Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    C'mon @ColonelAdamski .... Hyperbole. You know none of which you wrote above will ever happen.

    The film was released last October.

    This thread is Where Does Bond Go AFTER Craig.

    It's time to let NTTD go.

    We all know a new Bond is around the proverbial corner, and the majority of the global audience will not be confused in the slightest.
  • Posts: 9,847
    peter wrote: »
    C'mon @ColonelAdamski .... Hyperbole. You know none of which you wrote above will ever happen.

    The film was released last October.

    This thread is Where Does Bond Go AFTER Craig.

    It's time to let NTTD go.

    We all know a new Bond is around the proverbial corner, and the majority of the global audience will not be confused in the slightest.

    If i told you in 2006 Bond would die in a film in 2021 and you would be happy with it... I dont think you would believe me.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    The death of James Bond is far more realistic than anything in Colonel A's post. You're stretching to compare apples to oranges.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 1,078
    Jesus!
    Do I really have to explain that I was being sarcastic, and I don't really believe they'll make a James Bond film where Bond has replaceable heads like Worzel Gummidge?
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
    Posts: 13,807
    delfloria wrote: »
    If the Craig films were a series of their own, then why the references to the past films?

    Because Eon wanted to appease their directors when they wanted to add iconic touches from past films. That doesn't change the fact that Eon said that the Craig films ARE their own separate series from the rest. I'm just the messenger.

    I thought they did it to please the audience. It definitely pleased me.

    And yes the Craig films are self-contained across five missions. At the same time they're not in conflict with any of the other Bond movies. They just add to.

  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Then @ColonelAdamski — what’s your point? You’ve repeated your displeasure the same way over and over.

    Is there a different perspective you’re expressing? Or is it the same old, same old?

    This thread is about where does Bond go after Craig. I’ve got a hot take that I guarantee is the direction Bond is moving in: male and younger than Craig when he retired from the role. You can take that to the bank, 😝
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 1,220
    delfloria wrote: »
    If the Craig films were a series of their own, then why the references to the past films?

    Because Eon wanted to appease their directors when they wanted to add iconic touches from past films. That doesn't change the fact that Eon said that the Craig films ARE their own separate series from the rest. I'm just the messenger.

    I thought they did it to please the audience. It definitely pleased me.

    And yes the Craig films are self-contained across five missions. At the same time they're not in conflict with any of the other Bond movies. They just add to.

    I'm surprised with how much timeline/continuity controversy the references to the previous films have had. They're playing on the the audiences knowledge of the early films, not implying that they exist in the same universe. I think this in itself probably makes the case that we don't need so much of that self-referential reminiscence in the next iteration. They didn't really add much and frankly took me out of the films on multiple occasions.

    I feel like this franchise has gotten so hamstrung by nostalgia and it's own history that it'd be beneficial to approach it as "How do we evoke the awe/emotions that audiences felt the first time they they saw the GF car chase, or the GE dam jump, or heard Monty Norman's theme?" as opposed to referencing and recreating all these iconic moments and visuals. So much of the iconography has become so familiar and overexposed that it has lost a lot of its impact. We don't need to play the greatest hits over and over again, give us something original that actually cultivates those feelings.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 1,078
    peter wrote: »
    Then @ColonelAdamski — what’s your point? You’ve repeated your displeasure the same way over and over.

    I'll simplify my point for you Peter, without sarcasm.

    The phrase 'alternative universe' shouldn't apply to James Bond movies. Especially considering they're made by the same company, as part of the same series, and they're not sci-fi movies.
    In my opinion.



