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I liked Goldeneye and The World is Not Enough, and if they'd gone with Tomorrow Never Lies I think the titles would have been a lot more interesting.
I re-watched The Spy Who Loved Me the other day. Crikey, that's a fun film. A lot of it just simply wouldn't work (or be tolerated!) these days, but you get the feeling that everyone making it was having a blast, it really motors along.
I wouldn't want them to revisit the tone of TSWLM, but I'd love to see a big, fun, rattling stand-alone Bond adventure like that again.
That's the thing in the classic era, because they're trying to ride on the tone of Goldfinger.
That fun, with some iconic elements into it.
So, there's the fun, an iconic villain, song, and etc.
How many times that they've used 'Die'?
Discounting Live And Let Die (since it came from a Fleming book):
Tomorrow Never Dies
Die Another Day
No Time To Die
The thing about TSWLM is that it's got a lot of heart. More so than I think many believe. You've got this great central relationship between Anya and Bond, an almost Fleming-esque side plot about him having killed her lover, the climax where there's this tension between Bond deciding to save her at the cost of her potentially killing him, and a villain whose plan is actually quite dark when you think about it. It just happens to be packaged in a film that's much more grand in scale, light-hearted and one could say more 'family friendly' than Moore's previous instalments.
I don't think it's just about tone necessarily (if anything until recently it's a film I dismissed as 'silly' when I was younger, and it's only recently I've rewatched and enjoyed it a lot more). There's a lot of drama in that script which for me holds up slightly better than some of the stuff in Craig's last two films. While I don't necessarily want a future Bond film that's trying to be TSWLM (I happen to prefer a bit of darkness in my Bond films to some extent) it'd be nice to have a film somewhere down the line that's a bit grander, escapist even, but still has that sense of drama. A bit like what SP was trying to be.
Agreed. SP, in tone, had all the right elements of danger, (almost) sci-fi daftness, fun and style. If the plot actually engaged the viewer more, it'd be right up there.
You're right about the 'heart' of TSWLM. It just feels like they were out to have the best fun and make the biggest Bond. The two recent Bond movies have technically been head and shoulders above Spy, but not nearly as much fun to watch.
And again, a lot of that's down to Roger Moore. He really was superb in that role, and especially that film.
That being said, when they are ready to go big, grand, escapists again (a la TSWLM) - I want Denis Villeneuve.
Agreed! I'm all for grounded (gritty spy) espionage thriller for the next Bond! Give me that FRWL vibes!
Lyrically Property of a Lady will work better than Risico as a song.
Die in a Bond title should be laid to rest. Live, gold, kill are better choices.
Where do I sign?
A taut, breathless thriller would be a nice change. A Bond without all the gadgetry and the big set pieces would be refreshing. The world domination/destruction theme has become tiring. Instead of a From Russia With Love, how about a To Russia With Extreme Prejudice. Bond is sent on a mission to assassinate. Time to scale back the stories and get into more spying and being a secret agent who actually uses false identities.
I'm sorry if i hurt anyone's feelings, but
Nolan is a great director, but not as what people say he is.
I have been avoiding the new film; I was meant to go yesterday, but… found excuses not to go.
Hopefully I’ll be surprised and even blown away when I do see it.
Roger's fantastic in that one. There are moments in that film where he brings a strong sense of humanity to the part (much like Connery could do), but he also has that more humorous, tongue in cheek side to him (again, much like Connery).
SP just doesn't live up to TSWLM when you take into account those more dramatic elements. Even taking the film by itself, the idea that Bond and Blofeld seemingly knew each other as kids never really adds much to the story. There's far more compelling stuff in TSWLM, as much of a romp as it can be.
For what it's worth I thought it was miles ahead of Tenet, and was better than much of the stuff Nolan has done since TDKR. It's worth watching I'd say, even if one has issues with it.
We already had a gadget-less Bond for most of the Craig era.
So a tiny radio and an explosive watch count as gadgets?
I am referring to the kinds of things that anticipate Bond's exact need in a crisis. For 26, I want Bond to be a man alone, along the lines of North by Northwest or The 39 Steps. No more smart blood or capsules shot into him. The absence of technology would force Bond to show what he's really capable of.
I don't mind a flippant, humorous Bond. I hope we don't return to the silliness of the RM era: stepping on alligators, Tarzan yells, "Sit!" Wit is one thing; silliness quite another.
No, i meant that Bond should use gadgets more often, i don't mind realistic gadgets like the briefcase and the detachable sniper rifle from FRWL, just give Bond a gadget that doesn't affect on
We’re in a Member Berries type of nostalgia right now. Both have arguably grown in popularity and ended their runs shortly, or too poor of material. In a lot of people’s eyes.
Suspense - Dr. No & From Russia With Love
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Action - Casino Royale & Quantum of Solace
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Overall tone: Goldeneye
*No Goldfinger Formula
All Bonds did.