Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • edited March 28 Posts: 3,327
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    A youtuber? That's an even worse source than The Sun. lol.

    I'm hoping EON have been keeping extremely tight-lipped about what work is being done behind the scenes - script, casting, hiring, etc. to the extent that even people in the industry and on that grapevine are not aware of it (looking at you @peter ;) )

    Then EON spring a huge surprise on all of us at some point this year. My champagne is on ice, cork ready to be popped open.
  • George_KaplanGeorge_Kaplan Being chauffeured by Tibbett
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    As it happens, for the last five months I've been on medication for panic attacks, and believe it not, not one of them was triggered by lack of Bond 26 news.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Another youtuber, this time Robert Meyers Burnett, has categorised the difference between Denis villeneuve and Christopher Nolan as such: "one is a lover (romantic) and speaks French, the other is a thinker". I like this, and I suppose by that distinction Villeneuve should be the next Bond director over of Nolan. Bond is a lot more about romance and playfulness than it is about cold hard reason. Inspite of the high concept nature of his movies, I don't actually think Nolan has much of an imagination, ironically. He had a film which took place almost entirely in someone's dreams and the best climax he could think of was to recreate piz Gloria from OHMSS.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    A youtuber? That's an even worse source than The Sun. lol.

    I'm hoping EON have been keeping extremely tight-lipped about what work is being done behind the scenes - script, casting, hiring, etc. to the extent that even people in the industry and on that grapevine are not aware of it (looking at you @peter ;) )

    Then EON spring a huge surprise on all of us at some point this year. My champagne is on ice, cork ready to be popped open.

    I’m merely playing sleuth with any tidbits I can pick up, @jetsetwilly !! In the same mold as Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther, just bumbling about my days, 😂!!

  • Posts: 1,336
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    Oh yes, YouTube. The source of truth. The new religion. YouTubers, my friend, know nothing. Unless they do. But most often they don't. It's a wasteland of empty speculation, wishful thinking and gossip. What matters is what they actually (don't) know, not how convincingly they report on it. My advice to you, @Mendes4Lyfe: don't look to YouTube for any news at this point. You'll only be wasting perfectly good digital energy.

    Panicking? You're taking this thing far too seriously, mate. I wasn't panicking when the lead actress from Body Of Evidence somehow managed to star in a Bond film. I wasn't panicking when Alicia Keys blurted 'Bang! Bang!'. I wasn't even panicking when the world locked down and NTTD was put back in the fridge. If the absence of Bond-related news causes panick in you, I sure hope your neighbours never decide to mow their lawn early in the morning. I mean... "panick"... that's a little extreme.

    If you're starving for anything Bond, anything at all, there are over two dozen perfectly enjoyable Bond films for you to sit through. Read your Flemings again. Page through some of the many really good books on the subject of Bond. That should keep you going for a while.

    Or they can make another Bond movie.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'm not clued up on this department admittedly, so forgive my naivety, but I do hope whenever Bond 26 begins production it has a "finished script".

    I know scripts for these films are constantly in a state of flux, but when you read about Casino and Skyfall it sounded like they had a relatively finished script they were shooting, Casino in particular. It showed in the final film in my opinion

    With QOS and SP I understand they were in hurry to get filming, but when I heard NTTD was being rewritten constantly and scenes were being thrashed out the night before, it made me think well why? They had long enough before Danny Boyle came along and then another delay when Fukunaga came on board to at least finish the script to some degree.

    My point being, after this wait I hope we don't hear "Bond 26 is being written" while they're shooting or "it's not a finished script"

    @peter would have a lot more insight on this I'm certain
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    After mulling it over alot, and seeing the reception Dune part 2 is getting, it does seem like Denis Villeneuve could be THE director of the 2020's. I'm officially sold on him directing Bond 26, as I believe he would bring back the world of Bond that existed in the 60's and 70's thanks to Ken Adam. He seems to have a real passion for the movies, but also the ability to reformulate an established brand in his own vision, as we saw with Bladerunner. I just hope he can bring some joy, and make a movie that's fun to watch which none of the Craig films were after Casino Royale. I think most people have missed that fantasy aspect as an essential ingredient in the cocktail, and personally I would still say Edgar Wright is the best option, but Villeneuve ticks alot of boxes too.