  • DenbighDenbigh UK
    edited April 2022 Posts: 5,970
    peter wrote: »
    Then @ColonelAdamski — what’s your point? You’ve repeated your displeasure the same way over and over.
    The phrase 'alternative universe' shouldn't apply to James Bond movies. Especially considering they're made by the same company, as part of the same series, and they're not sci-fi movies.
    But I'm personally just intrigued what people were thinking when Casino Royale came out? Because that was the whole point of that film, to start from scratch (an alternate universe), which is gonna happen again going forward, and is very simple? And it doesn't require science fiction.
  • slide_99slide_99 USA
    edited April 2022 Posts: 693
    delfloria wrote: »
    Everyone has their personal preferences which support their points of view regarding whether or not the Craig era of the Bond world should have continued on or whether Bond should get a fresh restart. That's obviously not going to change. Personally, I just did not like the world of Bond that was created during Craig's tenure. I loved Craig as Bond but the storylines around him left me cold. Mathis dying, no Tracy, Felix dying, Bond having a child though there is a James Suzuki out there some where, Spectre/Quantum destroyed, Blofeld dead, Bond communicating with MI6 HQ during his assignments, Bond failing to keep M alive, Bond stabbing a main villain IN THE BACK, Bond continually retiring and then coming back and many more missteps including Bond and Blofeld being foster brothers. Each became the world's best at what they do. Give me a break. This is why I like that Bond is dead in this timeline and there is no way to go back and all avenues are open now to reimagining all the things I feel went wrong during the Craig era.

    Yeah on one hand I'm glad that the Craig era was disconnected from all the others since they fouled up so many things, on the other hand I dislike now having two (soon to be three) separate Bond series when there used to be just one.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    It seems you’re making this far more complex than it has to be @ColonelAdamski
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited April 2022 Posts: 685
    echo wrote: »
    These homages are also explainable as alternate universes.

    Yea, now we've had the mess of the 'CraigBond' era, we can have as many different cinematic 'Bondverses' as we like. It's sci-fi time!
    He can die, come back to life, sprout wings, have X-ray vision, or removable heads like Worzel Gummidge, and it's all okay because they can 'reboot' and make a new Bond that starts again. What fun!

    It's just a good term for a new continuity that has no connection to anything from before. It's got nothing to do with science fiction. The films are not suggesting that there is a literal James Bond multiverse by having two (soon to be three) separate fictional universes.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    echo wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    ...then why the references to the past films?
    Like what specifically? Because most of, if not all, the references I can think of are just homages for the fans. I can't think of anything like the scene in Die Another Day, where Bond literally has props from old movies.

    Aston Martin DB5 with ejector seat red button on gear stick, Judi Dench as M, Mallory's office, Aston Martin from TLD.

    Which is why it is very difficulty to see the Craig era as standalone, with absolutely nothing to do with the previous 20 odd Bond movies that came before it, and which is why it leaves more questions than answers at Bond's death.

    These homages are also explainable as alternate universes.

    Absolutely it stands alone. Just as Judi Dench’s M in the Craig era is a completely different person than the one in the Brosnan years , every other callback can be explained in the same way. Craig’s DB 5 is not Connery’s,; the Aston Martin in TLD is not the same as the one in NTTD. The list is endless. Craig’s era is completely it’s own.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    Posts: 3,152
    Because alternative universes are variations, not completely different worlds. Er, so I've heard.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    Posts: 8,217
    Venutius wrote: »
    Because alternative universes are variations, not completely different worlds. Er, so I've heard.

    They are their own adaptations of a literary character, unrelated to other adaptations. Yes, completely different. .

  • Posts: 1,860
    delfloria wrote: »
    If the Craig films were a series of their own, then why the references to the past films?

    Because Eon wanted to appease their directors when they wanted to add iconic touches from past films. That doesn't change the fact that Eon said that the Craig films ARE their own separate series from the rest. I'm just the messenger.

    I thought they did it to please the audience. It definitely pleased me.

    And yes the Craig films are self-contained across five missions. At the same time they're not in conflict with any of the other Bond movies. They just add to.

    I'm surprised with how much timeline/continuity controversy the references to the previous films have had. They're playing on the the audiences knowledge of the early films, not implying that they exist in the same universe. I think this in itself probably makes the case that we don't need so much of that self-referential reminiscence in the next iteration. They didn't really add much and frankly took me out of the films on multiple occasions.

    I feel like this franchise has gotten so hamstrung by nostalgia and it's own history that it'd be beneficial to approach it as "How do we evoke the awe/emotions that audiences felt the first time they they saw the GF car chase, or the GE dam jump, or heard Monty Norman's theme?" as opposed to referencing and recreating all these iconic moments and visuals. So much of the iconography has become so familiar and overexposed that it has lost a lot of its impact. We don't need to play the greatest hits over and over again, give us something original that actually cultivates those feelings.

