Where does Bond go after Craig?

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    What do we think of THR's bold 2025 prediction that Josh O'Connor will be named the next Bond?

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/predicting-hollywood-2025-james-bond-taylor-sheridan/the-next-james-bond-will-be/

    The same Josh O'Connor who just happened to be matched with Daniel Craig for Actors on Actors recently...

  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited December 19 Posts: 41,011
    I don't believe we'll get an actor announced next year, but we'll see.

    I feel it's more likely they were paired up here because of the latest Knives Out film they star in together, not because they're secret signaling who the next 007 is.
  • edited December 19 Posts: 4,283
    I wouldn't be amazingly surprised if he got the part, or at least an actor along the lines of him. But at the same time he's not a top choice of mine and it's not a given. It's not an outlandish prediction though. An actor getting announced next year is very optimistic though. And no, there's no hidden meaning in him getting paired with Craig.
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    Obviously it's all speculation and doesn't mean anything, but O'Connor would be a huge win for EON.
  • edited December 19 Posts: 388
    Is it plausible, possible or preferable to cast an actor as Bond and hire a director to develop the next movie from script to screen?

    Instead of enticing a director and actor with a developed screenplay/treatment that needs retooled, the creative team (EON, lead actor, director and screenwriter) could work from the very beginning on crafting a movie that plays directly into everyone’s strengths. Thus (hopefully) resulting in a Bond film that’s specific and clear in its themes, motifs and overall design.

    Putting aside that Daniel Craig’s first Bond film was the adaption of an already existing work, what if Craig and Martin Campbell and Paul Haggis/P&W were brought onboard Bond 21’s production in late 2004 to develop a screenplay and direction for the series from scratch?
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    If the next Bond trailer could capture the feeling of the new Superman teaser I would be happy camper. The main thing is that is NOT an origin story.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited December 19 Posts: 8,441
    You nailed it. Whatever someone takes away from the trailer, no one can deny its a massive departure from what Cavills Superman films were tonally. Just like Batman Begins was a massive shift after B&R and Casino Royale was a huge shake up after DAD.

    I don't think people realise sometimes how thorough of a overhaul we could be in for by the time B26 rolls around. Remember, B25 wrapped filming in late 2019, when the world was a completely different place than it is today in so many ways. After the rollarcoaster the last few years have been, people are ready to turn over a new page, and the entertain we consume is finally beginning to reflect that.
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    Well, it's tricky departing completely from what we got with NTTD because it has such swings in terms of tone and is so far away from how the Craig era began. Even if they went all in with something more fantastical, breezy, and mid Moore era esque it'd still have similarities to that film in places.

    That's not to say it won't be different. If I were a betting man I'd guess in practice Bond 26 could be a bit like the new Batman film coming after Nolan's trilogy. There's a lot of overlap between the two in terms of themes and the more grounded approach, even if they have differences. They're not a million miles away from each other. I can't see a complete 180 along the lines of DAF coming after OHMSS. But hey, who knows? I can't see the future...

    I can imagine a scenario where some fans will initially believe Bond 26 is a lot more different to the Craig films than it actually will end up being. It'll obviously be a fresh start so that'll have some impact. Instead of a 50 something retired Bond at a very specific point in the Craig films, it'll likely be a 30 something Bond who's a 00. There'll be more that's inherently familiar (or perhaps 'traditional') from a Bond formula standpoint just due to that blank slate. Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor so that might well create the impression amongst some of us that the film will be 'lighter' than it actually is. In practice the actual film could still contain a good bit of the Craig era's sense of fatalism and even re-adapt many of the ideas in there. Again, different - perhaps even in some very key areas - but not a million miles away from the later Craig films.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, it's tricky departing completely from what we got with NTTD because it has such swings in terms of tone and is so far away from how the Craig era began. Even if they went all in with something more fantastical, breezy, and mid Moore era esque it'd still have similarities to that film in places.

    That's not to say it won't be different. If I were a betting man I'd guess in practice Bond 26 could be a bit like the new Batman film coming after Nolan's trilogy. There's a lot of overlap between the two in terms of themes and the more grounded approach, even if they have differences. They're not a million miles away from each other. I can't see a complete 180 along the lines of DAF coming after OHMSS. But hey, who knows? I can't see the future...

