Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Posts: 1,078
    QBranch wrote: »
    Mick Jagger

    In the film, Moore does a double-take, which always led me to believe there was some kind of in-joke there. I still think it could be Jagger.
  • SIS_HQSIS_HQ At the Vauxhall Headquarters
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  • Junglist_1985Junglist_1985 Los Angeles
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    Alright we’re almost to September… there’s got to be some kind of Bond 26 announcement coming this fall, right? Realistically how much work could they be doing on Bond 26 short of casting the actor or writing the script given the strikes?
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    Alright we’re almost to September… there’s got to be some kind of Bond 26 announcement coming this fall, right? Realistically how much work could they be doing on Bond 26 short of casting the actor or writing the script given the strikes?

    I don't believe work has begun on B26 whatsoever. I seriously doubt there will be an announcement this fall.
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    If the goal is to introduce Bond to a new generation, it's going to take a significant PR campaign. Other than we diehards, I'm beginning to wonder if Bond will even be relevant.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Well Bond really draws on timeless origins and storytelling.

    Presented the right (= straightforward) way to a modern audience, it can be appreciated and even serve as a relief from a lot of nonsense perpetrated in media today. But I'm biased.


  • DwayneDwayne New York City
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    If the goal is to introduce Bond to a new generation, it's going to take a significant PR campaign. Other than we diehards, I'm beginning to wonder if Bond will even be relevant.

    It's a fear that I have myself sometimes - but mostly in regard to the US market. While I think that there will be a lot of public and media buzz when Bond #7 is announced (both pro and con), will that interest translate to the film itself? Time will tell.

    It's telling that the two big films this year (Barbie and Oppenheimer) have production budgets in the range of $125 million - far less than any Bond film since Casino Royale. Will this cause a rethink on the part of EON? Again, while they aren't entirely a valid apple to apples comparison, it is food for thought.
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    It's safe to assume the target audience will not have read the Bond novels and Craig's first outing was 2005. By the time the next Bond film rolls around, Craig himself will have reached classic car status. Ethan Hunt and Indiana Jones haven't exactly set the world on fire, so it will be interesting to see how EON will present Bond to a generation whose grandparents and great-grandparents were the first Bond filmgoers.
  • RichardTheBruceRichardTheBruce I'm motivated by my Duty.
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    Since 1995 the current producers have a very good record for these things, no less with their 2021 release.

    So yes I'm looking forward to what they present. At this point I truly trust their judgment. And they should really stir things up in anticipation with some (IMAX or otherwise) short features or other Bond products as a lead-in.

  • edited August 2023 Posts: 3,327
    SIS_HQ wrote: »

    Absolute BS clickbait article. No news in there at all. Just another blogger trying to make a name for herself by jumping on a random quote Higson said a while ago, which was just his opinion, pure speculation, taken out of context, and with no real insight at all.
  • He's not wrong. The next era will be like 2027/28 - 2040.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    Alright we’re almost to September… there’s got to be some kind of Bond 26 announcement coming this fall, right? Realistically how much work could they be doing on Bond 26 short of casting the actor or writing the script given the strikes?

    The only announcement will get this year is "everyone is still really tired and we haven't even begun to think about Bond 26 yet"
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    To be fair I think they've definitely started thinking, but their hands are a bit tied right now along with the rest of the US film industry.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Let’s be fair; there are two strikes going on at the moment. The writers and studios are faraway from any deal. And I don’t even think the actors have sat down with the studios since their strike started in July! This isn’t good, folks. Until these things are settled, there can be no discussions with struck companies, no discussions with actors, no auditions, no outlines, no scripts…..

    The state of Hollywood ain’t good right now. Big projects, like Dune 2 have moved into next year. Everything’s being pushed.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
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    ...and when everything with the strikes is finally resolved, there's going to be a massive back log of projects waiting to get underway.
    It's likely some of these projects will get cancelled altogether, due to the massive stress it's going to put on the studios, with the demand to get all these movies made.
    How will Bond 26 fair?
    It's hard to know right now.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Yes, exactly. When the strikes end, and the dust settles (that’s when the lawyers get writing the collective bargaining agreements), there will be major delays, projects will be pushed, many will die and have died (that’s how studios, despite losses at the box office, are claiming profits in the last quarter (kinda sick that their profits are off the backs of dead projects)).
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    CR's the perfect template for how to engage a new audience with a new Bond. The press was appalling beforehand, Craig took more stick than Lazenby, Bourne was triumphant, things couldn't have been lower. Then people actually saw the film and, with the exception of a few CNB die hards, all that stopped dead in its tracks. Craig was brilliant, so was the film, word of mouth brought people in that hadn't been all that fussed before and the whole series was utterly rejuvenated. That, clearly, is the way to do it. So, er, all it takes is a brilliant film with a brilliant new Bond. Easy...cough.
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    Hate to say this, but deep down I think NTTD was it. I'm okay with that actually. Great film and a superb ending to the series.
    Eon could eventually revive Bond, but my hunch is that would be really far down the line and most likely streamed. Honestly, hardly anyone I know actually goes to the movies anymore.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 4,139
    CrabKey wrote: »
    It's safe to assume the target audience will not have read the Bond novels and Craig's first outing was 2005. By the time the next Bond film rolls around, Craig himself will have reached classic car status. Ethan Hunt and Indiana Jones haven't exactly set the world on fire, so it will be interesting to see how EON will present Bond to a generation whose grandparents and great-grandparents were the first Bond filmgoers.

