Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    While I enjoy the continuation novels, I don't think they're made for full adaptations, especially in the cinematic landscape we're in now. So I think a better idea would be to have EON allow themselves to cherry pick good ideas from the continuation novels to create more interesting modern stories instead.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Whether they use the story or not, the title “Licence Renewed” is a great title for a reboot.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    It would be a good title.
  • Denbigh wrote: »
    While I enjoy the continuation novels, I don't think they're made for full adaptations, especially in the cinematic landscape we're in now. So I think a better idea would be to have EON allow themselves to cherry pick good ideas from the continuation novels to create more interesting modern stories instead.

    They've been doing that for a while now with both the continuation novels and Fleming. I would definitely prefer a wholesale, modernized adaptation of one of the books in the vein of Casino Royale. While the Easter eggs are cool, there's also something unsatisfying sometimes about seeing a part of one of the books alluded to for a snippet of a conversation or the setting of an action sequence. It just feels like not enough.
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    Whether they use the story or not, the title “Licence Renewed” is a great title for a reboot.

    YES!
  • SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷SecretAgentMan⁰⁰⁷ Lekki, Lagos, Nigeria
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    Whether they use the story or not, the title “Licence Renewed” is a great title for a reboot.

    True.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    While I enjoy the continuation novels, I don't think they're made for full adaptations, especially in the cinematic landscape we're in now. So I think a better idea would be to have EON allow themselves to cherry pick good ideas from the continuation novels to create more interesting modern stories instead.

    I still think some deserve the chance to get a screen adaptation. In particular, at this point, they’d probably be better than a original screenplay by P & W and some Oscarbait writer. Take a minor risk EON.
    Whether they use the story or not, the title “Licence Renewed” is a great title for a reboot.

    Agreed 100%. Gardener and Benson have some great titles at least to their names.

  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    Since Bond is gonna be more sensible on his future incarnations, they could bring back Bond to smoke cigarettes and say he does it as a coping mechanism, along with drinking alcohol.
    They could also show us Bond's usual snarky charisma while being on the field, but when he is alone, we see him broken, crying and miserable.
    Also revealing he is a secret agent just for the sake of boosting up his confidence.
    Ok, that's just depressing.
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    There is no way they are going to bring back smoking. He could have quit recently though.

    I bet they will be more modest about drinking as well.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Also, culture changes. Smoking cigarettes has more or less become seen as highly unattractive by most people compared to 70 years ago when the Tobacco industry glamorized it as something desirable.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Same with the womanizing. Some flirting sure, but making sure it’s agreed between the two.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Same with the womanizing. Some flirting sure, but making sure it’s agreed between the two.

    The way you phrase it makes it sound like womanizing doesn’t involve consent between two parties.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Same with the womanizing. Some flirting sure, but making sure it’s agreed between the two.

    The way you phrase it makes it sound like womanizing doesn’t involve consent between two parties.

    I’m sorry I forgot how to spell consent. My mistake.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    There is no way they are going to bring back smoking. He could have quit recently though.

    I bet they will be more modest about drinking as well.

    What if there were a running gag where he carries a cig holder but never smokes? It could be useful to be/hold a gadget.

    Could extend it to he never quite gets to light one... either he gets interrupted, or they're wet, etc. Like the code trade in FRWL (I use a lighter... better still... until they go wrong.)

    And I think if anything they'll only be more cavalier with drinking. How many aggressive swigs did Craig take? At least one a movie.
  • edited November 2022 Posts: 4,141
    I don’t think they’ll be modest about Bond’s drinking necessarily. They’ll just have a few nods to him not having a particularly healthy relationship with alcohol - probably a scene of Bond downing a drink after a particularity brutal fight or getting drunk by himself for some reason... so pretty much how they depicted it in the Craig era.

    Smoking cigarettes is something I doubt we’ll see Bond doing again. This has been the case since the Brosnan era, and actually the Moore one as well (save for the odd cigar, which might happen) so it’ nothing new.

