Where does Bond go after Craig?

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    As for a more promiscuous Bond, his real enemy would be STDs, as opposed to evil villains. Q would issue gadgets, weapons...and meds. Oh, well. Bond always did figure he would die on the job, and did not know just how it would happen. It would turn out, though, that if Bond drank as much as depicted, his willy would not participate after a while.
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    Let's say hypothetically.............

    Craig changes his mind and pitches this idea to Barbara:
    The gunbarrel opens with Bond burning in Hell and gets a chance to redeem his soul for all the kills while in MI6. So he comes back to earth as an angel like Michael Landon on HIGHWAY TO HEAVEN.
    After the PTS set in Hell, Kirk Cameron takes over as the new angelic James Bond. He gets into adventures, meets beautiful women but never gets laid.
    Sounds ridiculous, but with this hypothetically being Daniel Craig's idea.............Barbara would be sure to go for it and Craig could stay on as a credited producer.
    Then everyone's happy.

    Horrible joke.
    Apologies...........carry on................

  • edited October 2021 Posts: 572
    I know this is quite cheesy, but I'd love nothing more than a traditional gunbarrel opening to a fireball and after a pause we see new Bond with a 4th-wall breaking one liner (channeling OHMSS) about escaping death. Nothing to necessarily insinuate that the new Bond is the same as Craig's, but more rather to signal a change in tone going into the movie. There's a fine line that would have to be tread to make it work. That said, I know this won't be the case, but it's fun to think of how they kick off the next. Hopefully, at least, it won't be another bathroom scene to introduce the new Bond like the last two... ;)
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    Good points from everyone about the car. I think the Brosnan and Craig films have generally found a good balance there. He’s got the DB5 as his personal set of wheels, while the MI6 issued ones are where we get the cutting edge stuff.

    I’d like to see them ditch the DB5 though, I think it’s very overused at this point. Give the next guy some other vintage model as his personal car. I’d like them to switch brands too, for the sake of variety, but I think that’s unlikely at this point. The Bond/Aston partnership seems very set in stone nowadays.
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    I adore the DB5. It can still be his personal car. That being said... just put him in an understated cool looking vantage, quick, smart and sexy.
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    Good points from everyone about the car. I think the Brosnan and Craig films have generally found a good balance there. He’s got the DB5 as his personal set of wheels, while the MI6 issued ones are where we get the cutting edge stuff.

    I’d like to see them ditch the DB5 though, I think it’s very overused at this point. Give the next guy some other vintage model as his personal car. I’d like them to switch brands too, for the sake of variety, but I think that’s unlikely at this point. The Bond/Aston partnership seems very set in stone nowadays.

    Quite so. It is not like the Moore era, with the deliberate change away from Aston Martin, and the use of a couple GORGEOUS Lotus cars, in TSWLM and FYEO. Nor is it like the Brosnan era, with the BMW deal. The producers seem fond of how AM "speaks" Bond to the audience. It is for that reason I doubt we would see the next Bond pull a sheet off a nice Lotus Esprit -- or other model -- in his garage. It also causes me to doubt they would bring in this beauty. It no longer is brand new, it has a name on it which may conflict with agreement(s) with Aston Martin, but it is so fine and, when first I saw it, I thought...Oh ! Oh ! Bond would ride that soooo nicely ! The Lotus C-01. The appearance looks rather John Player Special-reminiscent, but it is not a JPS. It is, though, heartbreakingly gorgeous...Perhaps they could have an updated version. I can hear Q: "Lotus C-01, though this one is special. We call it the C-007." I know, rather Moore/Brosnan-ian with that bit. At any rate, do yourself a favor and just gaze upon it...BTW -- it would be ironic were it to be non-feasible due to agreements with AM, since the bike is not really a Lotus. They licensed their name for it.
    You can find it online, and this is just one spot, in this article from 2014:

    https://newatlas.com/new-lotus-c-01-motorcycle-to-use-ktm-1195-v-twin/30914/

    Indeed, the bike already is 7 years old, and close to 8, but....wow....
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    bondjames wrote: »
    So whatever the tone is of the largest box office hits in the year or so prior to the new Bond's first film.......that is the tone that EON will follow (and that will also influence how/who they cast).

