Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    peter wrote: »
    We want another Bond movie. That's all.

    Bingo.

    Who on this site, doesn’t want a new Bond film, @DEKE_RIVERS ??

    Edit: thanks @BMB007

    Edit No. 2: @LucknFate … it was something like “shooting bullets”, or “winter bullets”— something along those lines

    "Bullets for Winter"
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    peter wrote: »
    We want another Bond movie. That's all.

    Bingo.

    Who on this site, doesn’t want a new Bond film, @DEKE_RIVERS ??

    Edit: thanks @BMB007

    Edit No. 2: @LucknFate … it was something like “shooting bullets”, or “winter bullets”— something along those lines

    "Bullets for Winter"

    That’s it (for someone who hates coming up with titles, I like this one).

    @LucknFate is there a shell company with this name?
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 15 Posts: 8,403
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
    edited February 15 Posts: 4,638
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    We want another Bond movie. That's all.

    Bingo.

    Who on this site, doesn’t want a new Bond film, @DEKE_RIVERS ??

    Edit: thanks @BMB007

    Edit No. 2: @LucknFate … it was something like “shooting bullets”, or “winter bullets”— something along those lines

    "Bullets for Winter"

    That’s it (for someone who hates coming up with titles, I like this one).

    @LucknFate is there a shell company with this name?

    I agree about coming up with titles. For Bond titles, I find using die or kill is more often than not a Bond stereotype. Also, when I came to the site today, I thought we did get an announcement. Based on the many new posts, here.
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    For once, I fully agree with you. We just need patience.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    Just from reading this site you must be aware that even here people are divided about what they want from Bond. There isn't one dominant opinion.
  • Posts: 1,369
    peter wrote: »
    We want another Bond movie. That's all.

    Bingo.

    Who on this site, doesn’t want a new Bond film, @DEKE_RIVERS ??

    I don't now. Wanting news is now a bad thing.

  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    Bullets For Winter is such a cool title
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    peter wrote: »
    We want another Bond movie. That's all.

    Bingo.

    Who on this site, doesn’t want a new Bond film, @DEKE_RIVERS ??

    I don't now. Wanting news is now a bad thing.

    Makes absolute sense @DEKE_RIVERS … Having an inferiority complex isn’t a great way to tackle life btw. Neither is trolling.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,403
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    Just from reading this site you must be aware that even here people are divided about what they want from Bond. There isn't one dominant opinion.

    I simply disagree. Especially after Bond 25/SP there was a major feeling of fatigue with all the sentimentality and just wanting standalone missions back, without the connected stories, the scooby gang, etc. And more humour and lightness added back in. I'm not saying everyone agrees, but certainly a majority agree on that at least.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    Just from reading this site you must be aware that even here people are divided about what they want from Bond. There isn't one dominant opinion.

    I simply disagree. Especially after Bond 25/SP there was a major feeling of fatigue with all the sentimentality and just wanting standalone missions back, without the connected stories, the scooby gang, etc. And more humour and lightness added back in. I'm not saying everyone agrees, but certainly a majority agree on that at least.

    Jesus, seriously?? Please show me numbers of worldwide audiences, who spent $775 million in box office receipts, during COVID, are the majority you’re speaking of.

    The box office numbers contradict your claims.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    I think some of you need to start ignoring each other, or take the endless bickering to your pm's.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,403
    peter wrote: »
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    Just from reading this site you must be aware that even here people are divided about what they want from Bond. There isn't one dominant opinion.

    I simply disagree. Especially after Bond 25/SP there was a major feeling of fatigue with all the sentimentality and just wanting standalone missions back, without the connected stories, the scooby gang, etc. And more humour and lightness added back in. I'm not saying everyone agrees, but certainly a majority agree on that at least.

    Jesus, seriously?? Please show me numbers of worldwide audiences, who spent $775 million in box office receipts, during COVID, are the majority you’re speaking of.

    The box office numbers contradict your claims.

    Rise of Skywalker made over a billion, doesn't mean the majority of fans were happy with it.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    peter wrote: »
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    Just from reading this site you must be aware that even here people are divided about what they want from Bond. There isn't one dominant opinion.

    I simply disagree. Especially after Bond 25/SP there was a major feeling of fatigue with all the sentimentality and just wanting standalone missions back, without the connected stories, the scooby gang, etc. And more humour and lightness added back in. I'm not saying everyone agrees, but certainly a majority agree on that at least.

    Jesus, seriously?? Please show me numbers of worldwide audiences, who spent $775 million in box office receipts, during COVID, are the majority you’re speaking of.

    The box office numbers contradict your claims.

    Rise of Skywalker made over a billion, doesn't mean the majority of fans were happy with it.

    Show me your data, @Mendes4Lyfe .