    My perfect Bond 26 would be a version of the moonraker novel but filmed in the grand epic scope of Lewis Gilbert's moonraker, and Villeneuve would probably be ideal for that.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    Oh yes, YouTube. The source of truth. The new religion. YouTubers, my friend, know nothing. Unless they do. But most often they don't. It's a wasteland of empty speculation, wishful thinking and gossip. What matters is what they actually (don't) know, not how convincingly they report on it. My advice to you, @Mendes4Lyfe: don't look to YouTube for any news at this point. You'll only be wasting perfectly good digital energy.

    Panicking? You're taking this thing far too seriously, mate. I wasn't panicking when the lead actress from Body Of Evidence somehow managed to star in a Bond film. I wasn't panicking when Alicia Keys blurted 'Bang! Bang!'. I wasn't even panicking when the world locked down and NTTD was put back in the fridge. If the absence of Bond-related news causes panick in you, I sure hope your neighbours never decide to mow their lawn early in the morning. I mean... "panick"... that's a little extreme.

    If you're starving for anything Bond, anything at all, there are over two dozen perfectly enjoyable Bond films for you to sit through. Read your Flemings again. Page through some of the many really good books on the subject of Bond. That should keep you going for a while.

    Or they can make another Bond movie.

    Or not. What if they don't? More panick?
  • Posts: 4,137
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Glad to see that someone else agrees Jared Leto is a bad actor (and human being, sounds like). Denis is known for his slow style as well. It happens, it happens, is how I see it. Same with Nolan. I do think Bond needs a change in style and writing namely, with this new era.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 28 Posts: 8,395
    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Yeah, I think Villeneuve has that style, which is essential to Bond, and what's been missing in recent years. Forster and Mendes just couldn't pull it off, and Fukunaga tried his best, but it was like steering the titanic out of the icefield, just too little too late. I actually watched moonraker just the other day, and I was amazed how much it reminded me of a Villeneuve film in a strange way. Just the way of composing shots, scenes, it's such a lush feeling film. If EON want to split the difference, and have a lush, rich feeling film, but still grounded, I think that CAN keep both sides of the fandom happy. Again, I think this is what fukunaga tried to do, but he just had too much baggage to deal with so it turned into a mess, whereas Villeneuve will have a completely blank canvas.
  • Posts: 1,336
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    Oh yes, YouTube. The source of truth. The new religion. YouTubers, my friend, know nothing. Unless they do. But most often they don't. It's a wasteland of empty speculation, wishful thinking and gossip. What matters is what they actually (don't) know, not how convincingly they report on it. My advice to you, @Mendes4Lyfe: don't look to YouTube for any news at this point. You'll only be wasting perfectly good digital energy.

    Panicking? You're taking this thing far too seriously, mate. I wasn't panicking when the lead actress from Body Of Evidence somehow managed to star in a Bond film. I wasn't panicking when Alicia Keys blurted 'Bang! Bang!'. I wasn't even panicking when the world locked down and NTTD was put back in the fridge. If the absence of Bond-related news causes panick in you, I sure hope your neighbours never decide to mow their lawn early in the morning. I mean... "panick"... that's a little extreme.

    If you're starving for anything Bond, anything at all, there are over two dozen perfectly enjoyable Bond films for you to sit through. Read your Flemings again. Page through some of the many really good books on the subject of Bond. That should keep you going for a while.

    Or they can make another Bond movie.

    Or not. What if they don't? More panick?

