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This thread is Where Does Bond Go AFTER Craig.
It's time to let NTTD go.
We all know a new Bond is around the proverbial corner, and the majority of the global audience will not be confused in the slightest.
If i told you in 2006 Bond would die in a film in 2021 and you would be happy with it... I dont think you would believe me.
Do I really have to explain that I was being sarcastic, and I don't really believe they'll make a James Bond film where Bond has replaceable heads like Worzel Gummidge?
I thought they did it to please the audience. It definitely pleased me.
And yes the Craig films are self-contained across five missions. At the same time they're not in conflict with any of the other Bond movies. They just add to.
Is there a different perspective you’re expressing? Or is it the same old, same old?
This thread is about where does Bond go after Craig. I’ve got a hot take that I guarantee is the direction Bond is moving in: male and younger than Craig when he retired from the role. You can take that to the bank, 😝
I'm surprised with how much timeline/continuity controversy the references to the previous films have had. They're playing on the the audiences knowledge of the early films, not implying that they exist in the same universe. I think this in itself probably makes the case that we don't need so much of that self-referential reminiscence in the next iteration. They didn't really add much and frankly took me out of the films on multiple occasions.
I feel like this franchise has gotten so hamstrung by nostalgia and it's own history that it'd be beneficial to approach it as "How do we evoke the awe/emotions that audiences felt the first time they they saw the GF car chase, or the GE dam jump, or heard Monty Norman's theme?" as opposed to referencing and recreating all these iconic moments and visuals. So much of the iconography has become so familiar and overexposed that it has lost a lot of its impact. We don't need to play the greatest hits over and over again, give us something original that actually cultivates those feelings.
I'll simplify my point for you Peter, without sarcasm.
The phrase 'alternative universe' shouldn't apply to James Bond movies. Especially considering they're made by the same company, as part of the same series, and they're not sci-fi movies.
In my opinion.
Yeah on one hand I'm glad that the Craig era was disconnected from all the others since they fouled up so many things, on the other hand I dislike now having two (soon to be three) separate Bond series when there used to be just one.
It's just a good term for a new continuity that has no connection to anything from before. It's got nothing to do with science fiction. The films are not suggesting that there is a literal James Bond multiverse by having two (soon to be three) separate fictional universes.
Absolutely it stands alone. Just as Judi Dench’s M in the Craig era is a completely different person than the one in the Brosnan years , every other callback can be explained in the same way. Craig’s DB 5 is not Connery’s,; the Aston Martin in TLD is not the same as the one in NTTD. The list is endless. Craig’s era is completely it’s own.
They are their own adaptations of a literary character, unrelated to other adaptations. Yes, completely different. .
You are right that this series is hamstrung by it's own history and nostalgia but that is what also makes it so unique. I truly believe that to achieve what you are talking about would require the creation of an entirely new, built from scratch, secret agent series and would probably also have to capture the imaginations of 14 year olds as well as adults.
That's true with any long-running series though, it doesn't mean they need to constantly pay tribute to themselves in every new film. So much of SP and NTTD relies on audiences' knowledge and emotional connection to the previous films that anyone who isn't a well-versed aficionado would be completely alienated. And even then, I don't get much satisfaction out of that stuff either.
The one thing I will concede on, and agree with you on is that another reboot cleans the slate with the mess they have made of the Craig era. As much as I would have loved to have seen the end of YOLT and the beginning of TMWTGG adapted, Craig's era was never going to give me that.
Instead we get Felix dead, M dead, Blofeld being Bond's brother and now dead, Bond being a daddy, Bond being too old and retiring as a loner, Last Jedi style, and then the final insult of Bond getting killed off completely.
If a reboot wipes the slate with this dreadful garbage that started out so promising at the beginning of Craig's era all those years ago, then yes I'm all in. CR led me to believe we were in for another Fleming era but sadly it was never to be.
Bit by bit I was proven wrong with each passing film that came after it. Now wiping it as though it never happened is the best thing they can do to move forward. I really hope the next actor is another Dalton, someone who adores the Fleming books and demands a return to them as much as possible, either adapting what's left (and there is plenty) or sticking rigid to the tone of the books, without deviating from them too far.
Bond and gangsters is the best place to start, using up what's left of the Fleming novels into one film - with Spangled Mob's, Brooklyn stomping, rescuing damsels in distress at motels, and going undercover as Mark Hazard to gun down the most lethal hit man on earth. Now THAT would get me excited for the next Bond film, instead of crappy nano-bots and Bond being a daddy.
James Bond has died and come back to life in back-to-back films (DAD, CR), sported X-ray vision (TWINE), and transported an image of his head onto the ID of another (also TWINE).
Just saying.
When will the Producers adapt the continuation novels?
They're running out of ideas, they're just recycling.
The only unused Fleming left was Diamonds Are Forever and The Spy Who Loved Me.
The Spangs anyone? Or Vivienne Michel? Spectreville as a villain lair in Bond 26?
That's exactly what I have been banging on about, but you missed out TMWTGG too, which again could be incorporated into a gangster led film. Bond goes after the hit man for the Spangled Mob, under the guise of Mark Hazard.
I wrote a blog on the subject here - http://broadcastingtechnologyindustry.blogspot.com/2021/
I actually don't dislike the Craig era as much as you seem to (it's not perfect and clearly an era of experimentation with highs and lows for me), but I understand what you mean about the series needing to wipe the slate clean after NTTD. Whatever your opinions on it are it's a film which fundamentally changes the course of the series/character. Bond is dead, knowingly a father and many supporting characters have also been killed. Unless you have a soft sequel with the new Bond returning brainwashed from an unspecified disappearance a la TMWTGG, the next film will probably be a reboot. I guess similar to The Batman it'll potentially be about a younger Bond early in his career. No origin story per say, just a character defining one.
I'm ok with that. I think they'll need to strip back the budget after NTTD barely broke even so we won't get nanobots or world domination. Perhaps they'll go for something similar to Boyle's unused Bond 25 idea (think it was more espionage/Cold War inspired, albeit in modern times). I agree, there's plenty to use from Fleming beyond characters and plot lines, particularly with Bond himself.
As for the Craig era, I hope some of the ambition of it will feed through into future films. I'm not saying we should kill off major characters again or have another NTTD, but films like SF and CR explored elements of Bond that hadn't been before, and told Bond adventures in different ways. Even NTTD has a lot of creative, genuinely interesting choices which worked (the Cuba sequence with its mixture of fun, horror and action, Paloma etc.) That's not to mention the raised bar for cinematography as of late, as well as the potential for more high level filmmaking/acting talent to come aboard.
Perfectly summed up mate. Hopefully the next Bond has his own direction planned out
I agree with this. NewBond does not need the baggage of Vesper (too soon), Madeleine (ditto), or even Tracy (overplayed).
Let him pick out his own baggage: Gala? Tiffany 2.0 (although that's close to Madeleine)? Goodnight 2.0?
Didn t he also sprout wings in LALD?
actually the idea of a wing suit hidden in his tuxedo... wouldnt be as far fetched as we would like to believe...
what I want is Bond versus Mobsters with Diamonds and the man with the golden gun being inspiration for the next 2 films
Tracy overplayed? Surely she was underplayed! Right after the PYS of DAF Bond had forgotten about her! She was then explicitly mentioned three times. Nice moments, by the way, but not exactly overplayed.
I'd be tempted to keep the Vesper suicide in the new continuity, although not sure how to do it. Since they kept the DB5, why not Vesper?
And the vicar will say to Felix . . . "was it something I said?"
And Felix will reply, "he died once. It was a long time ago".