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If I was EoN, I’d have paid top dollar for an editor; I wouldn’t have hired one of Nolan’s guys, that’s for sure….
It feels like every scene, from the PTS onwards, should have been tightened, and the entire “C” plot certainly sliced and diced right down to the bone, giving us short scenes that were just enough to have the story continue moving with a forward trajectory. They may not have got an almost three hour film in the end, but perhaps one a little more enjoyable to sit through.
Both NTTD and Skyfall (to different extents) also set out to fuse a little bit of the camp and breeziness of classic Bond with the grit and intensity of the Craig films, but felt way more successful in that regard because it at least felt like everyone involved, both in front of and behind the camera put their all into it. Spectre was just so ho-hum and uninspired even though conceptually there are some interesting things going on.
I think OHMSS/CR/SF/NTTD/TLD/GE all exist in that optimal area of the tonal spectrum and I hope Bond 26 falls within that range too.
Yes, I know they tried this with TWINE but not very successfully, IMHO.
Blofeld's daughter Nena was one of Gardner's better ideas. If Blofeld shows up in the next continuity, she could show up around film #3 or 4.
I agree.
As @mtm stated earlier, there were some interesting ideas inside of this film, it’s frustrating the proper things weren’t developed (if I were a producer, I would have done everything in my power to delay production. If you’re limping out of script development, with a screenplay everyone had concerns about, that’s not a good start. Yes, I’d have done everything in my power to delay production, scrap the script, and start anew. But that’s easy for me to say…)
I agree that's certainly an interesting way to take it and it would add a new dimension, but I don't know if there even needs to be a sexual aspect. I look at something like Cate Blanchett in Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skull or Julianne Moore in the second Kingsman, and I think they're not lacking at all as villains, and I'm puzzled as to why the Bond films haven't gone there. Someone on here recently suggested that Helen McCrory could have returned to be C in Spectre, and I find that an achingly huge missed opportunity now it's been pointed out. Imagine how great a baddie she'd have been.
My main issue with SP is still Bond's recovery (or lack of it) after the head drilling torture scene. Had this been set in the tone of Craig's first 3 movies (particularly CR), we'd have seen a dazed Bond shaking his head, not knowing who he is for a few moments, trying to recover from a horrific ordeal.
Instead we went back to Austin Powers/DAD Brosnan territory, where Bond can do things like stop his heart beating in hospital, then suddenly spring to life and start killing everyone in perfect fashion.
SP, for all its faults, is still light years ahead of NTTD though.
The only problem with this is I doubt they would have the courage to show Bond kill a female villain now. She'd probably kill herself or be arrested.
It would be interesting to a female villain though, it's long overdue, I thought they were going to go there with Nomi initially.
Yes i definitely agree that it’s a cheat. I tend to think that if we’re told how a device works in a film then that’s how it works (with exceptions for jokes etc.) - we’re told he’ll lose his memory so those are the stakes, just as much as Goldfinger has an atom bomb which will kill James Bond if he’s handcuffed to it. You can’t just have it that Blofeld is wrong and drilling into his head doesn’t do anything, that’s a cheat.
That was me. :)
But yeah, just as good as a villain too. She was great in Penny Dreadful and Dr Who as well.
I don't think I enjoyed any of the action in the film, except for the train fight. The rest is underwhelming, ludicrous, or just plain boring.
There's a fan-edit of "Spectre" called "Spectre: [Redacted]" that trims most of the "unnecesary padding" to make it better-paced, maybe you could have a look at it.
This is exactly why they should not start pre-production until they have a script they are satisfied with. When will they finally learn this lesson?
That’s a good rule, @Colonel_Venus , but sometimes there are other pressures. Who knows if the distributors were pressuring EoN to not move from the release date? Sometimes these things will be out of their hands. But you have a point, and—
I’d like to assume they put this into practice when they walked away from Boyle when they weren’t enamoured with the script he was developing, and Boyle wasn’t bending on allowing the producers to get a script doctor(s), so they made the tough, but necessary choice, to start back at the P & W first draft and build from there with a new director and his team.
That’s what happened in Carte Blanche with Felicity Willing. I’m also tried of the Bond women villains being evil as a plot twist. Just have a female villain who we know is evil right away. Only Agent Under Fire does this.
Let's hope the next film is something I love and you hate, so I can pass the sentiment right back at you.... ;)
They should make another DAD.
I'm down. Just no crappy lines and horrifying CGI. There's a good film in DAD, even in the Iceland scenes.
No! We need MORE of that!