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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    echo wrote: »
    Fields is "in the field."

    I was thinking Oil Fields.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    I like the Graves suggestion.

    With Fields, like you I recognized the Oil Fields connection. Called out as a track on David Arnold's score and a great example of Bond's reaction to the latest sacrificial lamb.

    It's not all Strawberries. youtu.be/Gj4a-feJCL4
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    How exactly does the name "Graves" allude to two personalities, or a villain who becomes two people? All it conjures for me are images of death, or graveyards, to be more specific. Not that I'm putting into question the scriptwriting genius of DAD. I'd never...

    I don't see the "Fields" connection either, as she's not a field agent. Just an errand girl, really. I can't believe they gave her the first name "Strawberry," though. I thought we left that tripe in the Brosnan era.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    It connotes two (or more) deaths. Die another day and all.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Fields wasn't a field agent but OO7 brought her along. It was the death of her.

    Colonel Moon hated the West (US and UK) for their actions since WWII and so struck out against them in vengeance.

    But as we know,
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  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Well, Fields was only ordered by MI6 to get Bond back to London. He didn't want her there at all, as he knew who he was dealing with and the dangers posed by letting anyone else aid him on his mission. Then he gets blamed for what happens to her. What the hell is up with that?! :-??
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Well, Fields was only ordered by MI6 to get Bond back to London. He didn't want her there at all, as he knew who he was dealing with and the dangers posed by letting anyone else aid him on his mission. Then he gets blamed for what happens to her. What the hell is up with that?! :-??

    The blame comes from the fact that she wouldn't have died if Bond didn't continue to ignore his superiors and had just come in for a debrief. Still, they should've known sending a sexy redhead Bond's way wouldn't have gone over swimmingly.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    "I don't much care for red headsh, terrible temper." ;)
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    0BradyM0Bondfanatic7 wrote: »
    Well, Fields was only ordered by MI6 to get Bond back to London. He didn't want her there at all, as he knew who he was dealing with and the dangers posed by letting anyone else aid him on his mission. Then he gets blamed for what happens to her. What the hell is up with that?! :-??

    The blame comes from the fact that she wouldn't have died if Bond didn't continue to ignore his superiors and had just come in for a debrief. Still, they should've known sending a sexy redhead Bond's way wouldn't have gone over swimmingly.

    I think this is just a case of Bond knowing what he's doing, and everyone getting in the way of him doing his job. While his government and the CIA put a hit on his head and wanted him bumped off or locked up, he was actually doing things the right way, and was making progress. Fields then comes storming in, and her action against Greene's crew by tripping up Elvis made her a target. I don't blame Bond for any of that, as he didn't ask for help, and had no reason not to be trusted.

    If I was Bond in QoS, I'd have been livid. First I lose the woman I was ready to give everything up for, and she turns out to be a traitor. After her death I have to grieve in a way that is professional while I'm still on the job, able to focus on the important things as I am hired to be. I help out MI6 by getting a huge member of the Quantum team brought in for questioning (by myself), then their failure to spot a traitor on the inside nearly gets me killed and the man I risked everything to get escapes. Afterward I'm trying to do my job, getting Greene dead to rights while uncovering the players behind Quantum, and I've got my own government and the Americans after my head because they don't trust me not to go off on a revenge mission, when I'm actually doing the exact opposite and it's their agents that are crooked (Beam, anyone?).

    It's hard to find a film in the franchise where Bond is as blockaded from doing the right thing as he is in QoS, or where he's unnecessarily hunted even though he's one of the only people with pure interests in the movie. LTK and QoS are very alike in this way, and I feel so bad for Bond throughout each because he's suffocated by robotic idiots that just get in his way.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    In TND, I just noticed that M cuts off Robinson, who was going to say that the GPS signal came from one of Carver's satellites. I know she tells Bond a little later on that she didn't want to say anything in front of the minister, but I never noticed before that Robinson almost did before she stopped him.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Murdock wrote: »
    "I don't much care for red headsh, terrible temper." ;)
    He was still getting over Fiona :-P

    In other news, agree with @Brady completely

  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Anyone else notice how Bond takes one good look at Wade's wardrobe in TND, and then nods his head in disagreement? It's a small moment, but a great one nonetheless.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    jake24 wrote: »
    Anyone else notice how Bond takes one good look at Wade's wardrobe in TND, and then nods his head in disagreement? It's a small moment, but a great one nonetheless.

