The Great Bond Titles Elimination Game

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  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,369
    Monday

    01. Dr. No - 26 -2
    02. From Russia With Love - 35
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 29
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38 (+1)
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 34
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33 +1
    13. Octopussy - 8
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 11
    17. GoldenEye - 26
    18. The World is Not Enough - 36
    19. Die Another Day - 5
    20. Casino Royale - 31
    21. Quantum of Solace - 8
    22. Skyfall - 26
    23. Spectre - 4

    Eliminated:
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 35
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 29
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 34
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 8
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 11
    17. GoldenEye - 27 (+1)
    18. The World is Not Enough - 36
    19. Die Another Day - 5
    20. Casino Royale - 31
    21. Quantum of Solace - 8
    22. Skyfall - 26
    23. Spectre - 2 (-2)

    Eliminated:
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    The spectre of defeat is upon, well, Spectre.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,297
    Tuesday:

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 35
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 29
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 35 (+1)
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 8
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9 (-2)
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 36
    19. Die Another Day - 5
    20. Casino Royale - 31
    21. Quantum of Solace - 8
    22. Skyfall - 26
    23. Spectre - 2

    Eliminated:
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • MansfieldMansfield Where the hell have you been?
    Posts: 1,263
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 35
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 29
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 8
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 36
    19. Die Another Day - 3 (-2)
    20. Casino Royale - 31
    21. Quantum of Solace - 8
    22. Skyfall - 26
    23. Spectre - 3 (+1) (It's not a top title, but it's not the second worst. Come on.)

    Eliminated:
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
    Posts: 538
    Monday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 35
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 29
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 8
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 36
    19. Die Another Day - 1 (-2)
    20. Casino Royale - 31
    21. Quantum of Solace - 8
    22. Skyfall - 26
    23. Spectre - 4 (+1)

    Eliminated:
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies

  • edited September 2015 Posts: 12,466
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 35
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 30 (+1)
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 7 (-1)
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 36
    19. Die Another Day - 0 (-1) ELIMINATED
    20. Casino Royale - 31
    21. Quantum of Solace - 8
    22. Skyfall - 26
    23. Spectre - 4

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,341
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36 (+1)
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 30
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 5 (-2)
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 36
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 8
    21. Skyfall - 26
    22. Spectre - 4

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 30
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 34
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37 (+1)
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 8
    21. Skyfall - 26
    22. Spectre - 2 (-2)

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 30
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 35 (+1)
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 8
    21. Skyfall - 24
    22. Spectre - 1 (-2)

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    This is my take on the Spectre title- I've now had a couple of months to let it sink and for it to become familiar. And I think my opinion of it hasn't changed since it was revealed, in that I think it's pretty lazy and uninspired- more so than Die Another Day, which I think rolls of the tongue nicely and has a nice link to the film. Although Tomorrow Never Lies would have been infinitely better, I've come to the conclusion that there is some tenous link to the film. Tomorrow is part of the CMGN, which provides the world with 24/7 news coverage, has a range of magazines and of course distributes the Tomorrow newspaper in many countries throughout the world- essentially, Tommorow never dies, Carver's ability to reach billions of people never ceases.

    Back to Spectre- for me, it just comes across as being nothing more than being a marketing device. It's a loooong way away from the likes of LALD, TMWTGG, FRWL etc., and even the weaker Fleming titles, QOS and OP.
  • 01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 30
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36 +1
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 33
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 6 -2
    21. Skyfall - 24
    22. Spectre - 1

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28 -2
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 43
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 34 +1
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 6
    21. Skyfall - 24
    22. Spectre - 1

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    SPECTRE is a better and more evocative title than the silly THUNDERBALL: This is what Fleming should have named his 8th novel.
  • BennyBenny Shaken not stirredAdministrator, Moderator
    Posts: 15,135
    Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44 +1
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 34
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 4 -2
    21. Skyfall - 24
    22. Spectre - 1

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies

  • AntiLocqueBrakesAntiLocqueBrakes The edge
    Posts: 538
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28
    05. You Only Live Twice - 38
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44 +1
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 34
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 2 (-2)
    21. Skyfall - 24
    22. Spectre - 2 (+1)

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    I don't like the title Spectre, it is awkward, uninspired and many people don't know how to pronounce it properly.

