Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Here are some of my controversial opinions about where EON should take Bond after Craig:

    Goldfinger and Trevelyan should comeback as villains. Trevelyan should have a multi story arc about going evil. He could start out good even as one of the MI6 regulars, and slowly turn evil over a film or two. There are too many real life Goldfingers not to bring the villain back.

    May and Charmian Bond need to be introduced into the film series too make it feel different from before. Blofeld should always be a possible threat. Just no code names. EON should adapt some of the continuation novels. Some of their stories could work better than Fleming’s now.

    Ralph Fiennes deserves to come back as M in a reboot. Judi Dench got to do it, and was poorly written.

    No actor should ever again get the amount of creative control that Craig had. He was like a spoiled brat at times. It always seemed Barbara Broccoli bowed down to him. If her dad could have given Connery even half of that, he might have played Bond longer.

    Give the non-action/artsy directors and award-winning writers a break. It has been too much of a mixed bag for too long in the Craig era.

    It's arguably time for Michael G. Wilson to retire. It feels like only Barbara wants to run the show now.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    Here are some of my controversial opinions about where EON should take Bond after Craig:

    Goldfinger and Trevelyan should comeback as villains. Trevelyan should have a multi story arc about going evil. He could start out good even as one of the MI6 regulars, and slowly turn evil over a film or two. There are too many real life Goldfingers not to bring the villain back.

    May and Charmian Bond need to be introduced into the film series too make it feel different from before. Blofeld should always be a possible threat. Just no code names. EON should adapt some of the continuation novels. Some of their stories could work better than Fleming’s now.

    Ralph Fiennes deserves to come back as M in a reboot. Judi Dench got to do it, and was poorly written.

    No actor should ever again get the amount of creative control that Craig had. He was like a spoiled brat at times. It always seemed Barbara Broccoli bowed down to him. If her dad could have given Connery even half of that, he might have played Bond longer.

    Give the non-action/artsy directors and award-winning writers a break. It has been too much of a mixed bag for too long in the Craig era.

    It's arguably time for Michael G. Wilson to retire. It feels like only Barbara wants to run the show now.

    Charmian actually appeared on SP, well, at least her name.

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  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
    edited August 2023 Posts: 685
    The way some of you complain about SP and NTTD makes me wish the next Bond film is exactly like those too, especially if it makes you feel the most dejected as a fan.

    Forgive the overused phrase, but everyone's entitled to their opinion. Wanting people to be disappointed seems a bit over the top.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    How about a Bond era where the next actor in the role plays James Bond for a maximum of four films.
    With a fifth film, the actor can get bored with the role, or perhaps has too much sway in the way things are done. With a three-film run, they get to become their own Bond, but by adding a fourth they can really go out on a high, as well as likely by truly accepted in the role.
    Clearly that's not a guarantee, but it might help the films feeling stale.
    It sounded better in my head, than it reads.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 579
    All I know is that I hope EON will not try to answer the question in the title of this thread themselves before hearing Nolan's pitch.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'd prefer a tighter run for the next actor, maybe they don't need to as big and bombastic. They could do a more round 3 or 4 film arc, like the early Connery's. Set something up, pay it off in the next film.
    I love the Craig era, but I do wish he would have done 1 more film in his 15 year run.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    I would be happy if the films didn't connect or have a story arc like the Craig era.
    Similar to the first Connery and Moore films.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    Realistically speaking, with the actors and writers strike right now, Bond 26 will probably come out in 2026.
  • QBranchQBranch Always have an escape plan. Mine is watching James Bond films.
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    I'm gonna say 2025. The optimist has spoken.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    QBranch wrote: »
    I'm gonna say 2025. The optimist has spoken.
    The gap between LTK and GE lasted for 6 years.
    The gap between DAD and CR lasted for 4.
    I guess both are plausible.
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    I take it back.

    They should make another DAD.

    No way! That's just as bad.
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    Some people just like to see the world burn ;)
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    I take it back.

    They should make another DAD.

    No way! That's just as bad.