    Nail. Head.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Unless we're going to get a
    cheesy Bond didn't really die/here's your beginning of the TMWTGG novel, Eon pretty much has to reboot after this one. Not only is he dead, so is his greatest ally and greatest adversary.

    Just no Vesper (and of course no Madeleine--although they've effectively written her off), please. I love CR, Green, and all of it, but it's been 15 years and I don't want the next Bond to have that baggage.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    echo wrote: »
    Unless we're going to get a
    cheesy Bond didn't really die/here's your beginning of the TMWTGG novel, Eon pretty much has to reboot after this one. Not only is he dead, so is his greatest ally and greatest adversary.

    Just no Vesper (and of course no Madeleine--although they've effectively written her off), please. I love CR, Green, and all of it, but it's been 15 years and I don't want the next Bond to have that baggage.
    In my critical mind, I know muddying the waters like that would be a mistake, but in a way, I would love it if they did the TMWTGG opening as the PTS with the new actor without making clear whether this is supposed to be a direct continuation or a completely new universe.
    There's also, of course the problem that all of the fantastic ways of trying to find out whether he is the real 007 that Fleming set up in the novel would have to be transposed to the 21st century, but I really think they could have some fun with that.
    And having MI6 be sceptical of the "new" guy and sending him on a suicide mission to prove himself would also be fun given the meta context of a new actor having to prove himself to the audience.
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    echo wrote: »
    Unless we're going to get a
    cheesy Bond didn't really die/here's your beginning of the TMWTGG novel, Eon pretty much has to reboot after this one. Not only is he dead, so is his greatest ally and greatest adversary.

    Just no Vesper (and of course no Madeleine--although they've effectively written her off), please. I love CR, Green, and all of it, but it's been 15 years and I don't want the next Bond to have that baggage.
    In my critical mind, I know muddying the waters like that would be a mistake, but in a way, I would love it if they did the TMWTGG opening as the PTS with the new actor without making clear whether this is supposed to be a direct continuation or a completely new universe.
    There's also, of course the problem that all of the fantastic ways of trying to find out whether he is the real 007 that Fleming set up in the novel would have to be transposed to the 21st century, but I really think they could have some fun with that.
    And having MI6 be sceptical of the "new" guy and sending him on a suicide mission to prove himself would also be fun given the meta context of a new actor having to prove himself to the audience.

    My issue is I really don't think TMWTGG should be done EXCEPT as an actor's exit from the role. That book sees Bond very much damaged beyond repair IMO. Then you can just have the next actor take on the role in an original story or two
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    I really don't get it when some members argue the ending of NTTD is bad because...
    killing off Bond leaves the general audience confused, for then to go on to say they should have faithfully adapted the ending of YOLT and followed it up with TMWTGG. It makes no sense. Imagine the reaction if the film ended with a confused Craig going off to Russia with amnesia? As much as I like both novels, I honestly think they should never be faithfully adapted. The way they incorporated YOLT into NTTD was done just right in my opinion.
  • EinoRistoSiniahoEinoRistoSiniaho Oulu, Finland
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    I don't think there should be any references to the events which took place within Craig era. The new Bond should be a clean slate like Connery in Dr. No.
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    I do hope they don't go with another origin story. It has already been done and I want CR to remain a unique feature in the series.
  • My issue is I really don't think TMWTGG should be done EXCEPT as an actor's exit from the role. That book sees Bond very much damaged beyond repair IMO. Then you can just have the next actor take on the role in an original story or two
    While I agree with you about the portray of Bond in the novel, I also feel the book is, in more than one way, a relaunch of the literary series. First of all narratively as it moves forward from the Blofeld storyline. Secondly in its portray of Bond: while the character is damaged, he very much experiences himself a rebirth and is no longer the one he was in the previous adventures; he's unable to kill Scaramanga at first, seems to have lost his determination. May Fleming had lived, I suppose he would have continue with this characterization. Thus, because TMWTGG is as much a conclusion as a new beginning, I think it can serve as an actor's exit as much as a vehicle for a new Bond. Especially since the opening chapters better work, I think, as a PTS for a new actor rather than an established one.
  • ImpertinentGoonImpertinentGoon Everybody needs a hobby.
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    My issue is I really don't think TMWTGG should be done EXCEPT as an actor's exit from the role. That book sees Bond very much damaged beyond repair IMO. Then you can just have the next actor take on the role in an original story or two
    While I agree with you about the portray of Bond in the novel, I also feel the book is, in more than one way, a relaunch of the literary series. First of all narratively as it moves forward from the Blofeld storyline. Secondly in its portray of Bond: while the character is damaged, he very much experiences himself a rebirth and is no longer the one he was in the previous adventures; he's unable to kill Scaramanga at first, seems to have lost his determination. May Fleming had lived, I suppose he would have continue with this characterization. Thus, because TMWTGG is as much a conclusion as a new beginning, I think it can serve as an actor's exit as much as a vehicle for a new Bond. Especially since the opening chapters better work, I think, as a PTS for a new actor rather than an established one.