    I suspect Bond will still be a womaniser as well, but scenes like the one where he randomly kisses Patricia or the infamous barn scene with Pussy Galore won’t be seen. Again though, not having such scenes has essentially been the case for a very long time in Bond. So yeah, I don’t think these aspects are the ones Broccoli is invested in ‘reinventing’.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    I remember there was a Midnight’s Edge video that tried to frame NTTD being turned woke, that they would change Bond “who was normally shown slapping women”, as if that’s something the franchise kept doing for the last 50 years.
  • I remember there was a Midnight’s Edge video that tried to frame NTTD being turned woke, that they would change Bond “who was normally shown slapping women”, as if that’s something the franchise kept doing for the last 50 years.

    That’s pretty disingenuous of them. I think the last time we saw Bond “slapping a woman” was Goldeneye, and even that hasn’t been seen since TMWTGG.
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    Imagine if Craig’s Bond had been slapped by women as many times as Brosnan’s was. Knowing how sensitive some people are about these things nowadays I imagine we’d hear a lot of moaning about it from some portions of the internet.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Imagine if Craig’s Bond had been slapped by women as many times as Brosnan’s was. Knowing how sensitive some people are about these things nowadays I imagine we’d hear a lot of moaning about it from some portions of the internet.

    The scene in Spectre where Lucia slaps him and he throws down the champagne flutes was so great.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2022 Posts: 16,383
    The first vaping Bond. And his vape machine thing turns into a grappling hook or fills the room with knockout gas or something :D
  • edited November 2022 Posts: 2,266
    mtm wrote: »
    The first vaping Bond. And his vape machine thing turns into a grappling hook or fills the room with knockout gas or something :D

    Can he have a Man Bun and Hipster Glasses too? And Keds filled with a poison tipped dart?
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    Oh, to Hell with vaping. I'm all for Bond smoking 60 cigarettes per day, drinking heavily and chasing all the Bond girls he can take in a single film.
    I also want him to conquer and thwart the villain's schemes by the film's end.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
    edited November 2022 Posts: 7,547
    I remember there was a Midnight’s Edge video that tried to frame NTTD being turned woke, that they would change Bond “who was normally shown slapping women”, as if that’s something the franchise kept doing for the last 50 years.

    Imagine missing women being slapped in films.
    I’m all for him smoking again though.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Imagine if Craig’s Bond had been slapped by women as many times as Brosnan’s was. Knowing how sensitive some people are about these things nowadays I imagine we’d hear a lot of moaning about it from some portions of the internet.

    The scene in Spectre where Lucia slaps him and he throws down the champagne flutes was so great.

    I like that scene a lot too.

    Come to think of it, I think Bond has been slapped by women more than he’s slapped women in the films. Even the scene in FRWL isn’t made to make him look heroic but being clouded by anger somewhat.
  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    As much as I’d love to see a Moonraker novel adaptation with casino scenes so engulfed in cigarette smoke you could cut it with a knife, I have a feeling the only way we’ll get a smoking Bond is in a period piece set in the 50’s/60’s. Even then it’s a big maybe.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    Yeah I think you're right. Even if modern Bond smoked, there'd be nowhere for him to do it.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited November 2022 Posts: 16,383
    I don't really want him smoking. Even when I watch Living Daylights it makes him look a bit weaker than it did back in day; there's something a bit desperate about smoking now- it's not as cool as it was. A man as strong as Bond should be able to just do without them.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I feel like similar arguments could be applied to his drinking too but I know that's (somehow) still the "socially acceptable" and "cool" thing to do, so that day may never come.
  • NickTwentyTwoNickTwentyTwo Vancouver, BC, Canada
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    And even then, Craig's Bond only got drunk the one time in QOS. But yeah, there's still lots of drinking, Much more socially acceptable than smoking I suppose.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited November 2022 Posts: 40,968
    And even then, Craig's Bond only got drunk the one time in QOS. But yeah, there's still lots of drinking, Much more socially acceptable than smoking I suppose.

    True, though I felt he clearly had an issue with it in SF too - visually displayed during the bar scene and the bit where he breaks into M's flat, then Silva mentions it later on when reading Bond's results.
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