The case for and against... Martin Campbell

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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @bondjames

    EON started to cast accomplished actors and actresses even for minor roles when the Bosnan era began.
    Just look at the cast of GE and the movies since.
    That may have something to do with it as well. Brosnan and Craig get to act with people which are clearly better than them.
    Judi Dench being the obvious example. But there are a great many others in the last 7 movies.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    For: CR

    Against.GE

    No other director s work has improved so drastically.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Funny how some people get allergic reactions when they think about Campbell...

    uhhh...he did a Brosnan movie....he must be bad....

    uhhh...he did Craig's first movie the fabulous perfect greatest ever Casino Royale...he must be good....

    ....oh I just say, GE was crap, CR was gold. That's the solution and very believable...
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    @bondjames

    EON started to cast accomplished actors and actresses even for minor roles when the Bosnan era began.
    Just look at the cast of GE and the movies since.
    That may have something to do with it as well. Brosnan and Craig get to act with people which are clearly better than them.
    Judi Dench being the obvious example. But there are a great many others in the last 7 movies.

    Fair enough. They had some quality names in the past too though (Davi is excellent, as is Del Torro, Krabbe, Rhy-Davies, Zerbe, Walken, Macnee, Jourdan, Glover etc. etc.).
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    Another case "for" Martin Campbell.

    The torture scene in CR.

  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    pachazo wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    The silliness in some scenes in GE were a direct response to the poor box office reception of the harder edged (and much more serious) LTK and the time that had elapsed between Bond films. EON were unsure what would work with Bond since their brave experiment had failed to catch on 6 years earlier, and so took the safe route.
    Personally, I don't think it's a coincidence that the PTS of GE takes place in 1986. Seems like EON had washed their hands of the (then unpopular) Dalton era. See, it's the one you all wanted as Bond back in '86! That other fella never happened! I know that's not a popular opinion but it struck me as odd back then and I'll never see it any other way.

    I completely agree with this. The 1986 PTS was an in-joke.

    When they did GE (not sure how much Cubby was involved at this time), they took a page out of the TSWLM handbook--make it bigger, more glamorous, and more fun.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Funny how some people get allergic reactions when they think about Campbell...

    uhhh...he did a Brosnan movie....he must be bad....

    uhhh...he did Craig's first movie the fabulous perfect greatest ever Casino Royale...he must be good....

    ....oh I just say, GE was crap, CR was gold. That's the solution and very believable...

    There is no problem that needs a "solution". Campbell is hardly the only director with both crap and gold under his belt, within or outside the Bonds.

    Some directors have almost complete control over their work from start to finish. The auteurs, if you will.

    Others are more workmanlike and get the job done that is asked of them, with the material they are provided. The output will thence vary more in quality. Nothing mysterious about it.
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    trevanian wrote: »
    but in Bond I think he always blew the 'Bond James Bond' line reading, way too mild in GE and TND, and then of course the 'comic book' reading in TWINE.

    Of course I also HATE, that "the name's" part -- Connery sure didn't need that, it is "my name is ... "

    That's always irked me too. Now a lot of younger fans think it's "THE name's Bond...James Bond" when for the first 20 or so years it was "MY name is..." which I recall can be found in the original novels too.
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    Campbell directed the two best movies in the franchise IMO. I think Goldeneye is just as good as Casino Royale. GE was a much softer reboot but in that time in 95 it was perfect.

    Depending on how SP is recieved I wouldnt put Mendes above Campbell. Several of the above posts echo my thoughts but that fight scene between 006 & 007 has yet to be topped IMO.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Tuck91 wrote: »
    Campbell directed the two best movies in the franchise IMO. I think Goldeneye is just as good as Casino Royale. GE was a much softer reboot but in that time in 95 it was perfect.

    Depending on how SP is recieved I wouldnt put Mendes above Campbell. Several of the above posts echo my thoughts but that fight scene between 006 & 007 has yet to be topped IMO.

