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  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    cwl007 wrote: »
    I've never noticed until watching LTK today: When Pam fires the laser camera at Bond and Q and then looks at the Polaroid picture she says "that's odd". I don't think it's her voice, it's Stacey Sutton's saying the same line when she looks at the tremor information on her computer.
    Am I right or are my ears faulty, anyone know?
    Would be a smoking gun if true!
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    bondjames wrote: »
    In MR, Bond and Manuela almost get clutched by Jaws (wearing his costume) much earlier in the Rio Carnival sequence. He's in the frame right behind them when they walk through the crowd, and makes a grab for them but misses.

    Put it in this evening, wanted to keep an eye out for this - I wouldn't say that it looks like he's grabbing them, but almost as if he's dancing to blend in with the crowd or something to that effect. You see him again mere seconds later in that final crowd shot before they enter the alley - the shot lingers for a few moments, I suppose in hopes of us noticing the tall, standout, possibly-costumed-Jaws that is, in fact, him.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    In MR, Bond and Manuela almost get clutched by Jaws (wearing his costume) much earlier in the Rio Carnival sequence. He's in the frame right behind them when they walk through the crowd, and makes a grab for them but misses.

    Put it in this evening, wanted to keep an eye out for this - I wouldn't say that it looks like he's grabbing them, but almost as if he's dancing to blend in with the crowd or something to that effect. You see him again mere seconds later in that final crowd shot before they enter the alley - the shot lingers for a few moments, I suppose in hopes of us noticing the tall, standout, possibly-costumed-Jaws that is, in fact, him.
    I was pretty sure he clumsily made a grab for the both of them while dancing right behind them in the crowd. I may have mistook what I saw because I didn't go back to check it again. Yes, definitely there is a shot of him towering over the crowd looking at them as they walk into the alley also, but I was referring to the earlier part. Regardless, I can't believe I didn't notice him before, especially given how many times I've seen this film since childhood.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Both parts (the earlier one you were mentioning, and that final, lingering shot) were brand new to me - that latter shot actually seems pretty obvious in hindsight now, can't believe I never caught it before.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I love that the Bond films will always have these quiet or subtle moments you can miss no matter how often you watch them. Goes to show how much the filmmakers thought about each scene down to every actor movement, yet we are completely ignorant to all that logistical juggling at times.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    Just finished TB.

    I noticed a few things that hadn't caught my eye before.

    1. When Dervall (strictly Angelo) is dying in the Vulcan, his watch changes several times depending on the the film angle. at some points it looks like the Breitling which Bond finally gave Domino, at other points it looks like he's wearing a dress watch with a gold face and black strap, and at other points it looks like he's wearing a diver with a stainless steel bracelet (it could be a Submariner due to the taper on the bracelet). All of this is while he's wriggling trying to get out of the chair before and after Largo cuts his air pipe.

    2. When Bond is shot at the Junkanoo, the wound mysteriously moves around from his right leg (first) to later his left leg (while he's running) to back to his right leg (when he tends to the wound in the public lavatory).

    3. Felix is seen wondering in and out of the film frame (quite conspicuously) while Bond is with Domino at lunch and then later at dinner after the casino. This is all before he meets up with Bond at room 304.

    4. People mention that Nolan is a big Bond fan, and often note that the opening scene of TDKR is inspired by the LTK PTS, as well as the OHMSS tribute in Inception. However, I don't think many mention that the Fulton Surface to Air or Skyhook Recovery system which is used in the final scene in TB is also used by Nolan to allow the Bat to escape from the Hong Kong skyscraper in TDK. I was always impressed by both scenes but never connected them before.

    5. The way in which Domino kills Largo is quite similar to how Bond kills Silva in SF. Only in this case, Bond is saved rather than M.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I think Nolan was simply inspired to use the Fulton because it was a common military tool. He could be a TB fan, but when I see the scene I don't immediately connect it to that film. Just Batman using resources, really.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    As to, number 5, SF, great save Bond.
    I'm continually amazed by how SF (as an anniversary film) is composed almost entirely of scenes that are so reminiscent of the past. I'm sure it's intentional, but it's still impressive how Mendes did this, because some scenes are immediately obvious and others aren't.