    Yes.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    Oh yes, YouTube. The source of truth. The new religion. YouTubers, my friend, know nothing. Unless they do. But most often they don't. It's a wasteland of empty speculation, wishful thinking and gossip. What matters is what they actually (don't) know, not how convincingly they report on it. My advice to you, @Mendes4Lyfe: don't look to YouTube for any news at this point. You'll only be wasting perfectly good digital energy.

    Panicking? You're taking this thing far too seriously, mate. I wasn't panicking when the lead actress from Body Of Evidence somehow managed to star in a Bond film. I wasn't panicking when Alicia Keys blurted 'Bang! Bang!'. I wasn't even panicking when the world locked down and NTTD was put back in the fridge. If the absence of Bond-related news causes panick in you, I sure hope your neighbours never decide to mow their lawn early in the morning. I mean... "panick"... that's a little extreme.

    If you're starving for anything Bond, anything at all, there are over two dozen perfectly enjoyable Bond films for you to sit through. Read your Flemings again. Page through some of the many really good books on the subject of Bond. That should keep you going for a while.

    Or they can make another Bond movie.

    Or not. What if they don't? More panick?

    They can sell the rights.
  • edited March 28 Posts: 4,137
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Glad to see that someone else agrees Jared Leto is a bad actor (and human being, sounds like). Denis is known for his slow style as well. It happens, it happens, is how I see it. Same with Nolan. I do think Bond needs a change in style and writing namely, with this new era.

    He does seem like an odd person, doesn't he? His performance in Blade Runner was even weirder than I remember it. There's such a disconnect between his black Devil suit/beard and the lights constantly dimming in and out, and then his bizarre nasal delivery and hammy facial expressions. It was actually kind of funny.

    Yes, Villeneuve's slow style is a thing. Another film I caught recently this month on TV was TSWLM, and one thing that struck me about it was just how fast but well paced it was. The PTS even gets a joke in through a well timed and quick cut while efficiently setting up all the story elements ("Tell him to pull out", haha). I'm not saying that Bond films need to be breathless (ie. QOS) but it would be nice to see maybe a crisper pace in a modern Bond film that evokes the early movies. The stylistic trend in the latter Craig movies did seem to be drifting towards some consciously longer takes and some slower scenes between the action etc. Not a bad thing incidentally.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Yeah, I think Villeneuve has that style, which is essential to Bond, and what's been missing in recent years. Forster and Mendes just couldn't pull it off, and Fukunaga tried his best, but it was like steering the titanic out of the icefield, just too little too late. I actually watched moonraker just the other day, and I was amazed how much it reminded me of a Villeneuve film in a strange way. Just the way of composing shots, scenes, it's such a lush feeling film. If EON want to split the difference, and have a lush, rich feeling film, but still grounded, I think that CAN keep both sides of the fandom happy. Again, I think this is what fukunaga tried to do, but he just had too much baggage to deal with so it turned into a mess, whereas Villeneuve will have a completely blank canvas.

    Gilbert's directing does impress me whenever I rewatch his Bond movies. Such a breath of fresh air especially when you compare it to the comparatively cheaper looking (and less well made) Moore era Guy Hamilton films, which by comparison have pacing issues.

    I think Mendes understood Bond the best out of the modern directors (I'd say even more than Campbell by the way). The style for me is very much there in SF, and even in SP while there are decisions I don't always agree with, I can't deny there's just that Bondian flair that gets me invested (ie. the long take during SP's PTS is actually quite pointless when you think about it, but seeing Craig walk to that version of the Bond theme and the design of the Day of The Dead festival is just so damn cool I can forgive it).

    Fukunaga is a very accomplished director, and very visually orientated (he began as a cinematographer I believe) but his approach to action sequences in particular defaulted to heightened visuals and choreography (ie. the long take during the stair shootout, or the constantly moving camera during the Cuba sequences) rather than the heightened reality you see with Mendes or Martin Campbell. It's very watchable, but it's not the most Bondian approach to me, and feels a bit surface level sometimes. Villeneuve by comparison can maintain tension even with quite visually impressive scenes (he reminds me a bit of Mendes in that sense). I just wish he had a faster pace to some of his films.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I'm not clued up on this department admittedly, so forgive my naivety, but I do hope whenever Bond 26 begins production it has a "finished script".