    You’re speaking off the top of your head, that’s it. Nothing you say is based in fact, outside of your own opinion. As far as I know, you’re a fan of Bond. You don’t work in the film industry. You’re loaded with an opinion and nothing to back it up with.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited February 15 Posts: 8,403
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    Just from reading this site you must be aware that even here people are divided about what they want from Bond. There isn't one dominant opinion.

    I simply disagree. Especially after Bond 25/SP there was a major feeling of fatigue with all the sentimentality and just wanting standalone missions back, without the connected stories, the scooby gang, etc. And more humour and lightness added back in. I'm not saying everyone agrees, but certainly a majority agree on that at least.

    Jesus, seriously?? Please show me numbers of worldwide audiences, who spent $775 million in box office receipts, during COVID, are the majority you’re speaking of.

    The box office numbers contradict your claims.

    Rise of Skywalker made over a billion, doesn't mean the majority of fans were happy with it.

    Show me your data, @Mendes4Lyfe .

    You’re speaking off the top of your head, that’s it. Nothing you say is based in fact, outside of your own opinion. As far as I know, you’re a fan of Bond. You don’t work in the film industry. You’re loaded with an opinion and nothing to back it up with.

    Why would I have to work in the film industry to know SP/B25 weren't received well by general audiences?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,978
    I think some of you need to start ignoring each other, or take the endless bickering to your pm's.

    Sentiments I've been feeling for a week or two now. Some of you should try and avoid one another and stop responding to every comment that's made.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    peter wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    Just from reading this site you must be aware that even here people are divided about what they want from Bond. There isn't one dominant opinion.

    I simply disagree. Especially after Bond 25/SP there was a major feeling of fatigue with all the sentimentality and just wanting standalone missions back, without the connected stories, the scooby gang, etc. And more humour and lightness added back in. I'm not saying everyone agrees, but certainly a majority agree on that at least.

    Jesus, seriously?? Please show me numbers of worldwide audiences, who spent $775 million in box office receipts, during COVID, are the majority you’re speaking of.

    The box office numbers contradict your claims.

    Rise of Skywalker made over a billion, doesn't mean the majority of fans were happy with it.

    Show me your data, @Mendes4Lyfe .

    You’re speaking off the top of your head, that’s it. Nothing you say is based in fact, outside of your own opinion. As far as I know, you’re a fan of Bond. You don’t work in the film industry. You’re loaded with an opinion and nothing to back it up with.

    Why would I have to work in the film industry to know SP/B25 weren't received well by general fans?

    Because you have absolutely zero perspective, @Mendes4Lyfe !

    Show me the data you have.

    You have nothing but your own echo chamber of a few anonymous people on a fan site.

    As has been warned, @Mendes4Lyfe , we should take this into the PMs, and I'll be happy to further discuss the fallacy of your (arrogant) assumptions and declarations.
  • edited February 15 Posts: 1,369
    Remember, DAD made a lot of money.

    Sometimes changes are necessary.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Remember, DAD made a lot of money.

    Sometimes changes are necessary.

    Indeed.
  • peterpeter Toronto
    Posts: 9,509
    Remember, DAD made a lot of money.

    Sometimes changes are necessary.

    Indeed.

    @DEKE_RIVERS and @Mendes4Lyfe , you've been asked to take it to PMs, and I'll be happy to continue this "discussion", and I'll try and:

    a) translate the fascinating thoughts that fly out of Deke's brain, and;

    b) discuss, in depth, the imaginary data Mendes uses to prop his opinions (opinions you have every right to hold, just don't state it as a fact, or a majority thinks as you do).

    But neither of younwill show up in my PM's, will you? You both need an audience to spout to.

    But I'll be waiting to chat with both of you.
  • Posts: 1,999
    This Bond fan is owed nothing, entitled to nothing. If another Bond film is never made, so be it. I will be disappointed but it will be beyond my control. But there are things in life I look forward to. Among them are new Bond films and novels, so it is natural to hope word will come of a new development. Because of my interest in film, I go to Deadline.com and Empireonline.com to find out what is going on in the film world. Lots of news about all sorts of different projects in various stages of development. I do the same for football, automobiles, and all sorts of other interests. I seek out news based on my interests. If there is no news, I can respond to that however I wish, rationally or irrationally. I can be critical of EON if I choose to be, whether my criticism is fair or unfair, sensible or not. I don't need a lecture about how things work or that I should be grateful for what I've had and to pipe down until there is something substantive posted. That I don't have a clue when the next Bond film will be released in no way invalidates my opinions. Yes, there is a whole lot on this site that is redundant. I have certainly contributed more than my share of repetitive blarney. Speculating about what EON is thinking is no doubt an exercise in futility, but so is speculating about which teams will be playing in next year's Superbowl. So, while I am entitled to nothing and owed nothing, I have the right to criticize, ask for, and even demand whatever I like, whether anything is realized or not. A pointless was waste of time? This is a fan site for a fictional character. What isn't?
  • edited February 15 Posts: 6,709
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Bullets For Winter is such a cool title

    Isn’t it? I love it.