    I was mainly focussed on the opening as a PTS, yes.

    I am always on board with doing a story in which the villain is Bond's equal and possibly even a mirror image in a way, but they recently did that with Silva, so maybe that idea needs a bit of a cooldown. I also always like Bond infiltrating the villainous org as in f.e. LTK, so that part might be interesting. Jamaica and the Carribbean in general is always good and especially poignant for a first film, so no complaints there. I also always thought that the under construction hotel could be an interesting setting, but I love hotels, so that might just be me. And the final "duel" could be cool depending on the director.
    As for the rest of the plot of TMWTGG, from what I recall the whole thing turns out to be pretty pedestrian, right? Manipulating sugar prices to make money for the Soviets or something like that? Don't really need that.
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    My issue is I really don't think TMWTGG should be done EXCEPT as an actor's exit from the role. That book sees Bond very much damaged beyond repair IMO. Then you can just have the next actor take on the role in an original story or two
    While I agree with you about the portray of Bond in the novel, I also feel the book is, in more than one way, a relaunch of the literary series. First of all narratively as it moves forward from the Blofeld storyline. Secondly in its portray of Bond: while the character is damaged, he very much experiences himself a rebirth and is no longer the one he was in the previous adventures; he's unable to kill Scaramanga at first, seems to have lost his determination. May Fleming had lived, I suppose he would have continue with this characterization. Thus, because TMWTGG is as much a conclusion as a new beginning, I think it can serve as an actor's exit as much as a vehicle for a new Bond. Especially since the opening chapters better work, I think, as a PTS for a new actor rather than an established one.

    I was mainly focussed on the opening as a PTS, yes.

    I am always on board with doing a story in which the villain is Bond's equal and possibly even a mirror image in a way, but they recently did that with Silva, so maybe that idea needs a bit of a cooldown. I also always like Bond infiltrating the villainous org as in f.e. LTK, so that part might be interesting. Jamaica and the Carribbean in general is always good and especially poignant for a first film, so no complaints there. I also always thought that the under construction hotel could be an interesting setting, but I love hotels, so that might just be me. And the final "duel" could be cool depending on the director.
    As for the rest of the plot of TMWTGG, from what I recall the whole thing turns out to be pretty pedestrian, right? Manipulating sugar prices to make money for the Soviets or something like that? Don't really need that.

    Change sugar to Gas and it would be very topical 😂
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    I just don't see how they can
    not reboot since Madeleine and the child are out there, and Leiter and Blofeld are not.

    Unless they're going with the--god help us--code name theory. A different Bond with a totally different back story. I don't love it, but if it frees us from the baggage of Madeleine and Vesper, maybe that's the best course.