    I know scripts for these films are constantly in a state of flux, but when you read about Casino and Skyfall it sounded like they had a relatively finished script they were shooting, Casino in particular. It showed in the final film in my opinion

    With QOS and SP I understand they were in hurry to get filming, but when I heard NTTD was being rewritten constantly and scenes were being thrashed out the night before, it made me think well why? They had long enough before Danny Boyle came along and then another delay when Fukunaga came on board to at least finish the script to some degree.

    My point being, after this wait I hope we don't hear "Bond 26 is being written" while they're shooting or "it's not a finished script"

    @peter would have a lot more insight on this I'm certain

    I think the long and short answer is: tent pole films are constantly being written. Right up to editing (there may be new lines written in post via ADR, or an editor and director may cut a scene in a way that re-jigs dialogue). It’s a constant process of improving the scene, improving the story.

    Yes, each film has a “locked” script, but “locked” is a loose term, and many scenes will be tinkered with for any number of reasons (locations changed, we are now shooting INT. vs EXT., a set piece has been changed, a new actor has been cast, the lead actor hates the dialogue in a scene, the director comes up with an idea…).

    It all comes down to execution, but this is a constant. Even the project I’m on (a 10 million dollar feature— small potatoes compared to Bond and the like), I will be needed on set everyday incase something in the script needs to be finessed, or an outright scene rewrite needs to be done, and fast….

    I hope that helps @Jordo007 ?

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    The only solid bit of reliable news comes at the end of each Bond film. As for the bloggers, Tik-Tokkers, Tubers, Tabs, etc, views and sales. Anything to make a dollar.
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    CrabKey wrote: »
    The only solid bit of reliable news comes at the end of each Bond film. As for the bloggers, Tik-Tokkers, Tubers, Tabs, etc, views and sales. Anything to make a dollar.

    Yep, 💯.
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    Not to say there's anything wrong with Bond fans who are YouTubers (or whatever) who give their opinions or even make their own predictions. Just so long as they're not claiming that they have some sort of 'scoop' from some sort of insider that will come true (it never does), and they're upfront that a) they ultimately don't know what will happen for sure with the next Bond film at the moment and b) aren't pulling stuff out of their a*ses and claiming that thing is definitely the case.
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    peter wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    A youtuber? That's an even worse source than The Sun. lol.

    I'm hoping EON have been keeping extremely tight-lipped about what work is being done behind the scenes - script, casting, hiring, etc. to the extent that even people in the industry and on that grapevine are not aware of it (looking at you @peter ;) )

    Then EON spring a huge surprise on all of us at some point this year. My champagne is on ice, cork ready to be popped open.

    I’m merely playing sleuth with any tidbits I can pick up, @jetsetwilly !! In the same mold as Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther, just bumbling about my days, 😂!!

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  • peterpeter Toronto
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    peter wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    A youtuber? That's an even worse source than The Sun. lol.

    I'm hoping EON have been keeping extremely tight-lipped about what work is being done behind the scenes - script, casting, hiring, etc. to the extent that even people in the industry and on that grapevine are not aware of it (looking at you @peter ;) )

    Then EON spring a huge surprise on all of us at some point this year. My champagne is on ice, cork ready to be popped open.

    I’m merely playing sleuth with any tidbits I can pick up, @jetsetwilly !! In the same mold as Peter Sellers in the Pink Panther, just bumbling about my days, 😂!!

    giphy.gif

    😂 😂 😂!!
  • edited March 28 Posts: 2,266
    007HallY wrote: »
    Not to say there's anything wrong with Bond fans who are YouTubers (or whatever) who give their opinions or even make their own predictions. Just so long as they're not claiming that they have some sort of 'scoop' from some sort of insider that will come true (it never does), and they're upfront that a) they ultimately don't know what will happen for sure with the next Bond film at the moment and b) aren't pulling stuff out of their a*ses and claiming that thing is definitely the case.