    I can imagine a scenario where some fans will initially believe Bond 26 is a lot more different to the Craig films than it actually will end up being. It'll obviously be a fresh start so that'll have some impact. Instead of a 50 something retired Bond at a very specific point in the Craig films, it'll likely be a 30 something Bond who's a 00. There'll be more that's inherently familiar (or perhaps 'traditional') from a Bond formula standpoint just due to that blank slate. Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor so that might well create the impression amongst some of us that the film will be 'lighter' than it actually is. In practice the actual film could still contain a good bit of the Craig era's sense of fatalism and even re-adapt many of the ideas in there. Again, different - perhaps even in some very key areas - but not a million miles away from the later Craig films.

    But the new Superman trailer does NOT care who played him in the past. It does NOT point out that it is a new actor, it is about the character of Superman and his most familiar elements.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,363
    AgentM72 wrote: »
    What do we think of THR's bold 2025 prediction that Josh O'Connor will be named the next Bond?

    https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/lists/predicting-hollywood-2025-james-bond-taylor-sheridan/the-next-james-bond-will-be/

    The same Josh O'Connor who just happened to be matched with Daniel Craig for Actors on Actors recently...


    I said this, way up in this thread somewhere. ;)
  • edited December 19 Posts: 4,283
    delfloria wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, it's tricky departing completely from what we got with NTTD because it has such swings in terms of tone and is so far away from how the Craig era began. Even if they went all in with something more fantastical, breezy, and mid Moore era esque it'd still have similarities to that film in places.

    That's not to say it won't be different. If I were a betting man I'd guess in practice Bond 26 could be a bit like the new Batman film coming after Nolan's trilogy. There's a lot of overlap between the two in terms of themes and the more grounded approach, even if they have differences. They're not a million miles away from each other. I can't see a complete 180 along the lines of DAF coming after OHMSS. But hey, who knows? I can't see the future...

    I can imagine a scenario where some fans will initially believe Bond 26 is a lot more different to the Craig films than it actually will end up being. It'll obviously be a fresh start so that'll have some impact. Instead of a 50 something retired Bond at a very specific point in the Craig films, it'll likely be a 30 something Bond who's a 00. There'll be more that's inherently familiar (or perhaps 'traditional') from a Bond formula standpoint just due to that blank slate. Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor so that might well create the impression amongst some of us that the film will be 'lighter' than it actually is. In practice the actual film could still contain a good bit of the Craig era's sense of fatalism and even re-adapt many of the ideas in there. Again, different - perhaps even in some very key areas - but not a million miles away from the later Craig films.

    But the new Superman trailer does NOT care who played him in the past. It does NOT point out that it is a new actor, it is about the character of Superman and his most familiar elements.

    Well, it cares about getting audiences hyped for the new Superman and film (as every trailer/new era of Superhero movies would do). Any new Bond trailer would do the same, right down to the ‘familiar elements’. I’m not really sure what your point here is.
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    007HallY wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, it's tricky departing completely from what we got with NTTD because it has such swings in terms of tone and is so far away from how the Craig era began. Even if they went all in with something more fantastical, breezy, and mid Moore era esque it'd still have similarities to that film in places.

    That's not to say it won't be different. If I were a betting man I'd guess in practice Bond 26 could be a bit like the new Batman film coming after Nolan's trilogy. There's a lot of overlap between the two in terms of themes and the more grounded approach, even if they have differences. They're not a million miles away from each other. I can't see a complete 180 along the lines of DAF coming after OHMSS. But hey, who knows? I can't see the future...

    I can imagine a scenario where some fans will initially believe Bond 26 is a lot more different to the Craig films than it actually will end up being. It'll obviously be a fresh start so that'll have some impact. Instead of a 50 something retired Bond at a very specific point in the Craig films, it'll likely be a 30 something Bond who's a 00. There'll be more that's inherently familiar (or perhaps 'traditional') from a Bond formula standpoint just due to that blank slate. Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor so that might well create the impression amongst some of us that the film will be 'lighter' than it actually is. In practice the actual film could still contain a good bit of the Craig era's sense of fatalism and even re-adapt many of the ideas in there. Again, different - perhaps even in some very key areas - but not a million miles away from the later Craig films.

    But the new Superman trailer does NOT care who played him in the past. It does NOT point out that it is a new actor, it is about the character of Superman and his most familiar elements.

