Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I like the wingless plane in Spectre, although it did remind me of Wallace and Gromit, The Wrong Trousers.
    I'm glad they didn't do a ski sequence, it would have felt out of place for Daniel's no nonsense Bond and too much of a OHMSS nod.

    I love the fact that Bond didn't hesitate to use whatever vehicle he could find at a moments notice, like the digger in Skyfall or the tank in Goldeneye, there's something Bondian about him using a vehicle in a different way than it's intended to be used.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 16,427
    Jordo007 wrote: »

    I love the fact that Bond didn't hesitate to use whatever vehicle he could find at a moments notice, like the digger in Skyfall or the tank in Goldeneye, there's something Bondian about him using a vehicle in a different way than it's intended to be used.

    Yeah it's really a subject which is good enough for its own thread, but I would say that a defining aspect of Bond action scenes or moments is him using something (often a vehicle) for a purpose contrary to its usual expectations, usually in an audacious and cool unflappable way.
    Bond will often see a solution which is purely logical (well, movie logic!) but everyone else would dismiss as being ridiculous; and as often as not that actually makes us laugh because of his sheer bold fearlessness and style. So in that way the action scenes are often character moments for Bond himself.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    mtm wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »

    I love the fact that Bond didn't hesitate to use whatever vehicle he could find at a moments notice, like the digger in Skyfall or the tank in Goldeneye, there's something Bondian about him using a vehicle in a different way than it's intended to be used.

    Yeah it's really a subject which is good enough for its own thread, but I would say that a defining aspect of Bond action scenes or moments is him using something (often a vehicle) for a purpose contrary to its usual expectations, usually in an audacious and cool unflappable way.

    The moon buggy came to mind immediately. ;-)
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    Why mess with it! James Bond defended by Bolton.

    Debate of sorts from a UK news channel from yesterday.

    A panel of idiots who know very little of the subject they were debating on. One of the women saying Bond was never written as white? :))
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    It's GB News; it's not worth looking at.
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    Why mess with it! James Bond defended by Bolton.

    Debate of sorts from a UK news channel from yesterday.

    The older guy in the suit looks like he’s a character straight out of a Harry Enfield sketch…. Actually the premise of this would make a good Harry Enfield sketch as these sort of Bond discussions end up being a bit pointless/vapid all round.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 16,427
    James Bond discussions in the right wing press tend to drag out the worst of the dog whistles, because he's a vaguely nationalistic figure, he's someone they've grown up with (hence you'll get all of the 'they're trying to take our childhoods away!' Brexity nonsense), and he is of course a white man, so you get all of the usual exhausting made-up culture war nonsense around him - 'the wokerati want to make James Bond a black lesbian!!!!' etc. etc. It's just not worth even looking at because, as mentioned above, half of them don't know what they're talking about anyway.
    A couple of years ago Piers Morgan accused 007 of being emasculated because Daniel Craig was papped wearing a baby carrier- that's the sort of level of debate we're talking about.
  • JustJamesJustJames London
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    Why mess with it! James Bond defended by Bolton.

    Debate of sorts from a UK news channel from yesterday.

    A panel of idiots who know very little of the subject they were debating on. One of the women saying Bond was never written as white? :))

    To be fair, she’s the sane one, and what she actually said was ‘you don’t have to be white to be british’ which is true. She did get wrong that ‘it was never said that he was Irish or Scottish or whatever, I might be wrong’ but her point stands these days. It’s statistically more likely that a child of Scots and Swiss heritage raised in moneyed circumstances in Britain would be white, but it doesn’t discount other possibilities into the realm of unbelievability.

    I got a bit bored, so I haven’t seen what colonel mustard on the end says, but even the presenter isn’t exactly demonstrating much expertise, and the (ironically positioned) far right person is in for the outrage machine anyway. She was honestly just rattling off cliches that didn’t even exist in Bond in the Moore or Connery eras.
    Daft as a brush.