    I think I know the video that Mendes was referring too, and the user was doing exactly that; just giving his own prediction and nothing more. He even out right says that it’s his own prediction with no basis in rumors/scoops.
  • Posts: 4,137
    007HallY wrote: »
    Not to say there's anything wrong with Bond fans who are YouTubers (or whatever) who give their opinions or even make their own predictions. Just so long as they're not claiming that they have some sort of 'scoop' from some sort of insider that will come true (it never does), and they're upfront that a) they ultimately don't know what will happen for sure with the next Bond film at the moment and b) aren't pulling stuff out of their a*ses and claiming that thing is definitely the case.

    I think I know the video that Mendes was referring too, and the user was doing exactly that; just giving his own prediction and nothing more. He even out right says that it’s his own prediction with no basis in rumors/scoops.

    Ah fair enough. Like I said, I'm fine with that. Just a part of the fandom really. No need to panic over something like that, haha.
  • 007HallY wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Not to say there's anything wrong with Bond fans who are YouTubers (or whatever) who give their opinions or even make their own predictions. Just so long as they're not claiming that they have some sort of 'scoop' from some sort of insider that will come true (it never does), and they're upfront that a) they ultimately don't know what will happen for sure with the next Bond film at the moment and b) aren't pulling stuff out of their a*ses and claiming that thing is definitely the case.

    I think I know the video that Mendes was referring too, and the user was doing exactly that; just giving his own prediction and nothing more. He even out right says that it’s his own prediction with no basis in rumors/scoops.

    Ah fair enough. Like I said, I'm fine with that. Just a part of the fandom really. No need to panic over something like that, haha.

    Indeed, it just goes to show how misconstrued everything can be on the Internet.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    @peter cheers mate that puts it into perspective
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    Oh yes, YouTube. The source of truth. The new religion. YouTubers, my friend, know nothing. Unless they do. But most often they don't. It's a wasteland of empty speculation, wishful thinking and gossip. What matters is what they actually (don't) know, not how convincingly they report on it. My advice to you, @Mendes4Lyfe: don't look to YouTube for any news at this point. You'll only be wasting perfectly good digital energy.

    Panicking? You're taking this thing far too seriously, mate. I wasn't panicking when the lead actress from Body Of Evidence somehow managed to star in a Bond film. I wasn't panicking when Alicia Keys blurted 'Bang! Bang!'. I wasn't even panicking when the world locked down and NTTD was put back in the fridge. If the absence of Bond-related news causes panick in you, I sure hope your neighbours never decide to mow their lawn early in the morning. I mean... "panick"... that's a little extreme.

    If you're starving for anything Bond, anything at all, there are over two dozen perfectly enjoyable Bond films for you to sit through. Read your Flemings again. Page through some of the many really good books on the subject of Bond. That should keep you going for a while.

    Or they can make another Bond movie.

    Or not. What if they don't? More panick?

    Yes.
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    DarthDimi wrote: »
    I saw a youtuber late last year say that as long as there's an announcement by the end of April then we're on track, and I've been using that as a guideline ever since. If we get to May 1st and there's still no word it's probably time to start panicking.

    Oh yes, YouTube. The source of truth. The new religion. YouTubers, my friend, know nothing. Unless they do. But most often they don't. It's a wasteland of empty speculation, wishful thinking and gossip. What matters is what they actually (don't) know, not how convincingly they report on it. My advice to you, @Mendes4Lyfe: don't look to YouTube for any news at this point. You'll only be wasting perfectly good digital energy.