    I can't see how they can go back in time with Craig's Bond--we would know Madeleine and Bond's death are coming, and it would defuse a lot of the suspense.

    I know the producers said they would never do this but they've reversed themselves many times over the years. What if they went back to the beginning and restarted with Dr. No?

    Or what if they rebooted with a new Casino Royale (!) and gave us the books in order this time?

    As much as CR was a reboot, NTTD presages an even bigger reboot.

    The mind boggles.
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    I don't think there should be any references to the events which took place within Craig era. The new Bond should be a clean slate like Connery in Dr. No.
    A clean slate is the way they're going to go with Bond 26. Yes, it'll be another orgin story told slightly diffrently. Whether that's with Bond starting out as a young Royal Marine commando and ending up with him joining a discrete area of MI6 is anybody's guess, but it'll be a totally new journey told from scratch.
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    echo wrote: »
    I just don't see how they can
    not reboot since Madeleine and the child are out there, and Leiter and Blofeld are not.

    Unless they're going with the--god help us--code name theory. A different Bond with a totally different back story. I don't love it, but if it frees us from the baggage of Madeleine and Vesper, maybe that's the best course.

    I can't see how they can go back in time with Craig's Bond--we would know Madeleine and Bond's death are coming, and it would defuse a lot of the suspense.

    I know the producers said they would never do this but they've reversed themselves many times over the years. What if they went back to the beginning and restarted with Dr. No?

    Or what if they rebooted with a new Casino Royale (!) and gave us the books in order this time?

    As much as CR was a reboot, NTTD presages an even bigger reboot.

    The mind boggles.


    Remaking old films is something I have been strongly against in the past, but I am more willing to accept it now. It is a bit of a conondrum. I can´t deny the idea of readapting the books in order makes my mouth water a bit. However, on the other hand I would like if some of the films would remain unique. Would a new version of lets say FRWL diminish the old one? I don´t know…
  • Antster007Antster007 Somewhere, keeping the British end up
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    I would look to do a reboot and set the start of the new movie during WW2. Bond would be tasked with taking out a Nazi splinter cell. This would account for a ¼ of the film. We would then fast forward to Bond taking up the position 007 in MI6 and carrying out his first mission. This will see Bond faced with an enemy from his past (Nazi splinter cell).
    Subsequent films would be set in the 50’s and 60’s. So much cool stuff that can be done nowadays with regards to sets, locations etc.

    Director: Christopher Nolan
  • DenbighDenbigh UK
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    The problem with doing a period piece, which would be pretty cool, is that EON would run the risk of isolating general audiences and even some fans, especially because EON have reached a point now where they need to freshen things up for general audiences and fans alike, and to me, doing a period piece would be the opposite of that.
  • Antster007Antster007 Somewhere, keeping the British end up
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    The problem with doing a period piece, which would be pretty cool, is that EON would run the risk of isolating general audiences and even some fans, especially because EON have reached a point now where they need to freshen things up for general audiences and fans alike, and to me, doing a period piece would be the opposite of that.

    The problem that EON faces with a continuation of the Modern Bond, is societal changes. You limit what you can do with the character.
  • sandbagger1sandbagger1 Sussex
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    Denbigh wrote: »
    The problem with doing a period piece, which would be pretty cool, is that EON would run the risk of isolating general audiences and even some fans, especially because EON have reached a point now where they need to freshen things up for general audiences and fans alike, and to me, doing a period piece would be the opposite of that.

    The real problem EON would have with a period piece is that it would severely limit their product placement deals.
  • edited October 2021 Posts: 3,333
    Antster007 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The problem with doing a period piece, which would be pretty cool, is that EON would run the risk of isolating general audiences and even some fans, especially because EON have reached a point now where they need to freshen things up for general audiences and fans alike, and to me, doing a period piece would be the opposite of that.