    You want to really make money? British Indian Bond. India quite likes the films you know.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited October 2023 Posts: 16,427
    I think Bond and Felix are identified as being white in LALD, but that's probably the only time. And yeah: these are adaptations anyway, it matters less now. It would be quite funny if the Delacroixs of Switzerland turned out to be of non-caucasian heritage. Why not?
    Let's not get into a tiresome 'can Bond be non-white' debate anyway, they never go well.
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    To be fair it is a legitimate discussion to have when it comes to the future of Bond (not the black lesbian nonsense, but simply the idea of whether or not Bond can be played by a non-white actor). Just on these forums alone we can see differing opinions on it. It’s a topic that can be interesting assuming there’s no mud slinging or racism involved.

    It’s not something that a channel like GB News with its limited segment time and vested interest in maintaining its ‘anti-woke’ audience can do justice. I don’t get the sense any of these guests know much about Bond. But honestly, that’s pretty common whenever I’ve seen this topic discussed on more mainstream outlets.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,152
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    The sequence we did get in SP was supposed to continue with a skimobile chase through the village and end with Bond 'confronting Hinx at a dam' according to the Empire 'making of' feature. Apparently it was scrapped because 'the water levels were uncertain and a huge vehicle ramp would have had to be built.' Ah well, again. That French CJB site had some artwork from it:

    Script-B24-17.jpg?resize=770%2C321
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    I wonder if we might ever get a villain who throws one of those medieval reenactments where people joust in full armour - it would admittedly be very contrived, but I could see Bond and villain engaged in a 'friendly' joust. Might be a bit Pierce Brosnan-era, though.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    I still remember reading about Charlotte King. She sounded like such a cool character and would've finally provided an element I was hoping for in the Craig-era: A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.
  • CharmianBondCharmianBond Pett Bottom, Kent
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    I wonder if we might ever get a villain who throws one of those medieval reenactments where people joust in full armour - it would admittedly be very contrived, but I could see Bond and villain engaged in a 'friendly' joust. Might be a bit Pierce Brosnan-era, though.

    If Higson had more time to write OHisMSS, Æthelstan forcing Bond into an actual medieval joust feels like something he would've done.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
    edited October 2023 Posts: 3,152
    Denbigh wrote: »
    A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.
    Agreed - absolutely!

  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    I still remember reading about Charlotte King. She sounded like such a cool character and would've finally provided an element I was hoping for in the Craig-era: A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.

    Yes, as much as I like Mr. Hinx, Charlotte King would be a great villain in the future. Just hopefully not a plot twist where she turns bad.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    The sequence we did get in SP was supposed to continue with a skimobile chase through the village and end with Bond 'confronting Hinx at a dam' according to the Empire 'making of' feature. Apparently it was scrapped because 'the water levels were uncertain and a huge vehicle ramp would have had to be built.' Ah well, again. That French CJB site had some artwork from it:

    Script-B24-17.jpg?resize=770%2C321

    A snowmobile chase I could get behind.
  • Posts: 2,165
    A “period” Bond film was initially discussed for TLD, as per The James Bond Archives.

    Set in 1972 (so not *that* period but not modern day at the time), it goes right back to Bond’s days as a lieutenant in the Royal Navy, and how he becomes recruited into MI6. The film ends with Bond being dispatched to Jamaica to investigate Dr No 🤯

    So its not like EoN havent looked at the idea before, perhaps not to the extent Nolan might be proposing.

    FWIW I am against the idea.

    MGW: “Cubby felt we shouldnt really look backwards”
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 2,165
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    I still remember reading about Charlotte King. She sounded like such a cool character and would've finally provided an element I was hoping for in the Craig-era: A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.

    On the original idea for Charlotte King thing, as per The James Bond Archives:

    Bond confronts SPECTRE’s leader Charlotte King - Blofeld’s daughter - in her radioactive volcano lair

    She later became a double crossing CIA agent. Elements of her role go to Mr Hinx.

    (Yes I am enjoying reading this book).