    Well, it cares about getting audiences hyped for the new Superman and film (as every trailer/new era of Superhero movies would do). Any new Bond trailer would do the same, right down to the ‘familiar elements’. I’m not really sure what your point here is.

    I was specifically responding to your line "Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor". The Superman trailer doesn't rely on or acknowledge the presence of a new actor in the role.
  • edited 1:02am Posts: 4,283
    delfloria wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, it's tricky departing completely from what we got with NTTD because it has such swings in terms of tone and is so far away from how the Craig era began. Even if they went all in with something more fantastical, breezy, and mid Moore era esque it'd still have similarities to that film in places.

    That's not to say it won't be different. If I were a betting man I'd guess in practice Bond 26 could be a bit like the new Batman film coming after Nolan's trilogy. There's a lot of overlap between the two in terms of themes and the more grounded approach, even if they have differences. They're not a million miles away from each other. I can't see a complete 180 along the lines of DAF coming after OHMSS. But hey, who knows? I can't see the future...

    I can imagine a scenario where some fans will initially believe Bond 26 is a lot more different to the Craig films than it actually will end up being. It'll obviously be a fresh start so that'll have some impact. Instead of a 50 something retired Bond at a very specific point in the Craig films, it'll likely be a 30 something Bond who's a 00. There'll be more that's inherently familiar (or perhaps 'traditional') from a Bond formula standpoint just due to that blank slate. Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor so that might well create the impression amongst some of us that the film will be 'lighter' than it actually is. In practice the actual film could still contain a good bit of the Craig era's sense of fatalism and even re-adapt many of the ideas in there. Again, different - perhaps even in some very key areas - but not a million miles away from the later Craig films.

    But the new Superman trailer does NOT care who played him in the past. It does NOT point out that it is a new actor, it is about the character of Superman and his most familiar elements.

    Well, it cares about getting audiences hyped for the new Superman and film (as every trailer/new era of Superhero movies would do). Any new Bond trailer would do the same, right down to the ‘familiar elements’. I’m not really sure what your point here is.

    I was specifically responding to your line "Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor". The Superman trailer doesn't rely on or acknowledge the presence of a new actor in the role.

    Ah ok. Perhaps I should have said new Bond. To clarify I don’t think a new Bond trailer will do a ‘expecting someone else?’ type thing. It’ll be more like the first CR teaser where Craig’s harder edge and physicality were emphasised to show us his take on Bond as well as give an idea of the film in general… and of course most importantly generate excitement and give us all the usual Bond fare like the theme, the women, action etc. I think that’s what a good trailer should do.

    The Superman trailer acknowledges a new actor in the role because… well, there’s a new actor in the role. It’s also a teaser which is much less comprehensive than later theatrical trailers will be in terms of conveying the overall story. If anything I’d say it could have done with showing us a bit more of the new Superman, but again it’s only a teaser I guess… and perhaps there’s an element that Bond is prone to being ‘reinvented’ more with each new actor compared to Superman. Not sure how fair that last point is, but I think there’s truth to it. Seeing what the next Bond actor will do with the role is a big part of the hype around the film, whereas I’m not entirely sure if that’s as much the case with Superman.
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    Ah ok. Perhaps I should have said new Bond. To clarify I don’t think a new Bond trailer will do a ‘expecting someone else?’ type thing. It’ll be more like the first CR teaser where Craig’s harder edge and physicality were emphasised to show us his take on Bond as well as give an idea of the film in general… and of course most importantly generate excitement and give us all the usual Bond fare like the theme, the women, action etc. I think that’s what a good trailer should do.

    Agreed.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,363
    delfloria wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    delfloria wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, it's tricky departing completely from what we got with NTTD because it has such swings in terms of tone and is so far away from how the Craig era began. Even if they went all in with something more fantastical, breezy, and mid Moore era esque it'd still have similarities to that film in places.

    That's not to say it won't be different. If I were a betting man I'd guess in practice Bond 26 could be a bit like the new Batman film coming after Nolan's trilogy. There's a lot of overlap between the two in terms of themes and the more grounded approach, even if they have differences. They're not a million miles away from each other. I can't see a complete 180 along the lines of DAF coming after OHMSS. But hey, who knows? I can't see the future...