    The problem that EON faces with a continuation of the Modern Bond, is societal changes. You limit what you can do with the character.
    Those societal changes will still be present even if they set the movie in the 40s or 50s, just seen through today's political lens and adjusted for it. I also believe it would bring an end to these movies being co-funded by product placement, unless you happen to have a thing for vintage phones and now defunct brands.

    Personally, I still think they will delve a little deeper into Bond's orgin story for B25 and start him off as a young Royal Marine commando in present day and follow his derring-do maritime missions. Maybe start it off in the sub-zero Arctic or tropical Caribbean and Mediterranean, which reflects their actual commando training, and have him part of the evolution of the Royal Marines into the Future Commando Force, returning to the original concept of commandos as elite raiders from the sea. Or maybe they use ‘throwbots’—lobbed over walls, through windows and open doors to give marines an idea of what’s inside. All these missions can happen before he's been singled out by Admiral Miles Messervy to join his new Double O division by the end of the movie. Of course, by involving the Royal Marines it's going to involve present-day politics and some real life situations. They will have to skip the whole Vesper story going forwards and introduce new women and adversaries in his life. But if they can pretend a 57-year-old Bond didn't die in AVTAK when he died much younger in NTTD, or that Blofeld was his step brother, then they can erase Vesper completely out of the new timeline.

    Of course they could still go the same route as they did with Dalton and Brosnan, but these new introductions brought their own problems and stagnation further down the road.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Antster007 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The problem with doing a period piece, which would be pretty cool, is that EON would run the risk of isolating general audiences and even some fans, especially because EON have reached a point now where they need to freshen things up for general audiences and fans alike, and to me, doing a period piece would be the opposite of that.

    The problem that EON faces with a continuation of the Modern Bond, is societal changes. You limit what you can do with the character.
    Those societal changes will still be present even if they set the movie in the 40s or 50s, just seen through today's political lens and adjusted for it. I also believe it would bring an end to these movies being co-funded by product placement, unless you happen to have a thing for vintage phones and now defunct brands.

    Personally, I still think they will delve a little deeper into Bond's orgin story for B25 and start him off as a young Royal Marine commando in present day and follow his derring-do maritime missions. Maybe start it off in the sub-zero Arctic or tropical Caribbean and Mediterranean, which reflects their actual commando training, and have him part of the evolution of the Royal Marines into the Future Commando Force, returning to the original concept of commandos as elite raiders from the sea. Or maybe they use ‘throwbots’—lobbed over walls, through windows and open doors to give marines an idea of what’s inside. All these missions can happen before he's been singled out by Admiral Miles Messervy to join his new Double O division by the end of the movie. Of course, by involving the Royal Marines it's going to involve present-day politics and some real life situations. They will have to skip the whole Vesper story going forwards and introduce new women and adversaries in his life. But if they can pretend a 57-year-old Bond didn't die in AVTAK when he died much younger in NTTD, or that Blofeld was his step brother, then they can erase Vesper completely out of the new timeline.

    Of course they could still go the same route as they did with Dalton and Brosnan, but these new introductions brought their own problems and stagnation further down the road.

    Why not have a totally standalone PTS that shows us a Navy/SBS mission pre-his 00 days? Maybe the one that puts him on Mi6s radar? Then the film proper can fast forward 10 years when he is an established 007. That way we can introduce the new actor and make him a more seasoned agent at the same time.

    Also, I like how DN starts with M mentioning he spent 6 months in hospital just before the events of the film. Why not have something like that (not as a reference to the Craig era or anything), but Bond comes out of hospital from a mission gone wrong and then is given either an a) easy assignment that turns out to get more complicated and far more difficult than first thought, or b) a suicide mission to see if he's got anything left after hospitalisation. He could then still be a younger Bond but also feature variations on the novel's later missions.
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    Why not have a totally standalone PTS that shows us a Navy/SBS mission pre-his 00 days? Maybe the one that puts him on Mi6s radar? Then the film proper can fast forward 10 years when he is an established 007. That way we can introduce the new actor and make him a more seasoned agent at the same time.