    A fantasy Bond is a double-edged sword.
    It can work well (TSWLM)
    Or it can just be plain awful (DAD)
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Yeah, we hadn’t had a quick turnaround from one actor to the next since Moore to Dalton in 86. I think Dalton could have benefitted from having a gap after Moore’s run finished. He was too stark of a change in tone for people to be ready. Had they held off til 89 or 90, maybe people (particularly Americans) would have been hungry for a new Bond, the way they were by the time Brosnan got GE and Craig with CR.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I loved it in 1987 when Dalton took over. It was refreshing to have a youthful Bond doing his own stunts more or less.

    But with a successful Bond, the transition to a new Bond may be tougher with the public than we think. Certainly Connery to Lazenby was rough, but Moore to Dalton may have been as well, because people were accustomed to Moore after so long.

    What this means for Craig's successor is anyone's guess. Yet I'd argue that the Bond brand, and the changing of the actors, are much more established now.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited August 2023 Posts: 16,413
    I guess it is quite interesting that when the two previous big kings of Bond, Sean and Roger, moved on, arguably their successors, George and Tim, saw the series stumble a little as audiences struggled to embrace them. Daniel is up there with Sean & Roger I’d say, so will we see another stumble next time?
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I'm wondering that as well.
  • TheSkyfallen06TheSkyfallen06 Buenos Aires, Argentina.
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    The only issue is that, unlike Lazenby and Connery, they can't bring Daniel back.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    Like I said, Lazenby and Dalton had to follow what were essentially giants right from the get-go. There was no downtime/hiatus, it was just “old Bond gone, new Bond in” and I don’t think that helped them. Whoever the new guy will be won’t have to immediately follow up Craig. Enough time will passed for Craig vanish from the rear view mirror.

    If Eon had let go of Brosnan immediately after DAD and we got Craig cast for a 2004 release, I think it would have been even harder to sell him. But because enough time had passed between 2002 and 2006 the public were able to easily transition and embrace new Bond, despite how popular Brosnan was up to 2002. The only folks that were upset were the CraigNotBond folk, with a significant portion of them being Brosnan fans.
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    I would hope the next Bond won't be a stumble. Although I did not like the Bond dies aspect of NTTD, audiences for Bond 26 will know Craig's Bond died. There shouldn't be any expectation of seeing Craig again. I would also hope the producers have learned something from having six previous Bonds. It shouldn't be hard to get it right. The next actor need not be well known or have a pretty face. He needs to own the role instead of playing the role.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Like I said, Lazenby and Dalton had to follow what were essentially giants right from the get-go. There was no downtime/hiatus, it was just “old Bond gone, new Bond in” and I don’t think that helped them. Whoever the new guy will be won’t have to immediately follow up Craig. Enough time will passed for Craig vanish from the rear view mirror.

    If Eon had let go of Brosnan immediately after DAD and we got Craig cast for a 2004 release, I think it would have been even harder to sell him. But because enough time had passed between 2002 and 2006 the public were able to easily transition and embrace new Bond, despite how popular Brosnan was up to 2002. The only folks that were upset were the CraigNotBond folk, with a significant portion of them being Brosnan fans.

    That's not much of a gap- I think it's more that Brosnan wasn't quite on a par with Connery, Moore and Craig. He was good, but folks were perhaps not massively attached to him.
    One thing I think will help is that Craig's Bond had a final end- if it were left on Spectre I think audiences would still, even now, be feeling like there's unfinished business. But after NTTD I think even his greatest fans feel that he got a good crack of the whip and his time has passed, which should help his successor. A big bit of that CraigNotBond thing was that they thought Brosnan still had more in him.
  • mtm wrote: »
    Like I said, Lazenby and Dalton had to follow what were essentially giants right from the get-go. There was no downtime/hiatus, it was just “old Bond gone, new Bond in” and I don’t think that helped them. Whoever the new guy will be won’t have to immediately follow up Craig. Enough time will passed for Craig vanish from the rear view mirror.

    If Eon had let go of Brosnan immediately after DAD and we got Craig cast for a 2004 release, I think it would have been even harder to sell him. But because enough time had passed between 2002 and 2006 the public were able to easily transition and embrace new Bond, despite how popular Brosnan was up to 2002. The only folks that were upset were the CraigNotBond folk, with a significant portion of them being Brosnan fans.