    Agree completely, but it's the other way around: "...Casino Royale is just as good as Goldeneye..." that would be the correct way to express it :D
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    Campbell's contribution to the series is definitely recognised and quite frankly I don't care about his work outside of Bond but if ever his name comes up to direct another Bond movie, that's more than enough reason for me to rid myself of anxiousness and rejoice.

    No Bond movie is perfect but Campbell's efforts strive to be as close to perfect as can possibly be. He also has had the task of introducing Bond actors #5 and 6 and did a remarkable job with both. There's no need for themes to be constructed and implemented in an obvious and conscious way; Campbell just gets on with the show while captaining the production with genuine craftsmanship. He understands the world of Bond. He knows who the characters are and as such, brings to life performances not just from the actors but from the locations, environments and vehicles.

    Campbell really knows how to keep audiences engaged and is able to marry plot and action very well. Some people have issues with some of his set pieces such as the Tank in St. Perersburg or the Miami airport and the Venice sinking house but I've never been bothered by those other than the airport scene needing to be trimmed by 3 mins.

    On the whole Campbell has proven himself to be reliable in creating Bond movies that deliver and further cement the importance and legend that is James Bond. GE is a classic that reaffirmed to the world that Bond truly is timeless and isn't suspended by the hooks of the cold war. CR is also a classic and I dare say an instant one at that that gave Campbell a mostly blank canvas to flex his upgraded artistic muscles which resulted in a movie that restored credibility to the series, showed that Bond is still THE number one spy series and ultimately redefined and repopularised what it truly means to be James Bond and who this man is but without the crutch of mellow drama to facilitate good acting.

    As it is, in my book Terence Young is the best director of the Bond series, followed by Campbell. I think it's both wise and unfortunate he's only made 2 Bond movies because both movies are fantastic and I can appreciate if he didn't want to ruin his run but on the flip side the series could really stand to gain a lot from the energy he brings when making these Bond movies and if Mendes really isn't coming back after SP then whenever Craig's last movie is; Bond 25 or 26 I'd be delighted for Campbell to return and helm Craig's swan song.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Well said.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Mask Of Zorro & Legend Of Zorro are the two best Batman films ever made....
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    I think DC would love having Sam Mendes for his final film but i also think he would happily have Martin Campbell back too although i think this is highly unlikely.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    SJK91 wrote: »
    Casino Royale has some of the franchise's best direction. Great tense moments, all actors are shining, there is not a missed beat to be honest. I feel Campbell can be given a fair bit of credit for that. GoldenEye is a conundrum for me. I actually do like the film quite a bit as it sits right around the 10 spot for me. At the same time, Pierce Brosnan is upstaged by just about everyone in the film. (This is very clear during 006's revelation in the statue park. Sean Bean acts Brosnan right off the screen.) Is that and other examples like that Campbell's fault? Or does Sean Bean just have that much more presence that Brosnan any direction withstanding? I'm not so sure.

    Consider this:

    Daniel Craig's acting in the lengthy scene in the train when he first meets Vesper is less than impressive. Eva Green is simply stealing the hole sequence and Craig does nothing against it.
    It's not the only scene with Craig where I feel he doesn't act really better than Brosnan did in GE.
    Is it Eva Green's fault or Campbell's?

    I personally think that was meant to be and intentional. She is supposed to impress the hell out of him and get the better of him, which she convincingly does...

    His approving and surprised glance back at her as she leaves sort of confirms it.

    I too had a new found appreciation for accountants after that scene.

    Craig is a less forceful presence than Connery and does it seems to me sometimes allow his leading ladies to dominate. Look at TGWTDT. I dont think that it's bad acting but sometimes it would be nice if he amped it up a bit more.
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    bondjames wrote: »
    SJK91 wrote: »
    Casino Royale has some of the franchise's best direction. Great tense moments, all actors are shining, there is not a missed beat to be honest. I feel Campbell can be given a fair bit of credit for that. GoldenEye is a conundrum for me
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    SJK91 wrote: »
    Casino Royale has some of the franchise's best direction. Great tense moments, all actors are shining, there is not a missed beat to be honest. I feel Campbell can be given a fair bit of credit for that. GoldenEye is a conundrum for me. I actually do like the film quite a bit as it sits right around the 10 spot for me. At the same time, Pierce Brosnan is upstaged by just about everyone in the film. (This is very clear during 006's revelation in the statue park. Sean Bean acts Brosnan right off the screen.) Is that and other examples like that Campbell's fault? Or does Sean Bean just have that much more presence that Brosnan any direction withstanding? I'm not so sure.