    You are right that this series is hamstrung by it's own history and nostalgia but that is what also makes it so unique. I truly believe that to achieve what you are talking about would require the creation of an entirely new, built from scratch, secret agent series and would probably also have to capture the imaginations of 14 year olds as well as adults.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    Posts: 685
    delfloria wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    If the Craig films were a series of their own, then why the references to the past films?

    Because Eon wanted to appease their directors when they wanted to add iconic touches from past films. That doesn't change the fact that Eon said that the Craig films ARE their own separate series from the rest. I'm just the messenger.

    I thought they did it to please the audience. It definitely pleased me.

    And yes the Craig films are self-contained across five missions. At the same time they're not in conflict with any of the other Bond movies. They just add to.

    I'm surprised with how much timeline/continuity controversy the references to the previous films have had. They're playing on the the audiences knowledge of the early films, not implying that they exist in the same universe. I think this in itself probably makes the case that we don't need so much of that self-referential reminiscence in the next iteration. They didn't really add much and frankly took me out of the films on multiple occasions.

    I feel like this franchise has gotten so hamstrung by nostalgia and it's own history that it'd be beneficial to approach it as "How do we evoke the awe/emotions that audiences felt the first time they they saw the GF car chase, or the GE dam jump, or heard Monty Norman's theme?" as opposed to referencing and recreating all these iconic moments and visuals. So much of the iconography has become so familiar and overexposed that it has lost a lot of its impact. We don't need to play the greatest hits over and over again, give us something original that actually cultivates those feelings.

    You are right that this series is hamstrung by it's own history and nostalgia but that is what also makes it so unique. I truly believe that to achieve what you are talking about would require the creation of an entirely new, built from scratch, secret agent series and would probably also have to capture the imaginations of 14 year olds as well as adults.

    That's true with any long-running series though, it doesn't mean they need to constantly pay tribute to themselves in every new film. So much of SP and NTTD relies on audiences' knowledge and emotional connection to the previous films that anyone who isn't a well-versed aficionado would be completely alienated. And even then, I don't get much satisfaction out of that stuff either.
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 3,327
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    ...then why the references to the past films?
    Like what specifically? Because most of, if not all, the references I can think of are just homages for the fans. I can't think of anything like the scene in Die Another Day, where Bond literally has props from old movies.

    Aston Martin DB5 with ejector seat red button on gear stick, Judi Dench as M, Mallory's office, Aston Martin from TLD.

    Which is why it is very difficulty to see the Craig era as standalone, with absolutely nothing to do with the previous 20 odd Bond movies that came before it, and which is why it leaves more questions than answers at Bond's death.

    An amnesia ridden Bond sailing off into the sunset, then reappearing in the next film younger, different actor, and brainwashed, ready to kill M, poses far less questions and scrutiny, than killing Bond off completely, and then having him appear right as rain again in the next movie, Dallas Bobby Ewing shower style, as though it never happened, despite labelling it as yet another trendy `reboot' that DC Comics, Marvel and Disney would be proud of.
    But I don't think any of that stuff has any effect on anything; its very minor things. Again, most of them are just homages due to the 50th Anniversary, especially the Aston Martins and M's office, which are easily explainable as just new versions with no connective tissue to the past. As for Judi Dench's M, it's been said many times that its a different character and the producers didn't want to say goodbye to her. Again, everything's easily explained and not as confusing as I think some people say it is.

    And I also think its worth looking at how trying to tie it to the old films makes even less sense. If this somehow (strangely) is all tied, how do you explain Blofeld, Moneypenny, and Q? Because everyone thats tried to form a narrative with all the films can't to do it because as soon as you get to Skyfall, Spectre, and now No Time To Die it doesn't work.

    And no an amnesia Bond sailing off and coming back younger does pose more questions, because you can't go from exploring a James Bond whose an old dog with new tricks who had retired to a young fresh faced 007 with his own narrative and emotional arc because those do not fit together. A reboot is neat and simple, and allows for the next era to do whatever it wants because it's not tied down by the past, beyond the odd homage or reference through iconography to make the fans smile, especially since one of the biggest criticisms of the Craig-era as it went on was how much it was tied down by the film before it, so to try and continue that arc even further but this time with a younger actor would just cause more problems. It only worked with the other actors because they weren't tied down by heavy and important narrative arcs.