    For example, the last time I watched it, I noticed that Bond is shot while in a bulldozer like he is in CR, although in SF he is wounded. I only noticed that similarity because of a discussion I recently had with MrKissKissBangBang when I was trying to defend the CR Africa chase, which he dislikes.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @bondjames, there's a lot of great recalls in SP too. I've considered doing a retrospective essay on my Bond blog looking into how the story of the Craig films is recalled in images and dialogues throughout CR, QoS, SF and SP, but I think I'll wait until the era is officially ended to do so comprehensively.

    With how tied together and played up things are in the four of them, the movies feel like very cohesive journeys for Bond. At times it almost feels like the universe is trying to tell him things, like the talk with Vesper on the beach in CR that is repeated at times word for word with Madeleine on the train in SP. Very interesting in that way.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Yes, I noticed that as well @0BradyM0Bondfanatic7. His reboot tenure is certainly cohesive in that way as you say, and SP definitely brings everything back full circle. One can almost feel Judi's M on that bridge watching him make his decision.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    A few DAF notes.

    When Tiffany goes to Circus Circus, before she reaches the blackjack table, she passes the dealer who would give her the 'Why dont you play the water balloons' card. It's right at the start of the scene after the circus conductor gives his intro.


    I remember in the Making Of documentary, they had to reshoot one of the Mustang on its side shots because there were crowds all gathered around watching the stunt, which made it seem obviously staged. However, if you watch closely, there are many quick shots during that chase where you just see lines and hoards of people outside casinos watching the chase unfold. It makes sense, how can you empty the streets of a city that is awake around the clock. It's not like the casinos would agree to close down!

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Squares & Circles

    In SF, the MI6 headquarters are housed in a square building. Yes, there are rounded parts of the building, but the right angles are emphasized. So is the case with Silva's lair, on the island, where the old buildings are right angles, very squared off.

    In SP, MI6 is housed in a round building with a round courtyard (we see characters crossing it), and the new defense building is also round. The Spectre headquarters are in a round, hollowed out crater, where round buildings and spherical shapes are the norm.

  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
    edited March 2017 Posts: 4,584
    Mendes's tracking shot of the silver Wraith, across the desert is very similar to the tracking shot (and hood POV shot) used in Road to Perdition, as Tom hanks drives to Chicago:

    Go to the :37 mark.

  • pachazopachazo Make Your Choice
    edited March 2017 Posts: 7,314
    However, if you watch closely, there are many quick shots during that chase where you just see lines and hoards of people outside casinos watching the chase unfold. It makes sense, how can you empty the streets of a city that is awake around the clock. It's not like the casinos would agree to close down!

    Yeah, it does appear staged, but it's not entirely unrealistic as there are always people walking around in Vegas. I'm sure if there was a real police chase going on, people would look to see what was happening. Of course, nowadays everyone would be recording it on their phones.
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
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    I agree @pachazo! When watching the Making Of, I didn't think the original cut needed to be reshot. After noticing the passerby crowds this past viewing, I believe that further. It would make sense that a ton of spectators out on the town watch a police chase unfolding before their eyes.
  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    I agree @pachazo! When watching the Making Of, I didn't think the original cut needed to be reshot. After noticing the passerby crowds this past viewing, I believe that further. It would make sense that a ton of spectators out on the town watch a police chase unfolding before their eyes.

    I had the same thought.

    And the reshot is, afak, the reason for that 'changing sides' shot, which makes it far worse then people standing in the background in a busy area.
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    Always thought it would be better without the insert of them 'changing sides', it just draws attention to the fact that the shots don't match and is rather silly. Sure, the shots didn't match by explaining it away with the insert just draws attention to it.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Sloppy filmmaking in DAF.
  • BondAficionadoBondAficionado Former IMDBer
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    I never knew that the actor who played Max Kalba (Vernon Dobtcheff) in TSWLM is the same guy who plays that butler in The Last Crusade! So obvious once you know it.

    "If you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse!"

    What's interesting is the fact that two actors in the scene have played next to Moore in the James Bond films (Alison Doody and naturally, Dobtcheff).
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited March 2017 Posts: 23,883
    I never knew that the actor who played Max Kalba (Vernon Dobtcheff) in TSWLM is the same guy who plays that butler in The Last Crusade! So obvious once you know it.

    "If you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse!"

