Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 2,161
    I don’t buy it. Too many excuses.
  • Fire_and_Ice_ReturnsFire_and_Ice_Returns I am trying to get away from this mountan!
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    Effort is key.
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    Effort is key.

    That’s it in a nutshell. Will.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 784
    They rich they dgaf

    The world is running out of nongeneric cinematic experiences.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited June 2022 Posts: 16,383
    Effort is key.

    How many huge film series are knocking out a film a year? Even Star Wars didn't manage it successfully when they tried (and Marvel is a studio with different productions going on). It's easy to say that you think more effort would solve it, but there's not much evidence that they could bang out films just like that.
    I suspect that there's something legal or otherwise going on that we don't know about too: there's still no sign of a B26 ltd. company being opened, which is unusual.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It’s ironic some of you are complaining about how long it’s taking. If she’s able to stick to her estimate of a 2024 release, that’s actually a smaller gap between films than it was with DAD and CR, at least by a year. Three years between films doesn’t seem unreasonable.

    Also a lot of you aren’t considering the factor that MGM was just bought by Amazon, which means Eon has a lot more on their plate on how to proceed with the next film under new management, distribution, etc.
  • TripAcesTripAces Universal Exports
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    When I was a kid they came out every year. And they were better.

    They had source material to work from.
    mtm wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    I always felt "reinventing Bond" implies the character himself is sub-standard as is.
    If reinventing Bond means rethinking the series' direction, then great. It's worked successfully before.

    Did they not reinvent the film series in 1987?
    Birdleson wrote: »
    When I was a kid they came out every year. And they were better.

    Films are harder to make now, and they can't just use a novel as a basis for a script because there aren't any left. Their leading man also left after just five years (and checked out before that).

    I agree. I'm not sure what the big deal is, here. The dust has barely settled from NTTD.

    There was a three-year gap between DAD and when Craig was announced. That seemed fine. People need to cool their jets.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    'We're reinventing who he is', said BB. Realistically, doesn't that just mean that they're creating a different backstory to CraigBond's? Not that they're turning him into something that's unrecognisable as James Bond.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I think some folks are put off that Eon wasn’t going into pre-production on Bond 26 during the COVID delays.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Venutius wrote: »
    'We're reinventing who he is', said BB. Realistically, doesn't that just mean that they're creating a different backstory to CraigBond's? Not that they're turning him into something that's unrecognisable as James Bond.

    I think it probably means less that they're turning him into anything different than trying to work out a direction to go in. Even if they decide to go with a Roger-style comedy version, that's still a direction to be picked.
    I think some folks are put off that Eon wasn’t going into pre-production on Bond 26 during the COVID delays.

    I guess they did still have things to work out regarding NTTD before it was finally released, I imagine the job isn't completely done until the film is out on home release. Regardless, they do usually start of the process of the next film before the last one has been released, which they haven't done this time- hence my feeling that there's some extra dimension to this we're not privy to (and the MGM takeover seems prime candidate).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They also don’t have a worldwide distributor, as Universal only opted for one film with NTTD and that was completely dependent on Craig coming back. Eon has to go back to the negotiating tables again for distribution. UAR currently only handles North American distribution.
  • I’d rather we didn’t get more interconnected storytelling for the next actor, but if EON are that insistent about it, it’d be nice if they actually planned things out ahead of time. That’s one of the biggest reasons I didn’t enjoy Craig’s tenure as much as others; it was a disaster in interconnected storytelling, with different filmmakers having different ideas, and a lack of coherent vision.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Yes, if they're going to take a route similar to the Craig era in terms of storytelling, I really, really hope they map it out in full this time. I don't want to see Bond "past his prime" in the third of five installments in the next era again.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    I’m kind of scared who she’s talking about reinventing Bond with. I really think MGW is out of the picture, main producer wise. Gregg Wilson could definitely be getting a new type of promotion. If it’s Purvis and Wade, don’t expect a complete reinvention. Bond will leave MI6 at some point. Cary’s definitely not coming back. I could see her talking to Anthony Horowitz and Phoebe Waller-Bridge about writing. Maybe it’s time for FAAD to be a good starting point.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    They’ve been reinventing Bond with each new actor. Why are some of you freaking out over that wording?
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    I know some members dread the return to formula and all, and it’s not like things have to be exactly as they were Pre-Craig, but after all the confusion in Craig’s tenure with regards to the series direction, I’d much rather have a big bombastic return to the formula, than Daniel Craig 2.0. I think in this instance, looking back at the Dalton films would be a good way to go; they had they’re moments of heavy emotional consequences without feeling the need to over-analyze Bond/the Franchise, or something like the Terence Young Bond films would be a great template. Goldeneye would also be a great reference point for the next era as well.
    They’ve been reinventing Bond with each new actor. Why are some of you freaking out over that wording?

