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I’m often confused by what this person posts, 🤷♂️…
I mean, not really sure how any of that is bad writing though. If anything it shows a good understanding of the type of decisions Bond makes as a character, both in the films and especially the Fleming novels (he’s not an overly elaborate tactical agent who’s always three steps ahead like an Ethan Hunt, Jack Reacher, or even Jason Bourne - often times he’s prone to making quite bold, sudden, or even rash decisions, often in order to simply move things along or put him and the villain on an even playing field). That and M dying is pretty significant from a story perspective, and it’s very much a character driven final act as well… ironically I’m not even sure if the last act was even a P&W idea or fully written by them anyway… so yeah, not sure how it’s a negative in terms of writing beyond personal dislike.
I think I'd like them to be involved, but they seem to be much stronger writers when a Haggis or Logan is lighting a fire under them, so to speak. They know Fleming, which is vital in my opinion.
I do hope Bond 26 and the next era is not as self-referential in general. I don't know whether that's Purvis and Wade, producers or whoever but I think they need to a sense of freshness to proceedings, while retaining that Bondian essence.
Make new iconic moments not redo past ones.
You can say the same about TMWTGG. ;)
You can, but you'd be wrong.
I think that's fair, but it also makes sense: you would certainly hope that bringing other writers' contributions would strengthen any script rather than weaken it.
You can do, and honestly I actually like the conversation Bond and Scaramanga have at the lunch table. The duel in the fun house is a great idea too.
I think the issues with it for me are that the Solex never feels very weighty as a McGuffin, neither in terms of what it actually does (not always a problem mind) nor in terms of how characters react to it. Scaramanga uses it for a relatively primitive laser and claims he’s not much of a scientist. It’s of limited interest to him and provides no additional stakes because he’s going to do nothing consequential with it. Once Bond kills him the film becomes a bit boring with him simply needing to retrieve it (there’s an arbitrary countdown that Bond comes up with to the base exploding I suppose, but it never feels very weighty) and Goodnight’s comedic bumbling is used to put some sort of significant obstacle in Bond’s way. You then get a very odd final scene with Nick Nack (a henchman so overtly mismatched against Bond and one who in this scenario is given no significant advantage) played for laughs because it’s so low stakes.
It’s a film with some cool ideas, but the writing lets it down in my opinion.
No, it's the same!
Everybody is stupid in Sykfall. M, Bond, Moneypeny, Q...
And the Macguffin is useless too!
There’s a difference there too. We actually learn the consequences of the list being leaked, and it adds to M’s conflict/character. We’ve seen one agent die during the PTS as well as Bond and M’s reaction to it. We get a sense that lives are at stake.
Another difference is SF prioritises story and character slightly over the dry mechanics of plot, so once the list is leaked/it stops fuelling what characters do it’s dropped. Honestly, it’s a good decision as by that point we’re on the way to learning who Silva is/his past with M. The Solex just grinds the film to a halt during the climax of TMWTGG for me.
It seems like this may be the case and I just missed the subtle confirmation. I still thought EON were in the creatuve direction stage and not at script writing.
Purvis and Wade were interviewed on BBC Radio 4 in December and said they don't know what's happening with Bond 26.
“We don’t know, we’ve not talked to the producers about it. In fact, when we see them, it’s the one thing we don’t talk about. They’ve kind of been thinking of other things a bit.”
However, at the end of the interview with Dr. Nicola Fox (Head of Science at NASA) Purvis and Wade said, “If Bond ever goes into space again, we’ll come and pick your brains about it all.”
I think they were just speaking generally and doesn't necessarily mean anything, but they do sort of contradict themselves at the end there.
I would guess you're right on your assumption that no script has been written.
But I find it hard to believe what P and W said in that interview. After all, if they have been working with EoN on ideas for direction and stories, are they going to admit that they are, and invite all kinds of queries?
Or, as is probably the case (if they're chatting with EoN), they've signed an NDA. In other words, they're legally bound to keep their mouths shut.
And Moneypenny is Mary Goodnight!
You only type out one- or two-sentence opinions, rarely an actual argument or a more fleshed-out explanation. Others compose full comments, you answer with "x is bad" or "so-and-so was done wrong." You are becoming a broken record. If you want to participate, please deliver more than just your opinion pretending it is objective truth. Thank you.
Amen to this. I am so tired of the umpteenth "Honey coming out of the ocean" and "Jill getting killed in gold" reference. (I could also do without the Aston Martin--YMMV.)
Give us new and exciting iconic moments!
Fleming did it too. Scaramanga eating the snake comes to mind.
My opinion is my opinion. I don't need to say this. It's obvious.
That's three sentences, which is a good start.
Don't know about that. Nobody Lives Forever is a completely different story to anything we've gotten because it's a story with Bond on the defensive. No Deals Mr. Bond is an espionage thriller that goes beyond the simply smuggling/money/Macguffin theme that others like TLD, OP and FYEO have. In that story Bond is trying to save British human assets, except is one is a traitor. And out of Benson's work there is High Time to Kill: we've seen Bond go down mountains but never up one. A rush between Bond and other agents up a mountain to find a MacGuffin is a pretty well done bog-standard Bond plot we've never seen before.
Yes agreed, I also can't have a conversation with someone who just states their opinion as a fact (always a contrary one, funnily enough) and gives no reasoning. So I don't ;)
Is it a fact though?
Is it a fact though?[/quote]
I hope it's fact but I suspect it's not.
On the other hand, Nolan may have presented an Idea, and with the help of his brother, the first draft of a script. Contracts have been signed and they are waiting for the right time to announce. 😉