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Even Craig had a retro style.
I know for TLD he was just cast too late to get the suits made (I think he even wore a dinner suit from his previous film in it). I thought sometimes he did seem quite Bondy- I know it was a bit late 80s baggy style, but his look in Key West with the deck shoes etc. feels quite Fleming to me.
My impression is Dalton, much like Connery, wasn't very style conscious. But unlike Connery, he lacked a figure like Terence Young imparting his own sense of style onto the character.
The suits in TLD are still classic and English, even though they lack the polish of proper bespoke garments. Unfortunately, for LTK, they hired an American costume designer who used Miami Vice as her inspiration. Still, we have Dalton to thank for rejecting her suggestion of pastels, so he had some sense of how Bond should dress.
Yep I agree with that completely mate, it felt perfectly in line with the character and his portrayal
Interesting point about Hayward, I just assumed that Roger just looked natural in a suit. Roger is probably the only Bond in my mind who could have made those Brioni suits work.
Makes sense. Explains a lot about the clothing in LTK too.
Yeah, I actually agree. I don't particularly see anything wrong with his outfits.
Then Craig took over and suddenly Bond was stronger than ever, but Pierce suffered badly from the comparison. Roger has kind of suffered the same fate, being a great crowd-pleaser at the time, but now his films and approach are out of fashion.
I think that difference mainly came from the scripts and directors but not from the actors.
I think people are going back and at least appreciating both Moore and Brosnan’s films now that the Craig era is over. Besides I don’t Brosnan’s perception as Bond amongst general audiences has really changed regardless of Craig or not. People who grew up in that era with those films, and playing the video games still regard him quite highly while recognizing the flaws of his films. It’s really only the fan base that seems divided over him.
I've read that many times before about Connery, far more than any other Bond actor. In fact there aren't that many actors out there which possess this rare kind of animal male presence that everyone immediately feels when being in the same room.
I also believe what you say about the other actors not carrying this unique trait. I've never heard any other person that has worked with the other Bonds who also claim they also carry this strange presence.
It's probably one of the reasons why Connery was constantly labelled as the `sexiest man on earth', despite a balding head with grey sides, badly ageing facial features, and not very appropriate remarks on slapping women. He was the ultimate Alpha Male, silverback gorilla in human form.
The actors bring personality. They bring their interpretation. Much of what I wrote was what Dalton brought, and there were/are times I wondered why he was snapping peoples heads off.
He was wound tight and didn’t relax.
However, that coiled spring worked for much of LTK (even though TLD is a stronger film, and one of my favourites).
I think Dalton needed a stronger director who’d have the wherewithal to tell him to tone it down— that’s not a knock at Glen (the man loved action and it was his specialty, and he was damn good at it, most of the time).
Fans griping about it in the meantime just doesn’t really make sense for me. When Bond does finally come back, the years in between won’t really matter anymore. When GE came out, I assume fans weren’t still upset on not getting films in 1991 and 1993. They were just excited to see Bond return, and I imagine most would be excited when Eon starts production in the winter of 2027, rather than grumbling about how we didn’t get two movies in 2023 and 2025.
I can think of two who will grumble, cross their arms and try and hold their breath…
Many fans miss Dalton's third movie. It mattered a lot.
If the producers ran out of ideas, then it matters.
GE was originally a Dalton film, if he had actually returned it would have still came out in 1995, not before.
Why’d you assume anyone has run out of ideas?
I said IF.
You don’t suddenly lose them as a collective team, lol!
I preferred Dalton to Brosnan, but the public didn't. A third Dalton movie at that time could have killed the series.
Yes, was never going to happen. The studio aren't always wrong.
This allows them all the time in the world to think of what avenues to go. It also lets them figure out problems modern cinema is facing, such as the idea of potential moviegoers deciding to wait for streaming because now they’ve all been trained to expect a film to go straight to streaming after only a few short weeks. There’s a lot of variables they need to sort out.
I remember NTTD was released on Amazon streaming on November 8th, when it was only just released in the US on October 8th. Which is crazy, and almost hard to believe Eon actually approved of that.
No, no, no, and no. All of this, all of it! makes me sick!! It’s just plain optimistic and with too much common sense!
Where the hell are Babs missteps?? Huh?? We all know she’s running out of ideas cuz she’s in love with that one dimensional/no personality idiot Craig??
I see none of this negativity and hostility over these strangers who we know nothing about!
Screw this, I’m outta here!
(Well done @MakeshiftPython — I think you’re probably very close to the mark. Thanks for your post!)
Is this good news?
That's a question. [/TB voice]
It’s nuanced news, which I guess could be rounded up or down as bad.
But I also don't believe it takes five years to rethink Bond. Whatever the reasons for the gap, it's other issues.
So, I’ll just wait it out. To be honest, I’ll probably only feel antsy if we reach 2026 and still get no word on what’s happening.