    George Lazenby enters the chat room. And I say that as a Lazenby fan.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Funny, I hear so much by Lazenby fans saying his take was so different from Connery that Connery wouldn’t work in OHMSS.

    I don’t agree with that point, but I do subscribe the thought that not every Bond actor can easily be slotted into someone else’s. The most extreme example I can think of is trying to imagine Roger Moore’s Bond working in LTK. To me they’re incompatible.

    I take it from Broccoli’s words that she wants the next Bond to be different from Craig, which IMO is the correct course of action to take, just as Craig was after Brosnan and so on.
  • I’m just happy they are thinking about Bond 26 at this point. Things are moving . Gonna be a bit of a wait.

  • edited June 2022 Posts: 2,266
    Funny, I hear so much by Lazenby fans saying his take was so different from Connery that Connery wouldn’t work in OHMSS.

    I don’t agree with that point, but I do subscribe the thought that not every Bond actor can easily be slotted into someone else’s. The most extreme example I can think of is trying to imagine Roger Moore’s Bond working in LTK. To me they’re incompatible.

    I take it from Broccoli’s words that she wants the next Bond to be different from Craig, which IMO is the correct course of action to take, just as Craig was after Brosnan and so on.

    Well it depends. I think if Connery played Bond in OHMSS like he played him on Dr. No, and FRWL, that would’ve been the best performance from any Bond actor. But post Goldfinger Connery? I struggle a bit trying to picture that scenario. But I do think Connery and Lazenby’s Bond are perhaps the most similar to each other, even more so than the Dalton/Craig comparisons. It’s almost sort of difficult to talk about Lazenby for me. I think he was great in the part despite some of the dubbing and acting skills, and I’m one of those people who thinks he should’ve stuck around and done more, but it’s hard to ignore when he’s trying to do something Connery would’ve pulled off effortlessly. I will say that after the proposal scene is when we actually start seeing Lazenby’s Bond coming into his own stride a bit, which is odd given how OHMSS wasn’t shot in sequential order.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Who else was at the Broccoli/Wilson tribute? Jamie Bell?

    I'd put odds on him.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
    edited June 2022 Posts: 8,183
    Funny, I hear so much by Lazenby fans saying his take was so different from Connery that Connery wouldn’t work in OHMSS.

    I don’t agree with that point, but I do subscribe the thought that not every Bond actor can easily be slotted into someone else’s. The most extreme example I can think of is trying to imagine Roger Moore’s Bond working in LTK. To me they’re incompatible.

    I take it from Broccoli’s words that she wants the next Bond to be different from Craig, which IMO is the correct course of action to take, just as Craig was after Brosnan and so on.

    Well it depends. I think if Connery played Bond in OHMSS like he played him on Dr. No, and FRWL, that would’ve been the best performance from any Bond actor. But post Goldfinger Connery? I struggle a bit trying to picture that scenario. But I do think Connery and Lazenby’s Bond are perhaps the most similar to each other, even more so than the Dalton/Craig comparisons. It’s almost sort of difficult to talk about Lazenby for me. I think he was great in the part despite some of the dubbing and acting skills, and I’m one of those people who thinks he should’ve stuck around and done more, but it’s hard to ignore when he’s trying to do something Connery would’ve pulled off effortlessly. I will say that after the proposal scene is when we actually start seeing Lazenby’s Bond coming into his own stride a bit, which is odd given how OHMSS wasn’t shot in sequential order.