    Panicking? You're taking this thing far too seriously, mate. I wasn't panicking when the lead actress from Body Of Evidence somehow managed to star in a Bond film. I wasn't panicking when Alicia Keys blurted 'Bang! Bang!'. I wasn't even panicking when the world locked down and NTTD was put back in the fridge. If the absence of Bond-related news causes panick in you, I sure hope your neighbours never decide to mow their lawn early in the morning. I mean... "panick"... that's a little extreme.

    If you're starving for anything Bond, anything at all, there are over two dozen perfectly enjoyable Bond films for you to sit through. Read your Flemings again. Page through some of the many really good books on the subject of Bond. That should keep you going for a while.

    Or they can make another Bond movie.

    Or not. What if they don't? More panick?

    They can sell the rights.

    No and they won't.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Glad to see that someone else agrees Jared Leto is a bad actor (and human being, sounds like). Denis is known for his slow style as well. It happens, it happens, is how I see it. Same with Nolan. I do think Bond needs a change in style and writing namely, with this new era.

    He does seem like an odd person, doesn't he? His performance in Blade Runner was even weirder than I remember it. There's such a disconnect between his black Devil suit/beard and the lights constantly dimming in and out, and then his bizarre nasal delivery and hammy facial expressions. It was actually kind of funny.

    Yes, Villeneuve's slow style is a thing. Another film I caught recently this month on TV was TSWLM, and one thing that struck me about it was just how fast but well paced it was. The PTS even gets a joke in through a well timed and quick cut while efficiently setting up all the story elements ("Tell him to pull out", haha). I'm not saying that Bond films need to be breathless (ie. QOS) but it would be nice to see maybe a crisper pace in a modern Bond film that evokes the early movies. The stylistic trend in the latter Craig movies did seem to be drifting towards some consciously longer takes and some slower scenes between the action etc. Not a bad thing incidentally.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Yeah, I think Villeneuve has that style, which is essential to Bond, and what's been missing in recent years. Forster and Mendes just couldn't pull it off, and Fukunaga tried his best, but it was like steering the titanic out of the icefield, just too little too late. I actually watched moonraker just the other day, and I was amazed how much it reminded me of a Villeneuve film in a strange way. Just the way of composing shots, scenes, it's such a lush feeling film. If EON want to split the difference, and have a lush, rich feeling film, but still grounded, I think that CAN keep both sides of the fandom happy. Again, I think this is what fukunaga tried to do, but he just had too much baggage to deal with so it turned into a mess, whereas Villeneuve will have a completely blank canvas.

    Gilbert's directing does impress me whenever I rewatch his Bond movies. Such a breath of fresh air especially when you compare it to the comparatively cheaper looking (and less well made) Moore era Guy Hamilton films, which by comparison have pacing issues.

    I think Mendes understood Bond the best out of the modern directors (I'd say even more than Campbell by the way). The style for me is very much there in SF, and even in SP while there are decisions I don't always agree with, I can't deny there's just that Bondian flair that gets me invested (ie. the long take during SP's PTS is actually quite pointless when you think about it, but seeing Craig walk to that version of the Bond theme and the design of the Day of The Dead festival is just so damn cool I can forgive it).

    Fukunaga is a very accomplished director, and very visually orientated (he began as a cinematographer I believe) but his approach to action sequences in particular defaulted to heightened visuals and choreography (ie. the long take during the stair shootout, or the constantly moving camera during the Cuba sequences) rather than the heightened reality you see with Mendes or Martin Campbell. It's very watchable, but it's not the most Bondian approach to me, and feels a bit surface level sometimes. Villeneuve by comparison can maintain tension even with quite visually impressive scenes (he reminds me a bit of Mendes in that sense). I just wish he had a faster pace to some of his films.

    Ironically, the last few times that I watched TSWLM, I felt the climax was almost too slow. Everything else was fair paced. Now that you compare Gilbert and Villeneuve, I really see similar styles. I think Villeneuve could give an epic feeling like Gilbert did. However, I think Villeneuve would cutback on the campy humor, and make it feel more realistic. More like a modern less humored Pierce Brosnan film.