    I can imagine a scenario where some fans will initially believe Bond 26 is a lot more different to the Craig films than it actually will end up being. It'll obviously be a fresh start so that'll have some impact. Instead of a 50 something retired Bond at a very specific point in the Craig films, it'll likely be a 30 something Bond who's a 00. There'll be more that's inherently familiar (or perhaps 'traditional') from a Bond formula standpoint just due to that blank slate. Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor so that might well create the impression amongst some of us that the film will be 'lighter' than it actually is. In practice the actual film could still contain a good bit of the Craig era's sense of fatalism and even re-adapt many of the ideas in there. Again, different - perhaps even in some very key areas - but not a million miles away from the later Craig films.

    But the new Superman trailer does NOT care who played him in the past. It does NOT point out that it is a new actor, it is about the character of Superman and his most familiar elements.

    Well, it cares about getting audiences hyped for the new Superman and film (as every trailer/new era of Superhero movies would do). Any new Bond trailer would do the same, right down to the ‘familiar elements’. I’m not really sure what your point here is.

    I was specifically responding to your line "Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor". The Superman trailer doesn't rely on or acknowledge the presence of a new actor in the role.

    I didn't need to see Superdog. Silly.
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    I would love the next Bond teaser to open with the opening riff of FRWL and burst into
    a raucous, instrumental version of YKMN.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    Posts: 8,441
    007HallY wrote: »
    Well, it's tricky departing completely from what we got with NTTD because it has such swings in terms of tone and is so far away from how the Craig era began. Even if they went all in with something more fantastical, breezy, and mid Moore era esque it'd still have similarities to that film in places.

    That's not to say it won't be different. If I were a betting man I'd guess in practice Bond 26 could be a bit like the new Batman film coming after Nolan's trilogy. There's a lot of overlap between the two in terms of themes and the more grounded approach, even if they have differences. They're not a million miles away from each other. I can't see a complete 180 along the lines of DAF coming after OHMSS. But hey, who knows? I can't see the future...

    I can imagine a scenario where some fans will initially believe Bond 26 is a lot more different to the Craig films than it actually will end up being. It'll obviously be a fresh start so that'll have some impact. Instead of a 50 something retired Bond at a very specific point in the Craig films, it'll likely be a 30 something Bond who's a 00. There'll be more that's inherently familiar (or perhaps 'traditional') from a Bond formula standpoint just due to that blank slate. Trailers will want to create a bit more hype/energy around the new actor so that might well create the impression amongst some of us that the film will be 'lighter' than it actually is. In practice the actual film could still contain a good bit of the Craig era's sense of fatalism and even re-adapt many of the ideas in there. Again, different - perhaps even in some very key areas - but not a million miles away from the later Craig films.

    The Dark Knight films and The Batman have some overlap in terms of tone, but stylistically they're wildly different.

    A View To A Kill has some humorous parts and some scenes played quite dramatically, like putting the Russian agent in the propeller, but would anyone argue that TLD wasn't a substantial departure, and a fresh new take, even if it shares some things in common with its predecessor?

    Yes, the films have plenty of humourous moments, but the big difference with Craig, which I don't think alot of people are very keen to acknoledge, is that the humour is almost always downplayed and in subtle kind of manner, or as a brief relief from tension. How often is the comedy the main driver of the scene? How often is the filmmaking actually playing up the comedic quality of action? How often is an action scene played to be light and breezy fun, and not serious and filled with tension? The reason the Paloma sequence is so beloved by fans and Ana De Armas is someone people wanted to see more of in the film is because it felt like a fun, vibrant little escape, the type of fun Bond should be having, what he is known for. So it's about how much the filmmakers give the comedic aspects room to drive the storytelling which will be the big shift we could see. A lot of people are slightly apprehensive about Superman's Superdog in the new trailer, but I'm willing to believe that James Gunn will either win those people over or they'll become a minority, in the same way there's still people that weren't happy Q was left out of Casino Royale, but most don't really care.

    My main point is that we live in a very different world now compared with when Craig was brought on board in 2005. An 8 year old kid today knows about sinister 6, the suicide squad, deadpool, multiverses, audiences are attuned to weird and whacky characters and different ways to tell stories, and the idea that Bond needs to stick to the same well worn path or the audience will cry foul just seems a bit outdated to me.
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