    Can you imagine if they did end up using that title? We would’ve known the true title of Bond26 for years :)
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,187
    Univex wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Bullets For Winter is such a cool title

    Isn’t it? I love it.

    Can you imagine if they did end up using that title? We would’ve known the true title of Bond26 for years :)

    I can see it already: BFW. Seriously, I like that title.
  • LucknFateLucknFate 007 In New York
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    From what I can determine, the IMDB page for Bond 26 had that title "Bullets for Winter" at one point. But as we all know, IMDB is not reliable. I can't find any other source for that title. I think this is the most sober take on it I've found: https://hmssweblog.wordpress.com/2023/09/24/bond-26-listing-shows-up-on-imdb/
  • edited February 15 Posts: 4,170
    When Casino Royale came out the producers had to take bold swings to kick off the self-parody accusations from DAD. It was all about reinvention, breaking the character down to its core components and building him up from scratch, in a new 21st century world. Today, I don't think any kind of major reinvention or brave new take on the character is needed at all. From what I gather, fans just want a classic bond adventure, something they were deprived of in the truest sense during the Craig era due to the insistence on "thinking outside the box". People are sick to death of the personal stories, going rogue, bond and M fighting, "old ways are the best", Bond cradling dead allies, and other such Craigism's, and they want to see the role played with a bit more humour and lightness of touch, a bit more fun, but other than that they don't need to dramatically rethink the series, or try to reinvent the wheel. People just want bond to be Bond again, just like before.

    I’d say it’s worth asking what a ‘classic Bond adventure’ is. After all the character has been adapted for film so many times now - reinvented you could say. I mean, FRWL and DN are very different adventures to GF and yet both are generally considered classic Bond films/adventures. CR and SF are, for many viewers, actually their only frame of reference for Bond. Tropes certainly exist with Bond, but how they’re used can be very different dependent on the film.

    As @sandbagger1 pointed out even fans are divided about what exactly they want. Hey, I haven’t always liked everything about these films, but as a fan I can say the Craig era gave me two of my personal favourite Bond films, and 5 which I’ll happily revisit and think about. And the truth is general viewers don’t think about Bond as much as we do. Tell a casual viewer you’re annoyed at ‘the Scooby gang’ and they’d look at you oddly. They’d probably (if they could) be able to only think of one film where the regular MI6 team join and help Bond in a hands on way by the end (and honestly, they wouldn’t be wrong). Tell them you’re annoyed about ‘personal’ stories and maybe some would agree, and others wouldn’t. I can only go from how people I know (who aren’t fans) responded to the Craig era, and while everyone has their own take I’ve honestly seen more positive than negative. I actually know many who don’t like older Bond films who actually really got into Craig’s era.
  • Posts: 6,709
    They sometimes use the “ice/winter” theme for temporary titles, don’t they?

    Beyond the ice, anyone? ;)

    Bullets for Winter is a very juicy, pulp, spy novelesque title. Love it!
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    Univex wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Bullets For Winter is such a cool title

    Isn’t it? I love it.

    Can you imagine if they did end up using that title? We would’ve known the true title of Bond26 for years :)

    I can see it already: BFW. Seriously, I like that title.

    BFW, yeah, I can see that ;)
    https://www.acronymfinder.com/Slang/BFW.html
  • Posts: 1,999
    Bond is like music. Every generation likes its own. I couldn't expect young people to be aware of or like the original Bond films. Almost like showing a 40s black and white classic these days. Not their era.

    But we're seeing films with so much over the top CGI action these days, it might be all that is wearing thin. It's getting harder to go places that are new. It might be, just might be possible, a smaller, tighter film more focused on story than effects may have something to offer. The train sequence in MI was spectacular, but now we've seen it, what will be the next fix?
  • Posts: 1,999
    BFW. The imagery doesn't work for me. But, if Winter were a last name, then......
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
    Posts: 2,641
    Univex wrote: »
    Jordo007 wrote: »
    Bullets For Winter is such a cool title

    Isn’t it? I love it.

    Can you imagine if they did end up using that title? We would’ve known the true title of Bond26 for years :)

    It'd be mad wouldn't it? Knowing the title for so long. It feels very Fleming like it could have been a chapter title
  • Posts: 6,709
    I agree with your second idea, @CrabKey, my friend. Very much so. A tighter, narrative driven film would do wonders for the series and cinema in general.

    As for the first point, I don’t know. I happen to prefer the original 4 films of the series to anything my generation of films have offered me, even to, say, GE or CR or SF. Same goes for music, btw, which for me is 16th to 19th century classic, jazz, bossa nova, and then a great number of things from the earlier half of the last century. Same goes for art in general, being that I’m not the biggest neo modernist. I did enjoy surrealism. I really don’t identify much with my generation, actually, and that was one of the many things that attracted me to Bond.
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