    As for Fukunaga, I think that if he hadn't got in trouble, he'd be locked in as director (and writer) again. Marc Forster with or without the writer's strike was a mistake. Sam Mendes probably won't be back, as his Beatles films will take even longer than Bond 26! I just don't want directors doing more than they (and we) feel comfortable doing. Guy Hamilton and John Glen did too many in a row. I'm still curious if Phoebe Waller-Bridge will have a say in writing. I'd be ok with her for another film if she wants. Villeneuve has directed his fair share of Bond alumni like fellow Bond fans Steven Spielberg and Steven Soderbergh. Even Nolan hasn't directed many. Rami Melek is the only one, that I can think of. I'm trusting of EON and their choices. Just give them time.

    On a side note with BR2049: David Bowie was the original choice for the villain, but he passed away. We got a downgrade with Leto. He blinded himself so much he never saw Harrison Ford! Let's hope that Leto never plays a Bond villain. There's better choices out there!
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    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    MaxCasino wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Glad to see that someone else agrees Jared Leto is a bad actor (and human being, sounds like). Denis is known for his slow style as well. It happens, it happens, is how I see it. Same with Nolan. I do think Bond needs a change in style and writing namely, with this new era.

    He does seem like an odd person, doesn't he? His performance in Blade Runner was even weirder than I remember it. There's such a disconnect between his black Devil suit/beard and the lights constantly dimming in and out, and then his bizarre nasal delivery and hammy facial expressions. It was actually kind of funny.

    Yes, Villeneuve's slow style is a thing. Another film I caught recently this month on TV was TSWLM, and one thing that struck me about it was just how fast but well paced it was. The PTS even gets a joke in through a well timed and quick cut while efficiently setting up all the story elements ("Tell him to pull out", haha). I'm not saying that Bond films need to be breathless (ie. QOS) but it would be nice to see maybe a crisper pace in a modern Bond film that evokes the early movies. The stylistic trend in the latter Craig movies did seem to be drifting towards some consciously longer takes and some slower scenes between the action etc. Not a bad thing incidentally.
    007HallY wrote: »
    I recently rewatched Blade Runner 2049. Not my favourite film in the world (like I said, something about Villeneuve's films don't always excite me) and Jared Leto is a pretty lame villain (although I think he's a bit of a lame actor in general, and no one can convince me that this man is in fact a good actor). But there were actually a fair few moments I could imagine being more or less in a Bond film. Villeneuve's definitely got a good sense of style and is clearly an accomplished filmmaker.

    I don't know one way or the other if he'll be the next director, but he could certainly do it. With the right script or story direction he could potentially make an awesome Bond film.

    Yeah, I think Villeneuve has that style, which is essential to Bond, and what's been missing in recent years. Forster and Mendes just couldn't pull it off, and Fukunaga tried his best, but it was like steering the titanic out of the icefield, just too little too late. I actually watched moonraker just the other day, and I was amazed how much it reminded me of a Villeneuve film in a strange way. Just the way of composing shots, scenes, it's such a lush feeling film. If EON want to split the difference, and have a lush, rich feeling film, but still grounded, I think that CAN keep both sides of the fandom happy. Again, I think this is what fukunaga tried to do, but he just had too much baggage to deal with so it turned into a mess, whereas Villeneuve will have a completely blank canvas.

    Gilbert's directing does impress me whenever I rewatch his Bond movies. Such a breath of fresh air especially when you compare it to the comparatively cheaper looking (and less well made) Moore era Guy Hamilton films, which by comparison have pacing issues.

    I think Mendes understood Bond the best out of the modern directors (I'd say even more than Campbell by the way). The style for me is very much there in SF, and even in SP while there are decisions I don't always agree with, I can't deny there's just that Bondian flair that gets me invested (ie. the long take during SP's PTS is actually quite pointless when you think about it, but seeing Craig walk to that version of the Bond theme and the design of the Day of The Dead festival is just so damn cool I can forgive it).

