did not know that. An added layer of comic irony, for sure.
  • BT3366BT3366
    Posts: 1,917
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Any Bond fan who hasn't read it owes it to themselves to read the Sean Connery interview from the December 1965 issue. Supposedly that was the only publication he'd grant a full-length interview to, which says a lot about its literary reputation. It also included the comments that would haunt him the rest of his days about his attitude toward slapping.

    I also think it was the mainstream success of magazines like Maxim and the like that made Playboy even more passé as the Playboy lifestyle seemed like such a throwback to an earlier time. That said, I think I would hurl if I ever saw Bond glance at Maxim or something like it while on a mission, if they ever do a mission-based film again, that is.

    Have actually never read that Connery interview. Is it available online somewhere?

    I actually found an online link here: http://www.the007dossier.com/007dossier/post/2013/05/04/Playboy-Interview-Sean-Connery-1965
  • barryt007barryt007
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    I didn't know Kate Bush turned down the offer to sing the title song to MR ?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    I didn't know Kate Bush turned down the offer to sing the title song to MR ?

    Both she and Frank Sinatra were offered the job. Sinatra had also been offered YOLT, but suggested his daughter.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I didn't know Kate Bush turned down the offer to sing the title song to MR ?

    Both she and Frank Sinatra were offered the job. Sinatra had also been offered YOLT, but suggested his daughter.

    Well well well,I didn't know Sinatra was offered MR as well.
    I knew about the YOLT situation...interesting.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    Didn’t Sinatra have some sort of a fall out with one of the key people that eliminated his chances of performing the MR song?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I didn't know Kate Bush turned down the offer to sing the title song to MR ?

    Both she and Frank Sinatra were offered the job. Sinatra had also been offered YOLT, but suggested his daughter.

    Well well well,I didn't know Sinatra was offered MR as well.
    I knew about the YOLT situation...interesting.

    Since they are both Gilbert films, could it be that Gilbert was a fan?
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Thunderfinger wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    I didn't know Kate Bush turned down the offer to sing the title song to MR ?

    Both she and Frank Sinatra were offered the job. Sinatra had also been offered YOLT, but suggested his daughter.

    Well well well,I didn't know Sinatra was offered MR as well.
    I knew about the YOLT situation...interesting.

    Since they are both Gilbert films, could it be that Gilbert was a fan?

    That's a possibility for sure !
  • Mathis1Mathis1
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    Only recently heard that it is Peter Hunt himself that is the figure reflected in the nameplate in the opening shot of OHMSS.
  • TorgeirtrapTorgeirtrap
    Posts: 17,753
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Torgeirtrap wrote: »
    BT3366 wrote: »
    Any Bond fan who hasn't read it owes it to themselves to read the Sean Connery interview from the December 1965 issue. Supposedly that was the only publication he'd grant a full-length interview to, which says a lot about its literary reputation. It also included the comments that would haunt him the rest of his days about his attitude toward slapping.

    I also think it was the mainstream success of magazines like Maxim and the like that made Playboy even more passé as the Playboy lifestyle seemed like such a throwback to an earlier time. That said, I think I would hurl if I ever saw Bond glance at Maxim or something like it while on a mission, if they ever do a mission-based film again, that is.

    Have actually never read that Connery interview. Is it available online somewhere?

    I actually found an online link here: http://www.the007dossier.com/007dossier/post/2013/05/04/Playboy-Interview-Sean-Connery-1965

    Thanks, @BT3366! I have it bookmarked for reading later tonight :-)
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    The difference between playboy an Maxim is: Playboy was a magazine for the educated, progressive thinking bachelor. Maxim is a magazine full of instructions on how to become such a bachelor, obviously making it's purpose impossible by existing.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2018 Posts: 6,288
    goldenswissroyale wrote: »
    Watched the last third of Moonraker today and was very surprised to see the first time, that it is raining in Russia! (When General Gogol is at the phone with the guys from the U.S.., you can spot the rain through the window, it is somewhere around 1h40 in the movie). Is this the first time in a bond movie,that it is raining?? I think the others are CR and QoS...

    It's raining in Bern in OHMSS. ;)
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Didn’t Sinatra have some sort of a fall out with one of the key people that eliminated his chances of performing the MR song?

    It's easy to hear MR in Sinatra's voice.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    Didn’t Sinatra have some sort of a fall out with one of the key people that eliminated his chances of performing the MR song?

    Did he? Perhaps he was only considered, but not really offered the job. Another that was offered the theme job was Johnny Mathis, before Kate Bush. Kate Bush didn t have the time due to touring obligations.
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