Where does Bond go after Craig?

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  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    As I say, Defence Intelligence is also a possibility.
  • VenutiusVenutius Yorkshire
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    Absolutely. Lots of scope for NewBond's backstory there.
  • I don’t know how well a truly faithful adaption would work but I had been working on a fan script with the Moonraker novel as an inspiration based on the concept of M essentially sanctioning a mission based on his distrust of a national hero industrialist who happens to be in his social circle. The bridge game probably won’t age well but you could easily replace that with something more contemporary and interesting to watch.
    Very interesting, I would love to read your script when it would be finished!
  • There's one little unused nugget in the Thunderball novel, where Spectre is suggested to have an above-board branch, even having M admitting to have done business with them.

    I had forgotten this completely but vaguely recall it now. You may have something here after all!

    I’m mining it for my own creative project. ;)

    Sounds like a great place to start from!
    James Bond Beyond? :P Like Batman Beyond, set in the future. There was one great frame in one of the Dynamite comics where everyone was using a cellphone that had the Spectre logo on the back; maybe they could explore the idea where Spectre becomes a multinational, out in the open corporation and Bond has to try and take them down in that new landscape.

    While Bond has always had one foot in the future, an iteration of Bond set definitively in the future of 20-30 years from now (with those ever elusive flying cars and everything) could be an interesting way to shake things up. SPECTRE as a multinational sounds a bit like LexCorp, but I could see it. I like the spookiness of a future where the SPECTRE logo truly is "everywhere" as Mr. White would say—on cellphones, in store windows, in commercials playing on the subway. Even Austin Powers had Dr. Evil's organization branch out into so-called legitimate business schemes while he was in cryo. I'm a little surprised we haven't had the head of a fictional multinational as a Bond villain yet. The closest we've come to that was Elliot Carver, and that was a good 25 years ago.

    Yeah it’d be very different, but I do quite like the idea. They’d have more freedom than a historical setting, so even though it’s not set now, they could still easily make it feel timely and relevant. I like the SPECTRE corporate dystopia angle too, that could work. It’s weird really. We’re in the age of the billionaire. The wealth, excess and sci-fi gadgets of the super rich has genuinely gotten to Bond villains levels, and big business types are as common targets in films now as they were in the 80s, but Bond hasn’t gone there for a while. It’s been creepy psychos with remote hidden lairs for a few films now. So, it’d be nice to have a baddy like that again.

    Taking that idea and applying it to a modern setting, maybe a story based on those doomsday climate change bunkers tech billionaires have in New Zealand? Building robot armies, using disciplinary collars to keep the armed guards in line, these are all very Bond villain suggestions that they’ve actually made

    https://amp.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/23/tech-industry-wealth-futurism-transhumanism-singularity

    https://www.theguardian.com/news/2018/feb/15/why-silicon-valley-billionaires-are-prepping-for-the-apocalypse-in-new-zealand

    Maybe some cabal of super rich attempts to bring about an apocalyptic event early, to get the upper hand and literally take over what’s left of the world in the aftermath? Although that sounds a bit too similar to Kingsman now that I think about it.

    Or going back to the future setting, if they wanted to go really big and bold with it, a new World War? Or the closest thing possible without a nuclear apocalypse happening. We haven’t seen Bond do any sort of war time espionage before, and doing that in the future could work as well as in World War 2.

    There really is an opportunity for the Bond films to go bigger in scale and in scope. Many of the ideas you just mentioned would be right in line with Blofeld trying to inaugurate World War Three from inside his volcano lair, just updated for the 21st century, and of course in the more story- and character-driven climate of today's films you could explore some pretty timely themes in a Bond adventure based upon big business types, tech billionaires, and global domination.
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    Maybe it's for the controversial thread, but I'd rather have smaller scales missions, like FRWL, CR, with episodic bigger ones of TB or GE scale.
  • Ludovico wrote: »
    Maybe it's for the controversial thread, but I'd rather have smaller scales missions, like FRWL, CR, with episodic bigger ones of TB or GE scale.

