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Actually, GE is thought of by alot of people as the best/one of the best bond films, I don't think its brosnans best but I enjoy it. I loved brosnans bond, he had all the right qualities. TWINE is still my favourite brosnan bond film, and until craig got the part there was never much criticism of brosnan (and I think he doesn't deserve the hate he gets). BUT, as good as brosnan was, nobody could top dalton to me, which brings us back to the point of this thread.
I love both films, but LTK takes it for me. TLD was a great film, (imo) the 2nd best in the series, but LTK is pure greatness. Its a masterpiece, dalton is at his best, the villian and story are great (THIS is how bond going for revenge should be done, not the bourne-style way QOS did it), the girls are great, the action and stunts are brilliant (the plane fishing is really cool and nolan has obviously drawn inspiration from it for TDKR), and the films finale is great. Brilliant film, my fave of all time.
when did Bond ever go rouge in QOS?
He went rogue right at the end for the films finale, but I didn't mean to type that, I meant bond going for revenge.
as far as revenge - whether it's part of the main plot, or in a subtle way, revenge always plays a small part in the majority of Bond films.
No one can seriuosly claim GE is the best Bond movie. Surely?
It's 'rogue', not rouge... sorry to point it out... ;)
"No one can seriuosly claim GE is the best Bond movie. Surely?"
Well its one of my favourites so deal with it!!
umm... I do..... whats your point?
*EDIT*woops.... i just reread that.... i thought you were saying Best Brosnan Bond... lol... my bad
I found GE to be a darker Bond movie than most, given the eerie score, the slaughter at Severnaya, the gun fight in the archives, anything with Xenia, the meeting at the Memorial, the train confrontation, etc. As for FRWL, you've got the Cold War spying, Red Grant's assassinations, including Kerim's death, the fist fight on the train, Rosa Klebb's attack at the end, etc. I found it to be darker than some of the other Bond movies that would follow it, and I think that's what Fleming had in mind when he wrote FRWL.
Ehh...they're pretty darn close I guess
Though as the years have gone on since catching LTK twice in one day on it's opening Friday I think TLD has dated better and feels a more complete film and as my friend above said the production values are definitely better, also TLD has one of the best PTS of the series and a great final score from Barry.
While LTK was tailored for Tim some of the clichés are still there and just feel quite out of place, loosing the gadgets and Q for this entry would have been a better way to go especially with revenge element, the Q sequences seem very out of place, although LTK has some terrific set pieces in it.
I'm definitely a Tim fan and like both films more than any of the Moore and Brosnan era
but TLD hold up the best now and I look forward to catching both on Blu ray in October.
I must admit, I hated it upon first viewing back in '89, but quickly changed my opinion and embraced its fresh and hard-edged approach. Though I too am a little skepctical of the whole Bond-going-rogue concept, I nonetheless think the movie feels more like Fleming than most others in the series, and that, to me, is a point to appreciate. I agree that the production values are stronger in TLD, as it essentially looks more like a Bond movie, but LTK still manages to be spectacular where it counts. The tanker truck chase is, in my opinion, hands down one of the best action set pieces of the entire series. Carey Lowell is one of my favorite Bond girls, I love her sass and feisty personality. Soto on the other hand, her stunning features notwithstanding, is a low point.
But the thing that puts LTK above TLD more than any other element is the villain. It's no contest in this case. Davi really made you hate him, and as such, raised the dramatic stakes of the conflict that much more.
All in all, after OHMSS, FRWL and CR, Licence to Kill is my favorite of the films.
Agreed, yes it has India, but most of OCT is cold war most definate. Great film
I think I'll put both on tonight.
But Michael Kamen's music was tops, too! The gunbarrel music plays in my head whenever I'm in a rage, up to this day!
At least Bond gets out and about and isn't just restricted to one or two locations with the other. License to Kill doesn't even feel like a James Bond release sometimes when you watch, even though Dalton gives another superlative performance and Davi is a very good villain with great supporting cast from a young Benicio Del Toro
But Daylights is probably the most Fleming-esque Bond release since From Russia With Love, and Dalton reminds me so much of Connery from '63 whenever I watch
Whereas LTK has fantastic pace, one of the best villains, excellent set pieces and due to the different direction is overall more memorable. This was hard though because I seriously love them both :D
LTK has IMO one of the single most cringe worthy sequences in the whole series- when Soto comes to the suite, "James I loff heem so mooch, I don no what I gonna do..." -straight from the Tayna Roberts school of emoting.
How... I'm sure I posted this in another thread. A thread about which our favorite soundtrack in the series is. Oh well, maybe I'm just confused. Wouldn't be the first time.