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i dont think it's wrong to talk about what could happen down the road... where it becomes a bit ridiculous is when people claim "it's going to happen"... we all know Craig is going to bow out at some point (still adamantly maintaining that until we hear otherwise, Craig will be back for Bond 25, per his contract), there is just a difference between thinking it will happen after SP, and being certain it will happen after SP - because so and so said so.... i usually don't, and never have put much faith and stock in the rumor mill - especially in the internet age, anybody can make up anything, post it to a website - and suddenly they become "a source".... so i'll believe it when i see it, which usually means when a more credible source than the ol' "someone who refuses to share his name who worked on set." speaks about it
@smitty, yes, Connery definitely looked about 10 years older than he was, both when he started and when he finished. Moore looked younger than he was at the start - but then continued too long for sure. Anyway, since those were different times, expectations physically are different, and gaps between movies longer, I don't think what age actors were in previous decades matters here. The only reasonably (IMO) comparable case would be Craig, and I would expect an actor roughly around the same age he was. I assume EON would want a new guy for well over a decade, to do 4 or 5 movies maybe. Starting at under 40 would make sense for sure. I don't think press actually cares what would be likely, it's just general blah-blah...
Hmm. Fascinating. Really. I'm sooooo curious.
Btw, sometimes I wonder how any movies ever actually get made at all. And some of them are actually good, too! Pretty amazing... :))
What got me was @ColonelSun piping in and saying he has "close sources" and there has been discussion about it. If you don't want to believe it don't, and if you don't want to talk about it @Germanlady, don't. But please do not come in here and tell us all we are being disrespectful (to who or what exactly? Craig? One discussion on the internet and he will get hurt? Go check out CraigIsNotBond.com or whatever and see how bad it can get).
I respect @Haserot 's posts because he's at least making an argument. Don't just troll our discussion with threats, slander, and label our discussions and arguments, how did you put it @Germanlady...
Oh yea, you labeled it:
Your ill-fated attempts at shutting down this discussion simply because you don't want to talk about your Danny leaving is sad. Really.
You've tiptoed quite perfectly, I just fear where someone else might take it.
We all have to just sit back and see what happens, which would be the decent tbing to do. But what means decent, when you have some juicy rumors to indulge in.
a Bond every other year was the norm for a long time... from TSWLM thru LTK, there was a Bond film every other year - even during Broz's run until the 2 year gap between TWINE and DAD, meaning..
1977 - TSWLM
1978
1979 - MR
1980
1981 - FYEO
1982
1983 - OP
1984
1985 - AVTAK
1986
1987 - TLD
1988
1989 - LTK
thats what a Bond film every other year looks like.. that means 7 films in 14 years... every 2 years looks like
1999 - TWINE
2000
2001
2002 - DAD
or
2012 - SF
2013
2014
2015 - SP
2016
2017
2018 - (B25??)
so for example, lets just say Bale took over as Bond in SF at the age of 44, he'd be 50 by the time Bond 25 was coming out.. and if 50 is the bow out age, then he'd most likely be done after that film, maybe coming back for B26 at the age of 53 - maybe...... whereas, if Hardy was to have to taken over as Bond in SF at the age of 42, he'd be 48 for Bond 25, making coming back for a 4th film (B26) more of a realistic opportunity at the age 50-51... thats what i mean..
actually, now that i look at it... every 2 years is probably the wrong choice of words lol... there is a 2 year gap between films, but every 2 years is basically every other year.. you're right on that one @Tuulia lol... so, what i was meaning to say then is every 3 years - because the 3rd year would be the year the film opens.
it's all up to the producers and what they want to do... they originally wanted CR and QOS back to back years, but lack of finding a director (also lack of a completed script) forced their hand, and had they not rushed and actually waited until after the writer's strike (which wasnt that long), QOS might have turned out much better with Haggis' full polish work being done on it... but they rushed, and they wanted to capitalize on the success of CR...
They also wanted SF to be out in 2011, but the MGM financial fiasco handcuffed them..
And i believe there was talk about wanting SP out for 2014, but they really wanted Mendes back, so they had to wait which meant pushing it to 2015..
but MGW has expressed numerous times of how gargantuan these movies are, and how much it takes to make them, and make them good (or good as they can), and how it takes more time than it used to... i think ideally EON (and even MGM) would love to go back to a every other year schedule, but it seems now that EON are willing to wait if it means getting the right people they want, and getting the story they want.
I still do not know what we are disrespecting in discussing a rumor from two sources, one very credible on the site. It you can not argue objectively, don't. Unfortunately this thread is not for you, and I'm glad you can understand that Germanlady. (I won't directly @ mention you so you don't have to return).
Moving on.. perhaps we can change the discussion to how the Bond films have ballooned too big and now seem out of control? Seems controversial enough.. thoughts @smitty @haserot ?