    I like having a nice mix of both, but I think the big missions do tend to work better in moderation, spaced out by smaller ones. Makes them feel more exciting. What I never want is another TSWLM/MR situation, where we go from one big end of the world scenario straight to another. As long as they keep things varied I’m happy.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Maybe it's for the controversial thread, but I'd rather have smaller scales missions, like FRWL, CR, with episodic bigger ones of TB or GE scale.

    I like having a nice mix of both, but I think the big missions do tend to work better in moderation, spaced out by smaller ones. Makes them feel more exciting. What I never want is another TSWLM/MR situation, where we go from one big end of the world scenario straight to another. As long as they keep things varied I’m happy.

    I like how they did it with the Craig era, a nice steady crescendo.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    I don't know if anyone knows... But with the Amazon acquisition still waiting to go through... Will this slow down the process of getting to B26?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @00Heaven … My feeling is Amazon will want a say in casting and direction of the new era (after all, they will be “the money” (and every penny of it)). It’s a very reasonable assumption that casting won’t begin in earnest until after the sale is complete. Also;

    Barbara Broccoli is also working on Daniel Craig’s MacBeth set to debut at the end of April and run through early summer (so she will be busy juggling that, as well as working on the release of a Civil Right’s era film she’s producing).
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    Your mention of the film coming up for Ms. Broccoli reminds of an idea I've touted somewhere in the past...a period Bond, set in the 1950s, with Idris Elba as JB, and he's deliberately chosen to go after the villain because it would be a remake of LALD. Need not have the alter ego Kananga - which came about in a unique way for RM's first Bond LALD. During the course of it, have Bond accompany Felix Leiter on a side excursion. Turns out Felix once in a while goes off on a non-authorized mission, and never gets found out. He captures lynchers and sets them up for arrest by the feds - not the local police or state police - and makes sure they'll be prosecuted successfully and won't get off the hook. He hangs them like strange fruit, but not killing them, and waits for the feds to arrive to find them and the evidence, maybe winks at a fed he knows, and then slips away. In this story, Bond would accompany Felix on such a mission, and, though tempted, does not kill the deserving perpetrators. That could mirror the ending, when Bond need not necessarily kill Mr. Big. The next film up I'd have Bond go after Dr. No, following the book on the torture sequence, giant squid, death by bat guano for ol' Julius. I'd also make sure to end both films on the water, with Bond and the leading lady together, and NOT interrupted. I see this as a trilogy, and would go with TB for the third one. A tropical triple.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    peter wrote: »
    @00Heaven … My feeling is Amazon will want a say in casting and direction of the new era (after all, they will be “the money” (and every penny of it)). It’s a very reasonable assumption that casting won’t begin in earnest until after the sale is complete. Also;

    Barbara Broccoli is also working on Daniel Craig’s MacBeth set to debut at the end of April and run through early summer (so she will be busy juggling that, as well as working on the release of a Civil Right’s era film she’s producing).

    Hmm. I (sort of!) guessed that. So it could all run in conjunction with BB's other commitments. I always had a hunch that Macbeth would come first for her right now but had no idea about the other movie she is producing... As an aside, I have no doubt that Craig will be cast in an EON movie that isn't Bond in the future... Just a hunch! I've no insider knowledge - it just seems like a no brainer to me.

    Will be interesting to see how Amazon and BB butt heads. I have a feeling this will happen and will make the next year or two interesting as Bond fans.

    BTW, @peter happy holidays (or Merry Christmas depending on what you celebrate) to you!

    (Also, every penny of it... I hear you... I hear you ;) )
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @00Heaven ... I live in Toronto as a first generation Canuck. However my youth was spent in Chingford, Epping Forest in Essex (and yes, I've heard the tales about Essex girls, 🤣), so I swing from Happy Christmas to Merry Christmas as it fits (so both to you and your family!).

    The film BB is producing (I forget the title), sounds quite interesting and will be produced by BB, her ex husband and Whoopi Goldberg (from my understanding this has been developed over quite some time).