    I think I caught that about a year ago for the very first time and loved it. Amazing how many viewings you can sit through before catching little moments like that.
  • jake24jake24 Sitting at your desk, kissing your lover, eating supper with your familyModerator
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    jake24 wrote: »
    Anyone else notice how Bond takes one good look at Wade's wardrobe in TND, and then nods his head in disagreement? It's a small moment, but a great one nonetheless.

    I think I caught that about a year ago for the very first time and loved it. Amazing how many viewings you can sit through before catching little moments like that.
    Totally agree. I can't believe I'm still noticing these things.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    I'm late to the party on this one, I'm sure:

    Rory Kinnear is the son of Roy Kinnear, whom I have always known from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    TripAces wrote: »
    I'm late to the party on this one, I'm sure:

    Rory Kinnear is the son of Roy Kinnear, whom I have always known from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.

    Is he ???
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    TripAces wrote: »
    I'm late to the party on this one, I'm sure:

    Rory Kinnear is the son of Roy Kinnear, whom I have always known from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
    A late great supporting actor in many films. Ironically, he starred in a short lived tv series called The Incredible Mr. Tanner. There is definitely a resemblance.
  • MrcogginsMrcoggins Following in the footsteps of Quentin Quigley.
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    Not to forget his work in the three musketeers films.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    Watching Goldfinger now. On the opening titles, are there ads for coca cola and Wrigley gum that project on Margaret Nolan towards the end of the credits?
  • j_w_pepperj_w_pepper Born on the bayou, but I now hear a new dog barkin'
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Rory Kinnear is the son of Roy Kinnear, whom I have always known from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
    I've never seen Willy Wonka, but not so awfully long ago I managed to see The Beatles'/Richard Lester's HELP! for the first time (after a paltry 51 years). And when "Algernon" appeared, I immediately thought that the guy's face looked like Tanner's. A short check with IMDb confirmed my suspicion that it was his father.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    bondjames wrote: »
    TripAces wrote: »
    I'm late to the party on this one, I'm sure:

    Rory Kinnear is the son of Roy Kinnear, whom I have always known from Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory.
    A late great supporting actor in many films. Ironically, he starred in a short lived tv series called The Incredible Mr. Tanner. There is definitely a resemblance.

    I wonder if that is why they cast Rory. I see no other reason?
  • TokolosheTokoloshe Under your bed
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    Rory's son is named Riley, clearly continuing the naming pattern!
  • shamanimalshamanimal
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    In CR, when Bond tells Vesper he wants her to wear something stunning so when she walks up to the table and kisses him, the whole room will be watching.... he's wanting Le Chiffre to experience his own feelings at the table earlier in the movie, when he wins the Aston Martin.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Yes, good catch.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    In CR, when Bond tells Vesper he wants her to wear something stunning so when she walks up to the table and kisses him, the whole room will be watching.... he's wanting Le Chiffre to experience his own feelings at the table earlier in the movie, when he wins the Aston Martin.

    A nice connection. I never thought of it that way.
  • shamanimalshamanimal
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    I just re-ran it, and he doesn't say "the whole room", he says "the player across the table from me". It's Mathis that says the whole room is watching.
    Which makes me think even more that it's very subtle and clever script-writing, as Bond was the player across the table from Le Chiffre, as he was earlier, with Demetrius.
    Casino Royale really was a massive step up in cinematic quality from what went before, wasn't it?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    It is unfair to compare CR to the Brosnan films. They cannot help that they are utter garbage.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    shamanimal wrote: »
    I just re-ran it, and he doesn't say "the whole room", he says "the player across the table from me". It's Mathis that says the whole room is watching.
    Which makes me think even more that it's very subtle and clever script-writing, as Bond was the player across the table from Le Chiffre, as he was earlier, with Demetrius.
    Casino Royale really was a massive step up in cinematic quality from what went before, wasn't it?

    It was certainly a welcomed return to how it used to be done in the Bond series, yes. More grounded, more character focused, more strong in theme and motif, clever scripting, action, etc. It deserves its place as a modern classic.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    Totally .....the Bond films were becoming so formulaic and 'by the numbers',and CR blew all that out of the water.

    A terrific Bond film...sitting at #3 on my list at the moment,but it always battles for top spot with the other 2 right up there.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Sadly, more often than not the Bond films that dare to do something different are hated or disliked, as with OHMSS in its day, Dalton's films and QoS. CR is a rare exception of an experimental film received well. Many people just want the Bond films to be the same old box ticking adventures, but I'm glad that the Craig era has dared to move outside of those borders and limitations. It was time to do something different, to hell with formula.
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