    Fukunaga is a very accomplished director, and very visually orientated (he began as a cinematographer I believe) but his approach to action sequences in particular defaulted to heightened visuals and choreography (ie. the long take during the stair shootout, or the constantly moving camera during the Cuba sequences) rather than the heightened reality you see with Mendes or Martin Campbell. It's very watchable, but it's not the most Bondian approach to me, and feels a bit surface level sometimes. Villeneuve by comparison can maintain tension even with quite visually impressive scenes (he reminds me a bit of Mendes in that sense). I just wish he had a faster pace to some of his films.

    Ironically, the last few times that I watched TSWLM, I felt the climax was almost too slow. Everything else was fair paced. Now that you compare Gilbert and Villeneuve, I really see similar styles. I think Villeneuve could give an epic feeling like Gilbert did. However, I think Villeneuve would cutback on the campy humor, and make it feel more realistic. More like a modern less humored Pierce Brosnan film.

    As for Fukunaga, I think that if he hadn't got in trouble, he'd be locked in as director (and writer) again. Marc Forster with or without the writer's strike was a mistake. Sam Mendes probably won't be back, as his Beatles films will take even longer than Bond 26! I just don't want directors doing more than they (and we) feel comfortable doing. Guy Hamilton and John Glen did too many in a row. I'm still curious if Phoebe Waller-Bridge will have a say in writing. I'd be ok with her for another film if she wants. Villeneuve has directed his fair share of Bond alumni like fellow Bond fans Steven Spielberg and Steven Soderbergh. Even Nolan hasn't directed many. Rami Melek is the only one, that I can think of. I'm trusting of EON and their choices. Just give them time.

    On a side note with BR2049: David Bowie was the original choice for the villain, but he passed away. We got a downgrade with Leto. He blinded himself so much he never saw Harrison Ford! Let's hope that Leto never plays a Bond villain. There's better choices out there!

    I genuinely didn't know Bowie was the original choice. That would have been awesome. Yeah, Jared Leto doesn't quite match up really (oddly though Villeneuve apparently chose him because he felt Leto had a similar 'rockstar sensibility' to Bowie which... I'm not too sure about, beyond both being musicians). Not an easy role to cast though to be fair. It's so small but it has to be impactful.

    Not sure if Leto will be a Bond villain anytime soon. I don't think EON would be bothered dealing with his particular 'method acting' for the results he gives. Sounds like an utter nightmare to work with.
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    Honestly i looked at my 8 ball and it said asked again

    My tea leaves were dry
    And my fortune teller was out of town

    But my gut says Michael Fassbender is 007

    No way henry cavill

    No wait its the sandwich i had i will be in the restroom if you need me
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    At this rate Nolan will release his next movie before Bond 26. And Nolan’s last movie was released one and a half years after NTTD!!

    Just to illustrate how incredibly slow EON are.
  • Lewis Gilbert's films seem paced too fast. YOLT jumps about from tangent tangent and Moonraker also has the feeling of rotating settings. TSWLM has elements of this: Bond to Hosein to Fekkesh to Kalba. Similar to the lines of Aki-Dikko-assassin-Tiger in YOLT, and Drax-Venice-Rio-Amazon jumping in Moonraker.
    None of these characters and lines really have room to breathe: feels as if they exist just to go down the next step of the pipeline. In this film, stuff happens, and one of the many consequences just happens to be important, so let's go to where this points and etc. A more concise, more focused directorial style I think is better for Bond 26
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    https://screenrant.com/christopher-nolan-james-bond-movie-characters-actors-casting/

    I still dont get why the 3 biggest names in bond fandom are excited by ATJ he is ok i guess was his performance in bullet train that amazing



    He is ok i guess
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