    And yes, I have a feeling that BB will certainly butt heads with Amazon. As a streamer they will look to milk the Bond IP... Which is the antithesis to the way Broccoli et al approach their series...

    As for Craig being a part of a non-Bond EoN film?.... I'm presently working on that.
  • MaxCasinoMaxCasino United States
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Your mention of the film coming up for Ms. Broccoli reminds of an idea I've touted somewhere in the past...a period Bond, set in the 1950s, with Idris Elba as JB, and he's deliberately chosen to go after the villain because it would be a remake of LALD. Need not have the alter ego Kananga - which came about in a unique way for RM's first Bond LALD. During the course of it, have Bond accompany Felix Leiter on a side excursion. Turns out Felix once in a while goes off on a non-authorized mission, and never gets found out. He captures lynchers and sets them up for arrest by the feds - not the local police or state police - and makes sure they'll be prosecuted successfully and won't get off the hook. He hangs them like strange fruit, but not killing them, and waits for the feds to arrive to find them and the evidence, maybe winks at a fed he knows, and then slips away. In this story, Bond would accompany Felix on such a mission, and, though tempted, does not kill the deserving perpetrators. That could mirror the ending, when Bond need not necessarily kill Mr. Big. The next film up I'd have Bond go after Dr. No, following the book on the torture sequence, giant squid, death by bat guano for ol' Julius. I'd also make sure to end both films on the water, with Bond and the leading lady together, and NOT interrupted. I see this as a trilogy, and would go with TB for the third one. A tropical triple.

    I greatly like that idea.
    00Heaven wrote: »
    peter wrote: »
    @00Heaven … My feeling is Amazon will want a say in casting and direction of the new era (after all, they will be “the money” (and every penny of it)). It’s a very reasonable assumption that casting won’t begin in earnest until after the sale is complete. Also;

    Barbara Broccoli is also working on Daniel Craig’s MacBeth set to debut at the end of April and run through early summer (so she will be busy juggling that, as well as working on the release of a Civil Right’s era film she’s producing).

    Hmm. I (sort of!) guessed that. So it could all run in conjunction with BB's other commitments. I always had a hunch that Macbeth would come first for her right now but had no idea about the other movie she is producing... As an aside, I have no doubt that Craig will be cast in an EON movie that isn't Bond in the future... Just a hunch! I've no insider knowledge - it just seems like a no brainer to me.

    Will be interesting to see how Amazon and BB butt heads. I have a feeling this will happen and will make the next year or two interesting as Bond fans.

    BTW, @peter happy holidays (or Merry Christmas depending on what you celebrate) to you!

    (Also, every penny of it... I hear you... I hear you ;) )

    I imagine that Amazon is going to go head to head in one area: getting rid of Purvis and Wade. They will want fresh writing blood.
  • 00Heaven00Heaven Home
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    I would very much enjoy B26 being free or Purvis and Wade! It would be interesting to see what they could come up with.

    Also @peter that sounds very interesting! Also all the best to you and family :) I would have no idea about Essex girls though we have all heard the generalisations over here. I am very much a Scouse girl so more Craig's neck of the woods... We obviously have generalisations of our own ;)!
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @MaxCasino ... Not necessarily re: fresh writers. Whatever we think of them as fans, P&W are a steady hand that, even when they're "done", return to the series again and again.

    It seems that EoN are loyal to the value they bring, and the writers seem loyal to EoN. They appear best when they develop the blue-print drafts, and they know their Fleming.

    Amazon also will know that blockbuster films are usually developed by many writers, and, since they're new to the Bond/EoN way of filmmaking will, I think, be submissive to the way EoN puts the movie together... I don't think they'll be too interested in the writers.

    My feeling is they will be bullish on the director and the direction and casting for the next era.

