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Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/immortal-jellyfish-could-spur-discoveries-about-human-aging-180980702/

    https://time.com/doomsday-vault/

    A couple of interesting things I've been reading about lately that could be somehow included in a Bond plot.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    echo wrote: »
    What I'm saying is that Connery and Moore deviated from Fleming's Bond in that regard. Their Bonds don't seem self-reflective about the job in the way that later Bond actors bring out.

    So it's not to do with their generation then, it's just to do with how their films were made.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    I think it's easier to put inner monologue, self-reflection in a novel, and when it came time to make the movies, they focused on the action adventure aspect to the stories, which translates to the screen much easier. But audiences evolve, and they want to see more of that self-reflection, I think they want something with the character they can grab onto so they can empathize and be affected by the story, and so in modern times filmmakers have to be more skilled so they can incorporate all these elements into the films.

    Interestingly it seems like Lazenby had a bit of that self-reflection that Connery and Moore didn't.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    ByRoyalDecree wrote: »
    I would like to see Bond fly solo, dressing up in disguises, stealthing, manipulating, torturing, stealing, bribing, framing, gambling, dealmaking, puzzling his way through the investigation. Proper spy stuff.

    Other 00 or foreign service agents are fine to be stumbled upon.

    If you try to make him too much of a good guy he will become uninteresting very quickly, unless he is unusually attractive and romantic or the world around him incredibly interesting.

    Dressing up in disguises seems a little dated, maybe?....

    And torturing? You want Bond films to make money, right? I think the closest Bond came to an anti-hero was in LTK (a film I enjoy), and we saw audiences turn their backs.

    My guess is that EoN and distributors want more "save the cat moments" than the hero torturing people....
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    That list of activities, followed by "proper spy stuff" is pretty funny. Le Carre is turning in his grave.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @NickTwentyTwo , :)
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I do hope they do away with earpieces in Bond 26. I love when Bond is alone against the enemy, with only his wits to rely upon, there's something so exciting about it
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    mtm wrote: »
    Bear in mind that from Bond's point of view Blofeld wasn't returning though, it was him appearing for the first time, which I guess is why they thought it would work (but I agree that it didn't really!).

    It's interesting that the first time they adapted Octopussy they chopped out the personal angle for Bond. Not that it would have worked for the story they were telling, but you'd have thought they could have used it in some way. I don't think it would have been weird for Roger to have talked about his childhood mentor: he was a more human bond than Connery.

    I love seeing Roger's Bond get some credit for his human side. I'd probably put Connery and Moore on equal ground in terms of human qualities. They just have different ways of showing them. Both are subtle, and I appreciate that.
    As far as future Bonds continuing to explore Bond's personal side:cool.
    There's plenty of room for that alongside action and thrills.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I do hope they do away with earpieces in Bond 26. I love when Bond is alone against the enemy, with only his wits to rely upon, there's something so exciting about it

    Agreed
  • Since62Since62
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I do hope they do away with earpieces in Bond 26. I love when Bond is alone against the enemy, with only his wits to rely upon, there's something so exciting about it

    Agreed

    What ?
  • ByRoyalDecreeByRoyalDecree
    edited September 2022 Posts: 784
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    That list of activities, followed by "proper spy stuff" is pretty funny. Le Carre is turning in his grave.

    CIA and Mossad laughing at you for that comment.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
    edited September 2022 Posts: 2,016
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I do hope they do away with earpieces in Bond 26. I love when Bond is alone against the enemy, with only his wits to rely upon, there's something so exciting about it

    Yeah, I never liked Craig's Bond wearing them. Not that being an FBI agent is a bad thing, but it turns Bond into one. Maybe they should have looked for a smarter gadget for Bond to use, if Bond must communicate like that. Maybe his watch or something, because earpieces does look and feel like an everyday thing. Just too common for a character like Bond.
  • ByRoyalDecreeByRoyalDecree
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    SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I do hope they do away with earpieces in Bond 26. I love when Bond is alone against the enemy, with only his wits to rely upon, there's something so exciting about it

    Yeah, I never liked Craig's Bond wearing them. Not that being an FBI agent is a bad thing, but it turns Bond into one. Maybe they should have looked for a smarter gadget for Bond to use, if Bond must communicate like that. Maybe his watch or something, because earpieces does look and feel like an everyday thing. Just too common for a character like Bond.