    Also, I like how DN starts with M mentioning he spent 6 months in hospital just before the events of the film. Why not have something like that (not as a reference to the Craig era or anything), but Bond comes out of hospital from a mission gone wrong and then is given either an a) easy assignment that turns out to get more complicated and far more difficult than first thought, or b) a suicide mission to see if he's got anything left after hospitalisation. He could then still be a younger Bond but also feature variations on the novel's later missions.
    That could work as well @FatherValentine. I'm glad to see other members like yourself making proper suggestions for where B26 should or can go.

    For the record, I like your idea. The 10 years can also be marked by a totally different haircut.
  • FatherValentineFatherValentine England
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Why not have a totally standalone PTS that shows us a Navy/SBS mission pre-his 00 days? Maybe the one that puts him on Mi6s radar? Then the film proper can fast forward 10 years when he is an established 007. That way we can introduce the new actor and make him a more seasoned agent at the same time.

    Also, I like how DN starts with M mentioning he spent 6 months in hospital just before the events of the film. Why not have something like that (not as a reference to the Craig era or anything), but Bond comes out of hospital from a mission gone wrong and then is given either an a) easy assignment that turns out to get more complicated and far more difficult than first thought, or b) a suicide mission to see if he's got anything left after hospitalisation. He could then still be a younger Bond but also feature variations on the novel's later missions.
    That could work as well @FatherValentine. I'm glad to see other members like yourself making proper suggestions for where B26 should go.

    For the record, I like your idea. The 10 years can also be identified by a totally different haircut.

    Thanks. I imagined it sort of like how the PTS in GE segues into 6 years later after the titles.
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    Thanks. I imagined it sort of like how the PTS in GE segues into 6 years later after the titles.
    I like the way you've also given a nod to Dr No as well. That's the sort of touch I like to see.
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    I like the idea of some sort of cold case coming back. A PTS could be flashback to the 60's, so a great chance to have some fun with the audience and have a genuine plot point and then move to a retired double O agent whose been keeping some dark secret and we move to the present where we meet the new Bond.
  • Antster007Antster007 Somewhere, keeping the British end up
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    bondsum wrote: »
    Antster007 wrote: »
    Denbigh wrote: »
    The problem with doing a period piece, which would be pretty cool, is that EON would run the risk of isolating general audiences and even some fans, especially because EON have reached a point now where they need to freshen things up for general audiences and fans alike, and to me, doing a period piece would be the opposite of that.

    The problem that EON faces with a continuation of the Modern Bond, is societal changes. You limit what you can do with the character.
    Those societal changes will still be present even if they set the movie in the 40s or 50s, just seen through today's political lens and adjusted for it. I also believe it would bring an end to these movies being co-funded by product placement, unless you happen to have a thing for vintage phones and now defunct brands.

    Personally, I still think they will delve a little deeper into Bond's orgin story for B25 and start him off as a young Royal Marine commando in present day and follow his derring-do maritime missions. Maybe start it off in the sub-zero Arctic or tropical Caribbean and Mediterranean, which reflects their actual commando training, and have him part of the evolution of the Royal Marines into the Future Commando Force, returning to the original concept of commandos as elite raiders from the sea. Or maybe they use ‘throwbots’—lobbed over walls, through windows and open doors to give marines an idea of what’s inside. All these missions can happen before he's been singled out by Admiral Miles Messervy to join his new Double O division by the end of the movie. Of course, by involving the Royal Marines it's going to involve present-day politics and some real life situations. They will have to skip the whole Vesper story going forwards and introduce new women and adversaries in his life. But if they can pretend a 57-year-old Bond didn't die in AVTAK when he died much younger in NTTD, or that Blofeld was his step brother, then they can erase Vesper completely out of the new timeline.

    Of course they could still go the same route as they did with Dalton and Brosnan, but these new introductions brought their own problems and stagnation further down the road.

    I think you'd be able to get away with a bit more, but I take your point.

    Product placing would most likely be an issue, so puts paid to my idea 🤣👍
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