    I also believe they will attempt to grow the IP. And this, if it indeed is attempted, will be the catalyst of an internal battle. Remember when it was first announced that Amazon was buying MGM, BB and MGW made a terse announcement of their own: Bond films would be made for the cinema (I'm paraphrasing), and; to date, it sounds like BB has had no substantial discussions with the Amazon team....

    Lots to look forward to.
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    peter wrote: »
    Barbara Broccoli is also working on Daniel Craig’s MacBeth set to debut at the end of April and run through early summer (so she will be busy juggling that, as well as working on the release of a Civil Right’s era film she’s producing).

    What is with all these Macbeth movies? Wasn't there one a few years ago starring Michael Fassbender? And one coming out right now with Denzel Washington playing Macbeth? And now another one with Daniel Craig?
  • peterpeter Toronto
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    @HarmonyRockets ... Craig is doing this on stage on Broadway.
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    Somehow I have a hunch 2022 will be a wash as far as looking towards the Bond series' future goes. With Barbara focused on other projects I can't see them even thinking about another Bond film for the next few years.
    In the meantime we can all laugh and joke while the media touts ridiculous Craig replacements for a Bond film not even greenlit yet.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    peter wrote: »
    @MaxCasino ... Not necessarily re: fresh writers. Whatever we think of them as fans, P&W are a steady hand that, even when they're "done", return to the series again and again.

    It seems that EoN are loyal to the value they bring, and the writers seem loyal to EoN. They appear best when they develop the blue-print drafts, and they know their Fleming.

    Amazon also will know that blockbuster films are usually developed by many writers, and, since they're new to the Bond/EoN way of filmmaking will, I think, be submissive to the way EoN puts the movie together... I don't think they'll be too interested in the writers.

    My feeling is they will be bullish on the director and the direction and casting for the next era.

    I also believe they will attempt to grow the IP. And this, if it indeed is attempted, will be the catalyst of an internal battle. Remember when it was first announced that Amazon was buying MGM, BB and MGW made a terse announcement of their own: Bond films would be made for the cinema (I'm paraphrasing), and; to date, it sounds like BB has had no substantial discussions with the Amazon team....

    Lots to look forward to.

    Yes, exactly. Amazon has money, so there will be more Bond films. We are not likely to experience financial delays in the future, as often happened with UA and MGM since at least 1980. And that's something for which all Bond fans can be grateful.
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Maybe it's for the controversial thread, but I'd rather have smaller scales missions, like FRWL, CR, with episodic bigger ones of TB or GE scale.

    I think the next one will be smaller scale, partly because of the success of CR as a demonstrator of how to start a new actor in the role, but also because Covid will scare studios off from making massive-budget films that require a ridiculous amount of box office just to break even.

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    Ludovico wrote: »
    Maybe it's for the controversial thread, but I'd rather have smaller scales missions, like FRWL, CR, with episodic bigger ones of TB or GE scale.

    I think the next one will be smaller scale, partly because of the success of CR as a demonstrator of how to start a new actor in the role, but also because Covid will scare studios off from making massive-budget films that require a ridiculous amount of box office just to break even.

    I think you might be right re Covid. It will influence the way films are made.
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Your mention of the film coming up for Ms. Broccoli reminds of an idea I've touted somewhere in the past...a period Bond, set in the 1950s, with Idris Elba as JB, and he's deliberately chosen to go after the villain because it would be a remake of LALD. Need not have the alter ego Kananga - which came about in a unique way for RM's first Bond LALD. During the course of it, have Bond accompany Felix Leiter on a side excursion. Turns out Felix once in a while goes off on a non-authorized mission, and never gets found out. He captures lynchers and sets them up for arrest by the feds - not the local police or state police - and makes sure they'll be prosecuted successfully and won't get off the hook. He hangs them like strange fruit, but not killing them, and waits for the feds to arrive to find them and the evidence, maybe winks at a fed he knows, and then slips away. In this story, Bond would accompany Felix on such a mission, and, though tempted, does not kill the deserving perpetrators. That could mirror the ending, when Bond need not necessarily kill Mr. Big. The next film up I'd have Bond go after Dr. No, following the book on the torture sequence, giant squid, death by bat guano for ol' Julius. I'd also make sure to end both films on the water, with Bond and the leading lady together, and NOT interrupted. I see this as a trilogy, and would go with TB for the third one. A tropical triple.