    Agreed
  • ToTheRightToTheRight
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    Don't care for the earpieces either. It's like Bond riding a bike with training wheels or something. I prefer the feeling of Bond being on his own and having to report later.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    I think they achieved peak earpiece scene in the Macau casino scene in Skyfall. They should’ve given it a break after that.
  • Since62Since62
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    Junglist_1985 wrote: »
    I think they achieved peak earpiece scene in the Macau casino scene in Skyfall. They should’ve given it a break after that.

    Perhaps we all misunderstood. After the many explosions which have occurred near Bond, not to mention the torture he withstood in SPECTRE (or did he ? recall my Gilliam's Brazil - based theory), Bond may not only need communication devices, but many simply now be QUITE hard of hearing ! As we move on to a new Bond, which many folks think may be a significantly younger one, perhaps he'll start out - even if temporarily, given the things that happen in a double-O's day (BOOM !) - with hearing intact.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Junglist_1985 wrote: »
    I think they achieved peak earpiece scene in the Macau casino scene in Skyfall. They should’ve given it a break after that.

    I love that scene with Moneypenny in Macau, it's only a small scene but it's perfect. It sets Bond up as a seasoned agent and also lone wolf trusting his instincts in pursuing Severine
  • ByRoyalDecreeByRoyalDecree
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    Bar the wide legged stance in the boat and the shaving scene it's fine.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Yeah, but after two films in which Bond told other agents to stop touching their ear, he did it himself in SP! They could've at least have made it an in-joke by having him start to do it and then catch himself and stop it, with a look of slight exasperation on his face. ;)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    007InAction wrote: »
    Sam Mendes: the next James Bond film should be directed by a woman

    https://www.theguardian.com/film/2022/sep/15/sam-mendes-next-james-bond-film-directed-by-woman

    I don't get that. I want the next film to be directed by a capable director, whether male or female. Why does it have to be a woman just because she is a woman?
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    He just said it would be nice if it was, he didn't say it had to be a woman.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Different life experience = different art. We're not talking about plumbers here. ;)

    Do I think the next Bond film *should* be directed by a woman? Not necessarily... but I can see why some would think it's an interesting idea.
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Susanne Bier then. If it ends up being a woman.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited September 2022 Posts: 3,152
    Mendes doesn't actually say that Bond 26 'should' be directed by a woman, just that it would be 'wonderful' if it was. Really, though? Just to tick a box? Just to make a point? What? As DarthDimi said: 'I want the next film to be directed by a competent director, whether male or female' - literally can't say fairer than than.
  • FoxRoxFoxRox
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    As long as people choose to keep focusing on others' race, sex, orientation, etc. rather than character and skill - including those thinking they're standing for noble, progressive causes - we'll have to keep dealing with divisiveness.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Different life experience = different art. We're not talking about plumbers here. ;)

    Do I think the next Bond film *should* be directed by a woman? Not necessarily... but I can see why some would think it's an interesting idea.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    Venutius wrote: »
    Yeah, but after two films in which Bond told other agents to stop touching their ear, he did it himself in SP! They could've at least have made it an in-joke by having him start to do it and then catch himself and stop it, with a look of slight exasperation on his face. ;)

    The Craig era, especially the back half, seems plagued with these in-jokes that work against themselves later on - Q is "afraid of flying" yet has no problem with it in the very next film, or how they're so above the exploding pen from GE yet introduce an exploding watch into the following installment. Plus, the earpiece bits. It's odd.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Q was never afraid of flying, it was a reason made up by Moneypenny for her being there: "M's already briefed me on the list, raising the tantalizing question of what you're really doing here..."
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Q was never afraid of flying, it was a reason made up by Moneypenny for her being there: "M's already briefed me on the list, raising the tantalizing question of what you're really doing here..."

    Fair enough response, I buy it as it is a flippant line, but doesn't negate the other bits.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Creasy47 wrote: »
    NickTwentyTwo wrote: »
    Q was never afraid of flying, it was a reason made up by Moneypenny for her being there: "M's already briefed me on the list, raising the tantalizing question of what you're really doing here..."

    Fair enough response, I buy it as it is a flippant line, but doesn't negate the other bits.

    I get the exploding pen issue, what’s the backfiring in-joke with earpieces?
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