    Fans and audiences accepted the reboot with Casino Royale, and people will accept it now because that's just how its gonna be, and any alternate just can't work logistically.

    The one thing I will concede on, and agree with you on is that another reboot cleans the slate with the mess they have made of the Craig era. As much as I would have loved to have seen the end of YOLT and the beginning of TMWTGG adapted, Craig's era was never going to give me that.

    Instead we get Felix dead, M dead, Blofeld being Bond's brother and now dead, Bond being a daddy, Bond being too old and retiring as a loner, Last Jedi style, and then the final insult of Bond getting killed off completely.

    If a reboot wipes the slate with this dreadful garbage that started out so promising at the beginning of Craig's era all those years ago, then yes I'm all in. CR led me to believe we were in for another Fleming era but sadly it was never to be.

    Bit by bit I was proven wrong with each passing film that came after it. Now wiping it as though it never happened is the best thing they can do to move forward. I really hope the next actor is another Dalton, someone who adores the Fleming books and demands a return to them as much as possible, either adapting what's left (and there is plenty) or sticking rigid to the tone of the books, without deviating from them too far.

    Bond and gangsters is the best place to start, using up what's left of the Fleming novels into one film - with Spangled Mob's, Brooklyn stomping, rescuing damsels in distress at motels, and going undercover as Mark Hazard to gun down the most lethal hit man on earth. Now THAT would get me excited for the next Bond film, instead of crappy nano-bots and Bond being a daddy.
  • echo wrote: »
    These homages are also explainable as alternate universes.

    Yea, now we've had the mess of the 'CraigBond' era, we can have as many different cinematic 'Bondverses' as we like. It's sci-fi time!
    He can die, come back to life, sprout wings, have X-ray vision, or removable heads like Worzel Gummidge, and it's all okay because they can 'reboot' and make a new Bond that starts again. What fun!
    peter wrote: »
    C'mon @ColonelAdamski .... Hyperbole. You know none of which you wrote above will ever happen.

    The film was released last October.

    This thread is Where Does Bond Go AFTER Craig.

    It's time to let NTTD go.

    We all know a new Bond is around the proverbial corner, and the majority of the global audience will not be confused in the slightest.

    James Bond has died and come back to life in back-to-back films (DAD, CR), sported X-ray vision (TWINE), and transported an image of his head onto the ID of another (also TWINE).

    Just saying.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
    Posts: 3,789
    Excuse me here guys, but:
    When will the Producers adapt the continuation novels?
    They're running out of ideas, they're just recycling.

    The only unused Fleming left was Diamonds Are Forever and The Spy Who Loved Me.
    The Spangs anyone? Or Vivienne Michel? Spectreville as a villain lair in Bond 26?
  • Posts: 3,327
    MI6HQ wrote: »
    Excuse me here guys, but:
    When will the Producers adapt the continuation novels?
    They're running out of ideas, they're just recycling.

    The only unused Fleming left was Diamonds Are Forever and The Spy Who Loved Me.
    The Spangs anyone? Or Vivienne Michel? Spectreville as a villain lair in Bond 26?

    That's exactly what I have been banging on about, but you missed out TMWTGG too, which again could be incorporated into a gangster led film. Bond goes after the hit man for the Spangled Mob, under the guise of Mark Hazard.

    I wrote a blog on the subject here - http://broadcastingtechnologyindustry.blogspot.com/2021/
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 4,166
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    ...then why the references to the past films?
    Like what specifically? Because most of, if not all, the references I can think of are just homages for the fans. I can't think of anything like the scene in Die Another Day, where Bond literally has props from old movies.

    Aston Martin DB5 with ejector seat red button on gear stick, Judi Dench as M, Mallory's office, Aston Martin from TLD.

    Which is why it is very difficulty to see the Craig era as standalone, with absolutely nothing to do with the previous 20 odd Bond movies that came before it, and which is why it leaves more questions than answers at Bond's death.