    Thanks heavens you are not working as a script writer for EON. Your ideas suddenly make P&W looks like genius writers.
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    Couldn’t you just let it pass without comment? Honestly, where does this nastiness come from? He’s just throwing out an idea.
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Your mention of the film coming up for Ms. Broccoli reminds of an idea I've touted somewhere in the past...a period Bond, set in the 1950s, with Idris Elba as JB, and he's deliberately chosen to go after the villain because it would be a remake of LALD. Need not have the alter ego Kananga - which came about in a unique way for RM's first Bond LALD. During the course of it, have Bond accompany Felix Leiter on a side excursion. Turns out Felix once in a while goes off on a non-authorized mission, and never gets found out. He captures lynchers and sets them up for arrest by the feds - not the local police or state police - and makes sure they'll be prosecuted successfully and won't get off the hook. He hangs them like strange fruit, but not killing them, and waits for the feds to arrive to find them and the evidence, maybe winks at a fed he knows, and then slips away. In this story, Bond would accompany Felix on such a mission, and, though tempted, does not kill the deserving perpetrators. That could mirror the ending, when Bond need not necessarily kill Mr. Big. The next film up I'd have Bond go after Dr. No, following the book on the torture sequence, giant squid, death by bat guano for ol' Julius. I'd also make sure to end both films on the water, with Bond and the leading lady together, and NOT interrupted. I see this as a trilogy, and would go with TB for the third one. A tropical triple.

    Thanks heavens you are not working as a script writer for EON. Your ideas suddenly make P&W looks like genius writers.

    Did you notice how the vast majority of what I wrote merely was a reference to Fleming's own original story-telling ? Ok, you need not like Fleming's work, certainly.
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    I am hoping for Fun.. Henry Cavill I think though he isn't the best actor would easily bring back the fun to the franchise.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Henry Cavill as
    Pierce Brosnan's James Bond 007
    in
    Nail in the Coffin
  • edited December 2021 Posts: 3,327
    Since62 wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Your mention of the film coming up for Ms. Broccoli reminds of an idea I've touted somewhere in the past...a period Bond, set in the 1950s, with Idris Elba as JB, and he's deliberately chosen to go after the villain because it would be a remake of LALD. Need not have the alter ego Kananga - which came about in a unique way for RM's first Bond LALD. During the course of it, have Bond accompany Felix Leiter on a side excursion. Turns out Felix once in a while goes off on a non-authorized mission, and never gets found out. He captures lynchers and sets them up for arrest by the feds - not the local police or state police - and makes sure they'll be prosecuted successfully and won't get off the hook. He hangs them like strange fruit, but not killing them, and waits for the feds to arrive to find them and the evidence, maybe winks at a fed he knows, and then slips away. In this story, Bond would accompany Felix on such a mission, and, though tempted, does not kill the deserving perpetrators. That could mirror the ending, when Bond need not necessarily kill Mr. Big. The next film up I'd have Bond go after Dr. No, following the book on the torture sequence, giant squid, death by bat guano for ol' Julius. I'd also make sure to end both films on the water, with Bond and the leading lady together, and NOT interrupted. I see this as a trilogy, and would go with TB for the third one. A tropical triple.

    Thanks heavens you are not working as a script writer for EON. Your ideas suddenly make P&W looks like genius writers.

    Did you notice how the vast majority of what I wrote merely was a reference to Fleming's own original story-telling ? Ok, you need not like Fleming's work, certainly.

    I thought it was a daft idea having a black Bond set in the 1950's, regardless of any Fleming ideas that followed, as it wouldn't be accurately adapting the dated British Empire Etonian upper class white stereotype from that era, which Fleming obviously based Bond around.