QOS (2008) - $200 million production budget
SF (2012) - $200 million production budget
SP (2015) - $300+ million production budget
just posted those numbers in case anyone was curious...
I don't know where to start... i mean, we can look at actors' salaries, and what it costs to keep names like Fiennes and Waltz around and happy - not to mention 007 himself, which i am sure he sees a healthy cut of that budgetary pie.. at the end of the day, you are probably looking at close to $75-$90 million spent just on the cast alone..
i've read a couple articles which stated that Sony's issues with the budget were over things they felt could be cut back on or removed - ie: reducing the number of train cars in an action sequence - a request vetoed by EON.. another was removing rain from the film's climax - which we've seen they are doing, by opting to go with CGI rain instead of using practical rain towers for shots...
I just think the scale of this film + the locations planned (not to mention one of them meant circumventing a new gun law - which probably cost a cool amount of money on that alone) + set pieces probably pushed the limit more than what Sony was anticipating, and probably more than even EON had anticipated... i would love to know the financial specifics of this film, and what exactly was spent on what - because without that, i can't rightly accuse EON of overspending or Sony of being cheap, know what i mean... i think the expected price tag for SP was in the neighborhood of $250 million (which is about standard these days for your big budget hollywood action films) - would like to know where the $50+ million is going to... the money will be on the screen for sure, EON always sees to it that it is.....
but between that, script issues, and back and forth bickering between the production team and the studio, a documentary about the production of this film would be fascinating.
that would certainly be a game changer for sure...
but i anticipate it being able to make back the $600 million or so for it to be deemed a financial success... i think it has a chance to eclipse the billion mark, but i will play it safe and say $900 million... i will actually be shocked if it makes less than that.
there always seems to be periods of spy films that come and go... but Bond is truly an icon that'll last a long time, i have no fear that he'll suddenly go away..
in terms of the press... they'll write what they write, doesn't mean half of it is true.. if it makes less than SF, then so what.. SF also didn't have a Star Wars movie locked and loaded for December.... it'll do fine... the only thing that could hurt it out of the gate is some bad reviews... but if QOS was able to get 65% fresh rating on RottenTomatoes, and SF got 92% fresh rating, (after reading the script) i have to believe that SP will be at least somewhere in the 80% ratings.. it was a great script in which the third act just needed a little touch up work... it very much felt like a classic Bond film when reading it, all the pieces were there.
If you want something positive from the leaks about DC, I can tell you some Sony producers consider him Leonardo Di Caprio's best replacement ! ;)
You should re-read your posts, you've let out more than it should be on a non-leaks thread, I really don't understand why you created this thread that is being read by people wishing to stay away from the spoilers : the major info that put some credence to this 'Craig's last ?' rumours is from the leaks.
;)
I love how people keep saying he is in his 50's soon
So Liam Neeson started his action move career in his 50's
different character though. I'm all for Craig to do Bond 25 but beyond 50 I think it's time to stop.
Amended. I had skimmed through my copy and thought I had neutered it of any leaked information, I just simply missed the one you messaged me about.
As an example, CR & GE were made on much smaller budgets than many Bond films including their predecessors, and both are widely believed to be the best by the respective actors who played Bond. They were both directed by Martin Campbell as well, but let's ignore that inconvenient fact for now....
QoS had a massive budget and was a hit and miss to many (although I liked it). SF had a smaller budget and is widely believed to be the better film (although I realize many disagree).
I'll take more of Craig sitting in Dryden's office and ironically blowing him away any day over Brosnan running around, riding hovercrafts and blowing up stuff in Korea. One had a lot more money involved, and the other is, imho, much more memorable.
Personally, I think EON is at its best when they have a smaller budget. I think they really get their act in gear and deliver a better product. I think they then focus more on characterizations rather than spectacle, and we get a better film as a result.
Bond's differentiating factors compared to other spy films are for me more to do with dialogue, plot, characterizations and acting, as well as atmosphere and music. I agree that great sets are also important, but if it means an astronomical budget, then I'd rather take the other attributes instead.
Just my view. Oh, and I want us to go back to a film every two years schedule, so if that means less budget so we can get the job done faster, then so be it from my perspective...
I totally agree. They also work best when they are the underdog.
Besides just in terms of longevity of the series I feel safer with Bond as a guaranteed moderate but profitable hit with a reasonable budget than ever increasing budgets that have to surpassed in revenues.
Possible there going to be another Batman movie in November 2018 and if there making another sequel it be in November 2021 or May/July 2022.
March 2016: Batman vs Superman
November 2017 or May 2018: Bond 25
November 2018: The Batman
November 2020: Bond 26/Daniel Craig 6th Bond movie or no Bond movie
November 2021: The Batman Returns
November 2022: New Bond actor.
Mabey it is possible the budget of possible 6th Daniel Craig or for a new Bond can be set on 70 million.