    What's interesting is the fact that two actors in the scene have played next to Moore in the James Bond films (Alison Doody and naturally, Dobtcheff).
    Don't forget Julian Glover (who also stars in The Last Crusade) as well.

    Doody coincidentally has starred with 3 Bond actors. Connery in The Last Crusade, Moore in AVTAK & most infamously Brosnan in Taffin.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    I never knew that the actor who played Max Kalba (Vernon Dobtcheff) in TSWLM is the same guy who plays that butler in The Last Crusade! So obvious once you know it.

    "If you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse!"

    What's interesting is the fact that two actors in the scene have played next to Moore in the James Bond films (Alison Doody and naturally, Dobtcheff).
    Don't forget Julian Glover as well.

    Doody coincidentally has starred with 3 Bond actors. Connery in The Last Crusade, Moore in AVTAK & most infamously Brosnan in Taffin.

    "THEN MAYBE SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE ACTED WITH BROSNAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!"

    [eases back into chair] B-)
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    I never knew that the actor who played Max Kalba (Vernon Dobtcheff) in TSWLM is the same guy who plays that butler in The Last Crusade! So obvious once you know it.

    "If you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse!"

    What's interesting is the fact that two actors in the scene have played next to Moore in the James Bond films (Alison Doody and naturally, Dobtcheff).
    Don't forget Julian Glover as well.

    Doody coincidentally has starred with 3 Bond actors. Connery in The Last Crusade, Moore in AVTAK & most infamously Brosnan in Taffin.

    "THEN MAYBE SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE ACTED WITH BROSNAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!"

    [eases back into chair] B-)
    Haha.

    Seriously, I wish she was cast as a main Bond girl in her prime. She was definitely premier Bond material in the late 80s when she did Indy.

    Which just got me thinking: Indy and the Last Crusade gives off far more classy Bondian vibes than LTK (released in the same year) does, at least imho. That should never happen again.
  • bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I never knew that the actor who played Max Kalba (Vernon Dobtcheff) in TSWLM is the same guy who plays that butler in The Last Crusade! So obvious once you know it.

    "If you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse!"

    What's interesting is the fact that two actors in the scene have played next to Moore in the James Bond films (Alison Doody and naturally, Dobtcheff).
    Don't forget Julian Glover as well.

    Doody coincidentally has starred with 3 Bond actors. Connery in The Last Crusade, Moore in AVTAK & most infamously Brosnan in Taffin.

    "THEN MAYBE SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE ACTED WITH BROSNAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!"

    [eases back into chair] B-)
    Haha.

    Seriously, I wish she was cast as a main Bond girl in her prime. She was definitely premier Bond material in the late 80s when she did Indy.

    Which just got me thinking: Indy and the Last Crusade gives off far more classy Bondian vibes than LTK (released in the same year) does, at least imho. That should never happen again.

    True. LTK still remains one of my favorite Bond films, but Last Crusade has class, humor, and high adventure in spades. It's just a great film all around. I salivate over the thought of Spielberg directing Bond through the 80s.

    More recently, however, Rogue Nation dominated Spectre in the stunts and action sequences department. I didn't much care for the characters or the story in M:I-RN to be honest, but I sure had a great time over the course of those two hours. Racing onto the wing of the departing plane, shootout at the opera, diving into the Torus, that insane motorcycle chase. Man, showing how it's done...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I never knew that the actor who played Max Kalba (Vernon Dobtcheff) in TSWLM is the same guy who plays that butler in The Last Crusade! So obvious once you know it.

    "If you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse!"

    What's interesting is the fact that two actors in the scene have played next to Moore in the James Bond films (Alison Doody and naturally, Dobtcheff).
    Don't forget Julian Glover as well.

    Doody coincidentally has starred with 3 Bond actors. Connery in The Last Crusade, Moore in AVTAK & most infamously Brosnan in Taffin.

    "THEN MAYBE SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE ACTED WITH BROSNAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!"

    [eases back into chair] B-)
    Haha.

    Seriously, I wish she was cast as a main Bond girl in her prime. She was definitely premier Bond material in the late 80s when she did Indy.

    Which just got me thinking: Indy and the Last Crusade gives off far more classy Bondian vibes than LTK (released in the same year) does, at least imho. That should never happen again.