    Consider this:

    Daniel Craig's acting in the lengthy scene in the train when he first meets Vesper is less than impressive. Eva Green is simply stealing the hole sequence and Craig does nothing against it.
    It's not the only scene with Craig where I feel he doesn't act really better than Brosnan did in GE.
    Is it Eva Green's fault or Campbell's?

    I personally think that was meant to be and intentional. She is supposed to impress the hell out of him and get the better of him, which she convincingly does...

    His approving and surprised glance back at her as she leaves sort of confirms it.

    I too had a new found appreciation for accountants after that scene.

    Craig is a less forceful presence than Connery and does it seems to me sometimes allow his leading ladies to dominate. Look at TGWTDT. I dont think that it's bad acting but sometimes it would be nice if he amped it up a bit more.

    That's true, but I really don't know anyone who can be as forceful a presence as Connery to be honest.

    I think though in both the examples you cite, he was intentionally toning it down (for CR because Vesper was supposed to get the better of him, and for TGWTDT because Lisbeth is meant to be a force of nature).
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Name another actor who can be as forceful a presence as Connery??? I can't.
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    err...Humphrey Bogart??
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Not handsome like Sean though was he. He had presence, but was a less believable ladies man (that Sean could knock into next week in a fight over a lady).
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    good point. Clark Gable?
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Smooth actor but more in the gentleman Moore mould than SC. Connery is far more virile and manly.
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    Ok, you've got me stumped. No-one can compete with Connery.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    Martin Campbell?
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    suavejmf wrote: »
    Name another actor who can be as forceful a presence as Connery??? I can't.

    Burt Lancaster? Robert Mitchum? Kirk Douglas?

    Whether any of them match Connery in the looks department is debatable perhaps.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Getafix wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Name another actor who can be as forceful a presence as Connery??? I can't.

    Burt Lancaster? Robert Mitchum? Kirk Douglas?

    Whether any of them match Connery in the looks department is debatable perhaps.

    I don't think any of these guys had the dark sauveness of Connery combined with the perceived toughness. They're just tough. I have never seen a combination like he brought in his younger days (and even later, in films like the Rock). He was just so natural at projecting refined, yet definite manliness. He didn't have to even say anything......he also looked it and he walked it
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
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    Getafix wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Name another actor who can be as forceful a presence as Connery??? I can't.

    Burt Lancaster? Robert Mitchum? Kirk Douglas?

    Whether any of them match Connery in the looks department is debatable perhaps.

    Out of those, only Connery can still leave an indelible mark on any teenager in 2015 watching one of his Bond films for the first time.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
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    Agreed. Robert Mitcham as Max Cady....manly and hard not to mention mental...but not suave!
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    I'll have to say though, even though he's not much of a star, Ray Stevenson has the same qualities Connery has imho. The man should definitely have been Bond...
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    bondjames wrote: »
    Getafix wrote: »
    suavejmf wrote: »
    Name another actor who can be as forceful a presence as Connery??? I can't.

    Burt Lancaster? Robert Mitchum? Kirk Douglas?

    Whether any of them match Connery in the looks department is debatable perhaps.

    I don't think any of these guys had the dark sauveness of Connery combined with the perceived toughness. They're just tough. I have never seen a combination like he brought in his younger days (and even later, in films like the Rock). He was just so natural at projecting refined, yet definite manliness. He didn't have to even say anything......he also looked it and he walked it

    Yes but the question was about a forceful presence.
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