    Ironically I think a part of it might actually involve going back to the novels, at least in terms of writing Bond as a character. I think nowadays if Bond were introduced in the same way that Connery's was in DN it'd ring as false to a lot of viewers (it's worth saying that despite Connery's great performance in this film, in terms of how much it compares to Fleming's character I always got the sense that it heightened Bond's womanising and vices to tongue in cheek degrees. It also included scenes like Bond killing in cold blood without much thought, which is obviously different to the novels, and compared to his relative lack of self assuredness in FRWL, Bond seems very much in control of the situation and even plays Dent in a wry manner, which again clashes with the literary Bond).

    I think nowadays more viewers, particularly younger ones, would relate more to a Bond who is more similar in spirit to Fleming's Bond - a loner, a man with lots of vices and really only a couple of redeeming virtues, a man who is constantly torn between cynicism and devotion to his job, a man who isn't always assured that he'll get out of the situations he faces. We've seen with Craig's Bond there's a precedent for going back to some of these qualities, and I'd argue there's actually stuff in those novels that even the Craig's version of the character never fully adapted.
  • edited August 2023 Posts: 2,266
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Hate to say this, but deep down I think NTTD was it. I'm okay with that actually. Great film and a superb ending to the series.
    Eon could eventually revive Bond, but my hunch is that would be really far down the line and most likely streamed. Honestly, hardly anyone I know actually goes to the movies anymore.

    I highly doubt that. Bond is too big a money maker for EON to simply cast aside for a while.

    As far the the theaters go, I’d say your correct to a degree, though if Barbie and Oppenheimer are any indication, it’s that audiences will flock to the theaters so long as word of mouth is incredibly strong, and B26 will need that strong word of mouth.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited August 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Yes, agreed: word of mouth pulled hordes of 'casuals' into CR and SF, some of whom stayed the course and are still here. The ideal would be for Bond 26 to repeat that and give the new guy his own momentum. There's always a buzz around a new Bond, so if EON deliver the right film there could well be a lot of new fans who'll see the new guy as 'their' Bond and that'll see the series set up for another successful run. Pretty sure EON will be aiming for exactly this, tbh, so if the strikes give them time and space to get it right we'll all benefit in the long run.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    CrabKey wrote: »
    It's safe to assume the target audience will not have read the Bond novels and Craig's first outing was 2005. By the time the next Bond film rolls around, Craig himself will have reached classic car status. Ethan Hunt and Indiana Jones haven't exactly set the world on fire, so it will be interesting to see how EON will present Bond to a generation whose grandparents and great-grandparents were the first Bond filmgoers.

    Ironically I think a part of it might actually involve going back to the novels, at least in terms of writing Bond as a character. I think nowadays if Bond were introduced in the same way that Connery's was in DN it'd ring as false to a lot of viewers (it's worth saying that despite Connery's great performance in this film, in terms of how much it compares to Fleming's character I always got the sense that it heightened Bond's womanising and vices to tongue in cheek degrees. It also included scenes like Bond killing in cold blood without much thought, which is obviously different to the novels, and compared to his relative lack of self assuredness in FRWL, Bond seems very much in control of the situation and even plays Dent in a wry manner, which again clashes with the literary Bond).

    I think nowadays more viewers, particularly younger ones, would relate more to a Bond who is more similar in spirit to Fleming's Bond - a loner, a man with lots of vices and really only a couple of redeeming virtues, a man who is constantly torn between cynicism and devotion to his job, a man who isn't always assured that he'll get out of the situations he faces. We've seen with Craig's Bond there's a precedent for going back to some of these qualities, and I'd argue there's actually stuff in those novels that even the Craig's version of the character never fully adapted.
    Well said! 100% agree!
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    It freaking annoys me how entitled and uninformed some are.

    “Oh boo hoo when are they gonna make an announcement?!?”

    THERE ARE TWO STRIKES! Eon can’t do Jack squat if they wanted!
  • Posts: 3,327
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Hate to say this, but deep down I think NTTD was it. I'm okay with that actually. Great film and a superb ending to the series.
    Eon could eventually revive Bond, but my hunch is that would be really far down the line and most likely streamed. Honestly, hardly anyone I know actually goes to the movies anymore.

    Don't really agree with any of this. First, NTTD is a bad film, and a shockingly awful ending to the series.