    Then having a black Bond in the 1950's venturing into Harlem in LALD, and it loses all the connotations that came with a white guy stepping into that unfamiliar and unwelcoming territory.

    I get the argument for a black actor to play Bond in modern times (even though I personally don't agree with this - I think the actor should resemble Fleming's description as close as possible), but it makes no sense when setting it in the era that Fleming wrote the books.

    Apologies if my criticism sounded harsh.
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    Couldn’t you just let it pass without comment? Honestly, where does this nastiness come from? He’s just throwing out an idea.

    Fair enough, I've apologised to him. Merry Christmas one and all.
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    Since62 wrote: »
    Since62 wrote: »
    Your mention of the film coming up for Ms. Broccoli reminds of an idea I've touted somewhere in the past...a period Bond, set in the 1950s, with Idris Elba as JB, and he's deliberately chosen to go after the villain because it would be a remake of LALD. Need not have the alter ego Kananga - which came about in a unique way for RM's first Bond LALD. During the course of it, have Bond accompany Felix Leiter on a side excursion. Turns out Felix once in a while goes off on a non-authorized mission, and never gets found out. He captures lynchers and sets them up for arrest by the feds - not the local police or state police - and makes sure they'll be prosecuted successfully and won't get off the hook. He hangs them like strange fruit, but not killing them, and waits for the feds to arrive to find them and the evidence, maybe winks at a fed he knows, and then slips away. In this story, Bond would accompany Felix on such a mission, and, though tempted, does not kill the deserving perpetrators. That could mirror the ending, when Bond need not necessarily kill Mr. Big. The next film up I'd have Bond go after Dr. No, following the book on the torture sequence, giant squid, death by bat guano for ol' Julius. I'd also make sure to end both films on the water, with Bond and the leading lady together, and NOT interrupted. I see this as a trilogy, and would go with TB for the third one. A tropical triple.

    Thanks heavens you are not working as a script writer for EON. Your ideas suddenly make P&W looks like genius writers.

    Did you notice how the vast majority of what I wrote merely was a reference to Fleming's own original story-telling ? Ok, you need not like Fleming's work, certainly.

    I thought it was a daft idea having a black Bond set in the 1950's, regardless of any Fleming ideas that followed, as it wouldn't be accurately adapting the dated British Empire Etonian upper class white stereotype from that era, which Fleming obviously based Bond around.

    Then having a black Bond in the 1950's venturing into Harlem in LALD, and it loses all the connotations that came with a white guy stepping into that unfamiliar and unwelcoming territory.

    I get the argument for a black actor to play Bond in modern times (even though I personally don't agree with this - I think the actor should resemble Fleming's description as close as possible), but it makes no sense when setting it in the era that Fleming wrote the books.

    Apologies if my criticism sounded harsh.

    My suggestion is that - even in the 1950s - the Secret Service could be presumed to know when and where to send the right agent to the right situation, varying as to race, gender, sexual flexibility, nationality, languages spoken, etc. Did Fleming write a white Bond ? Yes, but he also wrote Bond as an outsider who did not necessarily belong in those upper crust schools, and got kicked out. His parents were not English, though one was from Great Britain. The way he wrote the relationship of Bond and Leiter would accommodate one doing the other a favor "off the books" and such things may well be considered encouraged, not just tolerated, for the sake of friendship and solidarity and cooperation between their agencies as well as themselves as individuals. Would it vary from Bond as written ? Only in terms of skin color. In terms of certain missions, it would make much more operational sense. There's been more than two dozen of these made, and variety could be quite fine.

    I realize some folks would say, "Fine ! Write it as a new character, another agent working OHMSS." I'd be fine with that, too. I really can see an Indian agent, and a Chinese, one, too, but, really, from all over, since the British Empire was all over the globe. I would be greatly in favor of an expanded Bond universe. Some on long-form TV, some in films, present the Young Bonds and IN PERIOD, some adult Bonds in period and some - as presently done - in the present day. Present other characters. All that.
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    They will cast Will Smith I guess.
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