    True. LTK still remains one of my favorite Bond films, but Last Crusade has class, humor, and high adventure in spades. It's just a great film all around. I salivate over the thought of Spielberg directing Bond through the 80s.

    More recently, however, Rogue Nation dominated Spectre in the stunts and action sequences department. I didn't much care for the characters or the story in M:I-RN to be honest, but I sure had a great time over the course of those two hours. Racing onto the wing of the departing plane, shootout at the opera, diving into the Torus, that insane motorcycle chase. Man, showing how it's done...
    I fully agree. I didn't want to mention it because I'd surely upset the EON apologists, but for me, MI-RN completely outclassed SP in many ways, despite the story being somewhat shallow. It gave off oodles of old school Bondian charm without descending into cliche, and Cruise doesn't look half bad in a tux (either here or in MI-GP). That opera scene is absolutely brilliant - I just love it!
  • bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    I never knew that the actor who played Max Kalba (Vernon Dobtcheff) in TSWLM is the same guy who plays that butler in The Last Crusade! So obvious once you know it.

    "If you are a Scottish lord, then I am Mickey Mouse!"

    What's interesting is the fact that two actors in the scene have played next to Moore in the James Bond films (Alison Doody and naturally, Dobtcheff).
    Don't forget Julian Glover as well.

    Doody coincidentally has starred with 3 Bond actors. Connery in The Last Crusade, Moore in AVTAK & most infamously Brosnan in Taffin.

    "THEN MAYBE SHE SHOULDN'T HAVE ACTED WITH BROSNAAAAAAAAAAAAN!!!"

    [eases back into chair] B-)
    Haha.

    Seriously, I wish she was cast as a main Bond girl in her prime. She was definitely premier Bond material in the late 80s when she did Indy.

    Which just got me thinking: Indy and the Last Crusade gives off far more classy Bondian vibes than LTK (released in the same year) does, at least imho. That should never happen again.

    True. LTK still remains one of my favorite Bond films, but Last Crusade has class, humor, and high adventure in spades. It's just a great film all around. I salivate over the thought of Spielberg directing Bond through the 80s.

    More recently, however, Rogue Nation dominated Spectre in the stunts and action sequences department. I didn't much care for the characters or the story in M:I-RN to be honest, but I sure had a great time over the course of those two hours. Racing onto the wing of the departing plane, shootout at the opera, diving into the Torus, that insane motorcycle chase. Man, showing how it's done...
    I fully agree. I didn't want to mention it because I'd surely upset the EON apologists, but for me, MI-RN completely outclassed SP in many ways, despite the story being somewhat shallow. It gave off oodles of old school Bondian charm without descending into cliche, and Cruise doesn't look half bad in a tux (either here or in MI-GP). That opera scene is absolutely brilliant - I just love it!

    The opera scene really was a thing of beauty. Even though it was quite obviously lifted from Quantum of Solace, they did such a remarkable job choreographing, filming, and editing it that I didn't even care. Between Ghost Protocol and Rogue Nation, the M:I films have indeed been channeling classic Bond more and more—in glamor, in wit, in girls, in globe-trotting, in action sequences, in limit-testing stuntwork. The only areas where they've really been letting me down have been in their stories and their third acts, which just haven't been delivering. But in terms of the overall approach, the overall style, that is where I want Bond films to move next. That is the right way to channel classic Bond. By working from the golden recipe with fresh ingredients, not by shaking in all the old ingredients with no recipe at all. ;)
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    Not relevant to the thread chaps.
    Let's get back on track please.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    In The Man With The Golden Gun when Bond is being pursued by the kung-fu gang in the boat. When Bond slices the boat in half, the boat appears to start breaking momentarily before Bond gets to it.
  • NicNacNicNac Administrator, Moderator
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    Oh great, now I've got to get the dvd out to check that Benny ;)
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    edited April 2017 Posts: 3,369
    In LALD when Bond goes to Harlem, he is in the booth at the Fillet of Soul. Before he takes a 'nasty turn' he gives the waiter some money for information. The waiter takes the money as Bond is revolved into Mr. Big's hideout. However, once on the other side, it appears Bond still has the bill and pockets it. Am I missing something!?!?
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    @MooseWithFleas, it's been a while since I last watched LALD, but maybe Bond pulled out a load of bills, removed the cost to give to the waiter, then pocketed what was left?
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