    That's not much of a gap- I think it's more that Brosnan wasn't quite on a par with Connery, Moore and Craig. He was good, but folks were perhaps not massively attached to him.
    One thing I think will help is that Craig's Bond had a final end- if it were left on Spectre I think audiences would still, even now, be feeling like there's unfinished business. But after NTTD I think even his greatest fans feel that he got a good crack of the whip and his time has passed, which should help his successor. A big bit of that CraigNotBond thing was that they thought Brosnan still had more in him.

    Audiences were incredibly attached to Pierce’s Bond, to the point where each of his films (TND withstanding) earned more than the predecessor. So I’d say he’s every bit on par with Connery and Moore as Craig is, perhaps even more so because his portrayal hasn’t really divided anyone the way Craig’s has.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Lazenby and Dalton had to follow what were essentially giants right from the get-go. There was no downtime/hiatus, it was just “old Bond gone, new Bond in” and I don’t think that helped them.
    Yes, agreed. Anyone who followed Connery was going to have it rough, but a longer gap might've eased somewhat by letting the loss of Connery sink in a bit and allowing anticipation to build, rather than just throwing Lazenby out there while the world was still mourning Sean's absence. Definitely think that a large part of the audience hadn't been given time to adjust after Sir Rog, so Dalton's starkly different portrayal jarred with what much of the general audience expected/wanted in '87. I do think that jolt would've been reduced with a longer gap and more time to prep the audience for the change in approach.
  • Venutius wrote: »
    Lazenby and Dalton had to follow what were essentially giants right from the get-go. There was no downtime/hiatus, it was just “old Bond gone, new Bond in” and I don’t think that helped them.
    Yes, agreed. Anyone who followed Connery was going to have it rough, but a longer gap might've eased the way a bit more. Definitely think that a large part of the audience hadn't been given time to adjust after Sir Rog, so Dalton's starkly different portrayal jarred with what much of the general audience expected/wanted in '87. I do think that jolt would've been reduced with a longer gap and more time to prep the audience for the change.

    I don’t think Laz would’ve fared any better with a gap after YOLT, and I say that as a fan of his portrayal of Bond. The cinematic landscape changed the year YOLT was released, and I think if they waited for 1970-71 to release OHMSS, then audiences probably would’ve have been even less invested in it. I’d argue Dalton could’ve benefited from a gap like that though. The only issue with that is Pierce most likely wouldn’t have become Bond, and he’s the Bond actor to really reinvigorate the franchise with Goldeneye.
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    It's arguably time for Michael G. Wilson to retire. It feels like only Barbara wants to run the show now.

    It doesn't feel like Barbara wants to run the show either.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Then let the Wilson sons run it for now.,
  • fjdinardo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    It's arguably time for Michael G. Wilson to retire. It feels like only Barbara wants to run the show now.

    It doesn't feel like Barbara wants to run the show either.

    This franchise is her families legacy. I doubt she actually feels that way.
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    fjdinardo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    It's arguably time for Michael G. Wilson to retire. It feels like only Barbara wants to run the show now.

    It doesn't feel like Barbara wants to run the show either.

    This franchise is her families legacy. I doubt she actually feels that way.

    She has now been in charge of the series longer than her dad was and has only put out 9 films in 28 years. Her dad put out 16 films in 27 years. IMO she doesn't have the drive to make these movies as fast as her dad did.
  • fjdinardo wrote: »
    fjdinardo wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    It's arguably time for Michael G. Wilson to retire. It feels like only Barbara wants to run the show now.

    It doesn't feel like Barbara wants to run the show either.

    This franchise is her families legacy. I doubt she actually feels that way.

    She has now been in charge of the series longer than her dad was and has only put out 9 films in 28 years. Her dad put out 16 films in 27 years. IMO she doesn't have the drive to make these movies as fast as her dad did.

    A part of me agrees, but you also have to take into account that film making is a much longer process these days than it was back in the 60’s-80’s, and we as an audience demand much more from the filmmakers now. Not to mention a lot of the delays in the Craig era were down to circumstances out of EON’s control. Personally I think the next era will have more consistent release dates now that Amazon owns MGM, but only time will tell.
  • fjdinardo wrote: »
    It doesn't feel like Barbara wants to run the show either.

    Which is why this is the time to just let Nolan do his job. Barbara and EON can sit back and relax, and a first rate Bond film will be delivered to their doorsteps.
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