    Also, the idea of Bond having a daughter was mooted for Spectre as well, called Adrianna, though the way the book describes it, she would potentially be late teens or early 20s.
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    Mallory wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    Venutius wrote: »
    There was originally a ski chase in the SP script - it involved the CIA black ops agent that Bond had been undercover with (Charlotte King?) and who turned out to have been collaborating with Blofeld. It ended with Bond giving her 'an iconic facial wound', apparently. Mendes said that Dan just said 'Well, I don't ski' and vetoed it. Ah, well.
    I still remember reading about Charlotte King. She sounded like such a cool character and would've finally provided an element I was hoping for in the Craig-era: A proper femme-fatale henchwoman who remains a villain till the end. Such a missed opportunity. I hope we get one in Bond 26. Fiona Volpe and Xenia Onatopp are two of my all time favourite characters within the franchise.
    Bond confronts SPECTRE’s leader Charlotte King - Blofeld’s daughter - in her radioactive volcano lair
    Oh I didn't even remember that. I do think the double crossing CIA agent would've been the more interesting of the two. I'm not huge fan of family stuff in James Bond, looking at you Franz Oberhauser.

    I do find it interesting that they had a few drafts with a femme-fatale henchwoman before abandoning all of them. One of the drafts even included an alternate version of Irma Bunt, who would've been the one holding Madeleine hostage at the MI6 building. If I remember correctly, Madeleine and Irma would've fallen onto the net that we saw in the film, before it breaks and Irma falls to her death.
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  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited October 2023 Posts: 9,509
    The SAG-AFTRA talks have broken down and have been suspended.

    Further disruption to the film industry, and my project has been pushed to a spring start.

    This has been ugly, continues to be ugly, and the reprucussions of these strikes is already being felt with delayed releases, delayed production starts, productions that have been killed and will never see the light of day, and streamers have cut budgets and are green-lighting far less.

    Bond, like other big projects are in a holding pattern.
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    Damn!
    Those are really bad news…
  • edited October 2023 Posts: 2,161
    Excellent post @Mendes4Lyfe . I do realize that I'm a page or two late.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Univex wrote: »
    Damn!
    Those are really bad news…

    It really is.

    The WGA just ratified, what, two days ago, and the actors are still on strike. Yet still we hear grumblings from fans that EoN should be shooting through preproduction.

    Talk to Superman: Legacy, a hotly anticipated project. They've delayed filming until Spring, and one has to feel they will no longer meet their release date (they haven't changed the date yet, hoping that they can still squeak into this space; once shooting starts, I all but guarantee the date will get pushed).

    My ten million dollar project has been pushed, but thankfully, for now, the cast we had attached is staying on, although finding a male lead during SAG's strike has been a challenge (mostly due to SAG's incompetence with the interim agreement).

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    @peter I hope everything will work out for you and everyone involved in the project. Though I’m not connected to the industry at all, I take it all very seriously knowing so much money and livelihoods are at stake.
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    Yeah, I mirror @FoxRox wishes, @peter. Hope everything will work out.

    Btw, and because i too am a few pages late, hell of a post @Mendes4Lyfe. Well said.
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    The next Bond adventure will be completely CGI with Sean Connery at the rate the strike talks are going.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    edited October 2023 Posts: 9,509
    FoxRox wrote: »
    @peter I hope everything will work out for you and everyone involved in the project. Though I’m not connected to the industry at all, I take it all very seriously knowing so much money and livelihoods are at stake.

    @FoxRox and @Univex , very nice of you to say and thank you!

    I think we are safe because my producer, who I call, "my own Barbra Broccoli" is a savvy and respected executive. She has kept us functioning, the cast loves her, and she's re-steucturing a successful shoot in Spring. I'm very lucky to have her, and during the rollercoaster of the last few weeks, when I thought we may be dead, she's pulled miracles and bunny rabbits from her hat.

    But I know, or have heard about, no less than two dozen projects that lost their financing during this time. Maybe one or two will be able to crawl out of the grave.

    This number of dead projects will only increase.

    It's really sad, because this isn't just about the writers, or just about the actors, it's about the Below Line Talent that are suffering (location crews, scouts, hair and makeup, wardrobe, crafts services, set designers and builders....). The majority of these guys haven't had a real pay check in almost six months!!! Imagine the stress, and these are the unsung heroes which bring together all the movie magic; behind every Tom Cruise, or Daniel Craig, is an army of anonymous people that make these guys look good!
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    Ah that's a kick in the teeth, sorry to hear that Peter.
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