    I think the initial idea was that Lazenby would simply be written and directed to play Bond no differently from Connery to assure audiences that this is the exact same person. But because Peter Hunt wanted to stick close to the novel, that meant giving Bond moments of vulnerability, so it gave Lazenby an opportunity to do something that made his Bond unique.
  • I’m putting my money on Tom Holland. He makes Daniel Craig look like Tommy Wiseau by comparison. Uncharted proved it. Obviously the only correct choice for the role ;).
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I wouldn’t be against Tom Holland if this was the year 2032.
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    I’m against any period of time where Holland becomes Bond, especially after how he shared his pitch for having Bond be a code name he inherits. I like Holland as Spider-Man, but everyone (including himself) throws his name around for projects and characters that aren’t suited for him. Like did anyone realistically think he’d be a good Nathan Drake? I like the choice of Jamie Bell, but I also like the idea of Cavil, Turner, and Sam Heughan playing Bond.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    If Holland brought up the code name theory, then he’s disqualified.
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    As much as I don't like the phrase "reinvention" for Bond, I do want Eon to steer away from the Craig era for the next actor. It was an interesting experiment, but in some ways, disappointing for me
    I would like to see a Dalton esque style Bond era; one that's not afraid to bend the formula without completely breaking it.
  • Posts: 1,986
    Isn't reinvention a euphemism for trying to sort out the mess we created? The brothers SPECTRE, Bond falling in love with a SPECTRE girl without an ounce of chemistry between them, and then throwing up their hands by killing off Bond. CR is one of my favorite Bond films in the history of the series, but the subsequent story arc did not help the series. Instead of reinvention, how about back to basics? Christ, I miss the old days.
  • edited June 2022 Posts: 831
    It seems as if we're headed for a comparable gap of DAD-CR (~4ish years), which makes sense given the scope of 'reinvention' last time. This feels like a bit of clever expectation management by Barbara.

    Bond has been through countless 'reinventions' but this next one may be, by far, the most important if the series is to continue in any noteworthy way in the future. Certainly ranks up there with the pivot after LTK when Barbara and Michael took over the franchise from Cubby full-time.

    Looking at those modern examples, and what reinvention could mean:

    1995: People just plain missed James Bond. Fun, classic, broadly appealing James Bond. That's why we got GoldenEye, and Pierce Brosnan. Almost universally loved, an easy film to enjoy, yet also quite edgy and ruthlessly modern given the series' precedents (scenes with M and Moneypenny come to mind, as well as using a brute-force plot framework to confront the idea of Bond in a post-Soviet Union world).

    2006: The 'reinvention' move here was so brilliant and appropriate that it seems almost obvious, in retrospect (but that made it no less a risk). Bond had become science fiction, needed more edge, needed more reality, and we got Daniel Craig. Pared down plot, as steeped as possible in Fleming source material, abandoning tropes, and a massive dice roll given Brosnan's established success. And yet Craig performed so well, and the film itself was so immensely good, that it was a massive victory.

    In many ways, those two 'reinventions' would seem opposite ends of the Bond spectrum. Classic familiarity on one, hard-edged modernity on the other.

    I'm absolutely fascinated to watch where this one goes. Is it one, or the other? Or something totally unexpected we (gasp) haven't seen before, at all?

    Something tells me their goal won't be figuring out a way to pay more homage to the previous 60 years. The Craig era leaned (subversively) hard in that direction, particularly near the end. I suspect they're more concerned with establishing something that will provide a foundation for 60 more years of franchise success, if such a thing is possible for the world's most iconic cinematic spy.
  • imranbecksimranbecks Singapore
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    Would be interesting to see what they mean by "reinventing" Bond. But didn't we get a reinvented Bond with Casino Royale? Or was that a reboot? What a mess for the future of Bond. Shouldn't have killed him off.
  • quantumspectrequantumspectre argentina
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    to me spectre was the end of 007, i dont even tried yet to watch NTTD. only the car chase at the opening. but i wonder if we ever see a new actor playing 007...like, already tom cruise is filming the last missions movies, and vin diesel fast x in portugal, yet 007 dont have even a actor...
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