    An amnesia ridden Bond sailing off into the sunset, then reappearing in the next film younger, different actor, and brainwashed, ready to kill M, poses far less questions and scrutiny, than killing Bond off completely, and then having him appear right as rain again in the next movie, Dallas Bobby Ewing shower style, as though it never happened, despite labelling it as yet another trendy `reboot' that DC Comics, Marvel and Disney would be proud of.
    But I don't think any of that stuff has any effect on anything; its very minor things. Again, most of them are just homages due to the 50th Anniversary, especially the Aston Martins and M's office, which are easily explainable as just new versions with no connective tissue to the past. As for Judi Dench's M, it's been said many times that its a different character and the producers didn't want to say goodbye to her. Again, everything's easily explained and not as confusing as I think some people say it is.

    And I also think its worth looking at how trying to tie it to the old films makes even less sense. If this somehow (strangely) is all tied, how do you explain Blofeld, Moneypenny, and Q? Because everyone thats tried to form a narrative with all the films can't to do it because as soon as you get to Skyfall, Spectre, and now No Time To Die it doesn't work.

    And no an amnesia Bond sailing off and coming back younger does pose more questions, because you can't go from exploring a James Bond whose an old dog with new tricks who had retired to a young fresh faced 007 with his own narrative and emotional arc because those do not fit together. A reboot is neat and simple, and allows for the next era to do whatever it wants because it's not tied down by the past, beyond the odd homage or reference through iconography to make the fans smile, especially since one of the biggest criticisms of the Craig-era as it went on was how much it was tied down by the film before it, so to try and continue that arc even further but this time with a younger actor would just cause more problems. It only worked with the other actors because they weren't tied down by heavy and important narrative arcs.

    Fans and audiences accepted the reboot with Casino Royale, and people will accept it now because that's just how its gonna be, and any alternate just can't work logistically.

    The one thing I will concede on, and agree with you on is that another reboot cleans the slate with the mess they have made of the Craig era. As much as I would have loved to have seen the end of YOLT and the beginning of TMWTGG adapted, Craig's era was never going to give me that.

    Instead we get Felix dead, M dead, Blofeld being Bond's brother and now dead, Bond being a daddy, Bond being too old and retiring as a loner, Last Jedi style, and then the final insult of Bond getting killed off completely.

    If a reboot wipes the slate with this dreadful garbage that started out so promising at the beginning of Craig's era all those years ago, then yes I'm all in. CR led me to believe we were in for another Fleming era but sadly it was never to be.

    Bit by bit I was proven wrong with each passing film that came after it. Now wiping it as though it never happened is the best thing they can do to move forward. I really hope the next actor is another Dalton, someone who adores the Fleming books and demands a return to them as much as possible, either adapting what's left (and there is plenty) or sticking rigid to the tone of the books, without deviating from them too far.

    Bond and gangsters is the best place to start, using up what's left of the Fleming novels into one film - with Spangled Mob's, Brooklyn stomping, rescuing damsels in distress at motels, and going undercover as Mark Hazard to gun down the most lethal hit man on earth. Now THAT would get me excited for the next Bond film, instead of crappy nano-bots and Bond being a daddy.

    I actually don't dislike the Craig era as much as you seem to (it's not perfect and clearly an era of experimentation with highs and lows for me), but I understand what you mean about the series needing to wipe the slate clean after NTTD. Whatever your opinions on it are it's a film which fundamentally changes the course of the series/character. Bond is dead, knowingly a father and many supporting characters have also been killed. Unless you have a soft sequel with the new Bond returning brainwashed from an unspecified disappearance a la TMWTGG, the next film will probably be a reboot. I guess similar to The Batman it'll potentially be about a younger Bond early in his career. No origin story per say, just a character defining one.

    I'm ok with that. I think they'll need to strip back the budget after NTTD barely broke even so we won't get nanobots or world domination. Perhaps they'll go for something similar to Boyle's unused Bond 25 idea (think it was more espionage/Cold War inspired, albeit in modern times). I agree, there's plenty to use from Fleming beyond characters and plot lines, particularly with Bond himself.

    As for the Craig era, I hope some of the ambition of it will feed through into future films. I'm not saying we should kill off major characters again or have another NTTD, but films like SF and CR explored elements of Bond that hadn't been before, and told Bond adventures in different ways. Even NTTD has a lot of creative, genuinely interesting choices which worked (the Cuba sequence with its mixture of fun, horror and action, Paloma etc.) That's not to mention the raised bar for cinematography as of late, as well as the potential for more high level filmmaking/acting talent to come aboard.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited April 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Yes: clean slate. CraigBond was carrying a lot of emotional baggage and the weight of a hard life by the end. Unfair to burden NewBond with all of that. Let him make his own way and live his own life.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Well said @Venutius
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    Venutius wrote: »
    Yes: clean slate. CraigBond was carrying a lot of emotional baggage and the weight of a hard life by the end. Unfair to burden NewBond with all of that. Let him make his own way and live his own life.