    Second, Barbie and Opp have shown there is still life in the old box office.

    Third, even if EON have lost any appetite to keep the franchise going, Amazon or other studios will gladly step in and take over as Bond is a huge cash cow, but I personally think EON will already have things lined up ready to go, once this strike is over.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    God, this is so dumb.

    “I don’t think Eon wants to make Bond movies anymore.”

    More like they literally cannot, unless they know how to make a Bond film without actors and writers.
  • Posts: 16,162
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Hate to say this, but deep down I think NTTD was it. I'm okay with that actually. Great film and a superb ending to the series.
    Eon could eventually revive Bond, but my hunch is that would be really far down the line and most likely streamed. Honestly, hardly anyone I know actually goes to the movies anymore.

    I highly doubt that. Bond is too big a money maker for EON to simply cast aside for a while.

    As far the the theaters go, I’d say your correct to a degree, though if Barbie and Oppenheimer are any indication, it’s that audiences will flock to the theaters so long as word of mouth is incredibly strong, and B26 will need that strong word of mouth.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Hate to say this, but deep down I think NTTD was it. I'm okay with that actually. Great film and a superb ending to the series.
    Eon could eventually revive Bond, but my hunch is that would be really far down the line and most likely streamed. Honestly, hardly anyone I know actually goes to the movies anymore.

    Don't really agree with any of this. First, NTTD is a bad film, and a shockingly awful ending to the series.

    Second, Barbie and Opp have shown there is still life in the old box office.

    Third, even if EON have lost any appetite to keep the franchise going, Amazon or other studios will gladly step in and take over as Bond is a huge cash cow, but I personally think EON will already have things lined up ready to go, once this strike is over.

    Well I appreciate the encouraging words. :D I do hate feeling like cinema itself is going downhll and NTTD would be 007's final big screen epic.
    Personally as far as demographics go, Eon could easily get young audiences into Bond with a great film and solid story. It's worked before. I just hope we get a release date announcent in the near futue. :D
  • CrabKey wrote: »
    If the goal is to introduce Bond to a new generation, it's going to take a significant PR campaign. Other than we diehards, I'm beginning to wonder if Bond will even be relevant.

    NTTD made nearly $800 million worldwide. Apparently there are a lots of "diehards'...
  • ToTheRight wrote: »
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Hate to say this, but deep down I think NTTD was it. I'm okay with that actually. Great film and a superb ending to the series.
    Eon could eventually revive Bond, but my hunch is that would be really far down the line and most likely streamed. Honestly, hardly anyone I know actually goes to the movies anymore.

    I highly doubt that. Bond is too big a money maker for EON to simply cast aside for a while.

    As far the the theaters go, I’d say your correct to a degree, though if Barbie and Oppenheimer are any indication, it’s that audiences will flock to the theaters so long as word of mouth is incredibly strong, and B26 will need that strong word of mouth.
    ToTheRight wrote: »
    Hate to say this, but deep down I think NTTD was it. I'm okay with that actually. Great film and a superb ending to the series.
    Eon could eventually revive Bond, but my hunch is that would be really far down the line and most likely streamed. Honestly, hardly anyone I know actually goes to the movies anymore.

    Don't really agree with any of this. First, NTTD is a bad film, and a shockingly awful ending to the series.

    Second, Barbie and Opp have shown there is still life in the old box office.

    Third, even if EON have lost any appetite to keep the franchise going, Amazon or other studios will gladly step in and take over as Bond is a huge cash cow, but I personally think EON will already have things lined up ready to go, once this strike is over.

    Well I appreciate the encouraging words. :D I do hate feeling like cinema itself is going downhll and NTTD would be 007's final big screen epic.
    Personally as far as demographics go, Eon could easily get young audiences into Bond with a great film and solid story. It's worked before. I just hope we get a release date announcent in the near futue. :D

    I understand your concerns, and after an entire summer where several high-profile projects have either “flopped” or “under-performed”, I’d be concerned too. But I just trust EON at the end of the day.
  • MakeshiftPythonMakeshiftPython “Baja?!”
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    If the goal is to introduce Bond to a new generation, it's going to take a significant PR campaign. Other than we diehards, I'm beginning to wonder if Bond will even be relevant.

    NTTD made nearly $800 million worldwide. Apparently there are a lots of "diehards'...

    If making near $800m is considered a failure, then that should mean THE BATMAN was a failure too.

    The only real dings for its box office run is that the budget was $300, which made its RIO not so great. Had it been something like $150m, then I don’t think there would be so much scrutinization over the budget. It also needs to bring in a bigger audience in North America, but I think this has been true for a long time when you think about it.

    Bond had been a hit in the US, but it hasn’t really done blockbuster status like contemporary films. The only exceptions were GF, TB, YOLT, and SF. All the rest were respectable hits but nothing as big as contemporaries.
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