    Why is Quantum Of Solace soon eliminated?? It's memorable, mysterious, imaginative, and the best three words since The Living Daylights.

    As for Die Another Day, it's obvious why about everybody immediately voted it down.
    If DAD would happen to be one of the most beloved Bond movies it still would have 30 points.
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
    Posts: 805
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39 (+1)
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 34
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 9
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Quantum of Solace - 0 (-2) ELIMINATED
    21. Skyfall - 24
    22. Spectre - 2

    Eliminated:
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited September 2015 Posts: 9,020
    Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 34
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 32
    16. Licence to Kill - 10 (+1)
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 24
    21. Spectre - 0 (-2)

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    Posts: 6,297
    Wednesday:

    01. Dr. No - 26
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 34
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 33 (+1)
    16. Licence to Kill - 8 (-2)
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 24

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • Posts: 12,466
    How did Octopussy escape the bottom 3?? :-/
  • MooseWithFleasMooseWithFleas Philadelphia
    Posts: 3,369
    Tuesday

    01. Dr. No - 24 -2
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35 +1
    13. Octopussy - 5
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 33
    16. Licence to Kill - 8
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 24

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Birdleson wrote: »
    That sucked. Two great titles gone in a row.

    Very true, TND and DAD should have gotten at least into the top 10 [-(
  • Posts: 12,466
    Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 24
    02. From Russia With Love - 36
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 28
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35
    13. Octopussy - 3 (-2)
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 33
    16. Licence to Kill - 8
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 25 (+1)

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • zebrafishzebrafish <°)))< in Octopussy's garden in the shade
    Posts: 4,341
    Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 24
    02. From Russia With Love - 37 (+1)
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 26 (-2)
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35
    13. Octopussy - 3
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 33
    16. Licence to Kill - 8
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 37
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 25

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 24
    02. From Russia With Love - 37
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 26
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35
    13. Octopussy - 3
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 33
    16. Licence to Kill - 8
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 38 (+1)
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 23 (-2)

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • DrShatterhandDrShatterhand Garden of Death, near Belfast
    Posts: 805
    Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 24
    02. From Russia With Love - 37
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 26
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 36
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35
    13. Octopussy - 1 (-2)
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 34 (+1)
    16. Licence to Kill - 8
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 38
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 23

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies

  • MayDayDiVicenzoMayDayDiVicenzo Here and there
    Posts: 5,080
    Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 24
    02. From Russia With Love - 37
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 26
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 37 (+1)
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35
    13. Octopussy - 1
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 34
    16. Licence to Kill - 8
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 38
    19. Casino Royale - 31
    20. Skyfall - 21 (-2)

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 23 -1
    02. From Russia With Love - 37
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 26
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 37
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35
    13. Octopussy - 0 -1 Eliminated
    14. A View to a Kill - 31
    15. The Living Daylights - 34
    16. Licence to Kill - 8
    17. GoldenEye - 27
    18. The World is Not Enough - 38
    19. Casino Royale - 32 +1
    20. Skyfall - 21

    Eliminated:
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Wednesday

    01. Dr. No - 24
    02. From Russia With Love - 37
    03. Goldfinger - 31
    04. Thunderball - 24 -2
    05. You Only Live Twice - 39
    06. On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 36
    07. Diamonds are Forever - 38
    08. Live and Let Die - 44
    09. The Man with the Golden Gun - 36
    10. The Spy Who Loved Me - 37
    11. Moonraker - 35
    12. For Your Eyes Only - 35
    13. A View to a Kill - 31
    14. The Living Daylights - 34
    15. Licence to Kill - 8
    16. GoldenEye - 27
    17. The World is Not Enough - 38
    18. Casino Royale - 32
    19. Skyfall - 20 +1

    Eliminated:
    20. Octopussy
    21. Spectre
    22. Quantum Of Solace
    23. Die Another Day
    24. Tomorrow Never Dies
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