    Perfectly summed up mate. Hopefully the next Bond has his own direction planned out
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited April 2022 Posts: 6,304
    Venutius wrote: »
    Yes: clean slate. CraigBond was carrying a lot of emotional baggage and the weight of a hard life by the end. Unfair to burden NewBond with all of that. Let him make his own way and live his own life.

    I agree with this. NewBond does not need the baggage of Vesper (too soon), Madeleine (ditto), or even Tracy (overplayed).

    Let him pick out his own baggage: Gala? Tiffany 2.0 (although that's close to Madeleine)? Goodnight 2.0?
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    echo wrote: »
    These homages are also explainable as alternate universes.

    Yea, now we've had the mess of the 'CraigBond' era, we can have as many different cinematic 'Bondverses' as we like. It's sci-fi time!
    He can die, come back to life, sprout wings, have X-ray vision, or removable heads like Worzel Gummidge, and it's all okay because they can 'reboot' and make a new Bond that starts again. What fun!
    peter wrote: »
    C'mon @ColonelAdamski .... Hyperbole. You know none of which you wrote above will ever happen.

    The film was released last October.

    This thread is Where Does Bond Go AFTER Craig.

    It's time to let NTTD go.

    We all know a new Bond is around the proverbial corner, and the majority of the global audience will not be confused in the slightest.

    James Bond has died and come back to life in back-to-back films (DAD, CR), sported X-ray vision (TWINE), and transported an image of his head onto the ID of another (also TWINE).

    Just saying.

    Didn t he also sprout wings in LALD?
  • Posts: 9,847
    echo wrote: »
    These homages are also explainable as alternate universes.

    Yea, now we've had the mess of the 'CraigBond' era, we can have as many different cinematic 'Bondverses' as we like. It's sci-fi time!
    He can die, come back to life, sprout wings, have X-ray vision, or removable heads like Worzel Gummidge, and it's all okay because they can 'reboot' and make a new Bond that starts again. What fun!
    peter wrote: »
    C'mon @ColonelAdamski .... Hyperbole. You know none of which you wrote above will ever happen.

    The film was released last October.

    This thread is Where Does Bond Go AFTER Craig.

    It's time to let NTTD go.

    We all know a new Bond is around the proverbial corner, and the majority of the global audience will not be confused in the slightest.

    James Bond has died and come back to life in back-to-back films (DAD, CR), sported X-ray vision (TWINE), and transported an image of his head onto the ID of another (also TWINE).

    Just saying.

    Didn t he also sprout wings in LALD?

    actually the idea of a wing suit hidden in his tuxedo... wouldnt be as far fetched as we would like to believe...



    what I want is Bond versus Mobsters with Diamonds and the man with the golden gun being inspiration for the next 2 films
  • edited April 2022 Posts: 15,125
    echo wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    Yes: clean slate. CraigBond was carrying a lot of emotional baggage and the weight of a hard life by the end. Unfair to burden NewBond with all of that. Let him make his own way and live his own life.

    I agree with this. NewBond does not need the baggage of Vesper (too soon), Madeleine (ditto), or even Tracy (overplayed).

    Let him pick out his own baggage: Gala? Tiffany 2.0 (although that's close to Madeleine)? Goodnight 2.0?

    Tracy overplayed? Surely she was underplayed! Right after the PYS of DAF Bond had forgotten about her! She was then explicitly mentioned three times. Nice moments, by the way, but not exactly overplayed.

    I'd be tempted to keep the Vesper suicide in the new continuity, although not sure how to do it. Since they kept the DB5, why not Vesper?
  • Posts: 1,078
    Perhaps one day, in a future film, Bond will be at a funeral with Felix, and during the service, Bond will look maudlin and walk away.
    And the vicar will say to Felix . . . "was it something I said?"
    And Felix will reply, "he died once. It was a long time ago".
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