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Very interesting and commendable @Creasy. Though I don't agree with smoking, you do it for no other reasons than enjoyment and relief of stressors. One of the things I hate most about smoking it the second hand smoke that those who choose not to smoke have to inhale. I can understand if smokers want to hurt their lungs, but why ours too?
Same here. I think it's everybody's own business if they smoke or not just like if they exercise or not, eat healthily or unhealthily or not etc. I've never smoked, not once, just never been interested to even try, but I understand it can be pleasurable and I have no problem with people enjoying it if they so choose. But the problem is that very few smokers take other people into consideration all that much. Indoors they often have to - at least where I live since smoking indoors at work, or in restaurants, etc. is not allowed. I have smokers living around me, which considerably limits my chance to enjoy using my own balcony on nice summer days - I like reading there and stuff like that, but if I have to inhale cigarette smoke at the same time it just ruins it. I can't open the window anytime I want to get some fresh air in, either. If I'm at a bus stop and someone beside me lights up I can move further away, yes... but say it's raining... do I stay under the roof there breathing smoke or choose fresh air and getting soaked? Most smokers don't take kindly to being asked not to smoke in outdoors situations like that. And it's not like I think I'll get cancer from such small amounts of cigarette smoke, but I just find the smoke highly unpleasant, and if I'm not feeling my best (tired, ill, or something) it makes me feel slightly sick. But hey... I do realize I may have been just spoiled rotten for living in an otherwise relatively unpolluted environment with clean air. ;)
Except that I smoke cigars, I quite agree. And the second hand smoke findings I might add are not "gospel" and not proven, it depends on who you choose to believe whether it's the anti lobby or the pro lobby who each have evidence to support their claims.
If I'm outside smoking a cigar where I am permitted, why should I put it out or move because a non-smoker decides to stand near me and complain? I've had it happen and I told them get to stepping if they don't like it because I have the right to smoke wherever it is permitted. It's L-E-G-A-L. Non-smokers think anymore that "might is right" and I won't stand for it.
Even if I'm out and about, whether it's in a friend's car or just on a bench on a sidewalk, I always care to blow the smoke far away from others, and I always ask anyone if they mind if I smoke. Common courtesy. What I'm doing is legal, but I still inquire about everyone else's opinion.
If you hate second-hand smoke, avoid it. Don't come around me (or other smokers) and then complain. I will laugh at you with great relish.
All smokers should look up to your model. Good on you, mate.
I would not want a tumble with Severine and it's specifically because she's a smoker.
As soon as I saw her smoking in the film she ceased to be a sexually attractive woman to me. I can appreciate that she's pretty in the same way that I can appreciate that the DB5 is a beautiful car but I would have no desire to be with her.
To those that think that I'm exaggerating I'll give some context. I'm 43 and have dated a fair number of women in my life, especially after my ex and I split up. I'm at the point where I don't need to check things off a checklist or gain "new experiences" so I can afford to be more discriminating. Now, did I sleep with smokers when I was young? Yes, of course, because if an opportunity came up to sleep with a woman more beautiful than I had ever been with (especially when I was younger and had more limited experience) then I would take it.
What I learned from sleeping with smokers is that it affects the sex incredibly. Dan Savage summarized it perfectly when he said that all those toxins have to come out somewhere. A woman might use mouthwash but in most cases it covers the taste but doesn't eliminate it. And when I kissed a smoker for the first time I finally understood the phrase "it's like licking an ashtray".
But worse than that the smell comes out of the skin's pores as someone starts to sweat - which is what you would want to happen with good sex. But even worse, it comes out *everywhere*. And as I said in a previous post, no woman will use mouthwash in that...special place. Which means I'll never use my mouth there which cuts off a hugely pleasurable part of the experience for both of us. It really is amazing how a person's lifestyle - healthy or unhealthy - affects their body chemistry. And I've dated smokers and women who are exceptionally healthy and everyone inbetween I can can vouch for this.
So I reached the point in my life where I realized that I didn't want to experience the...yuckiness of being with a smoker. And because they are only 20% of the population it's statistically unlikely that you'll be lonely if you cut them out of your dating pool. And this is just talking about the sex, there are other factors as well. At my age the smoking really takes a toll on the smoker's face - lots of fine wrinkles and a sallow colour start to develop. I find that most women my age who have smoked since their 20s look ten years older than non-smokers.
So nope, no interest in sleeping with Severine.
Creasy, she's all yours :-)
And I do appreciate the effort you and people like you make to be considerate of non-smokers.
I think I laid out clearly what else there is to consider. Personal tastes (literally!) come into play obviously. But do you really think that out of the 3 billion women in the world none are as hot as her?
Sure she is hot. It is just the no smoking in Bond films comments said smoking looks ridiculous. Really? Because Severine is a knockout in that scene and the smoking adds to the sexinesss not detracts. Very film noir.
Yes it is unhealthy. And even more so are the car exhaust fumes every day which are worse but nothing is said about that. They can cause lung cancer too.
Too bad! But I am sure if you were in her presence as she is in the film, maybe you would think otherwise. Because in real life she would have a great magnetism for a male.
Even if I was non-smoker, I would be happy to work up a sweat with her. The smoking odours depends on how much someone smokes. But if they shower then you won't notice them. I know from experience.
You can also get bad odours from a bad diet too as well as alcohol. Alcohol mixed with sweat is yuk!!!
At least you could light up with her afterwards which is cool! :)
Ah, you're still claiming to be her shower double I see :P Sorry to say, but Berenice has deferred to my vast experience and more well developed Bondian ways ;)
I couldn't agree more with everyone who agrees her smoking made her look all the sexier. Now, no one "tops" Famke Janssen and her cigar for smoking greatness in the films, but that scene just took me back to the classic era with Bianchi and Auger smoking with a sense of style and class that just made them all the more exotic, at least in my opinion.
Not sure where all this is going, apart from the obvious inherent dangers of it, but this is about Craig on his own and his fight with the habit rather than as Bond himself. It's really up to the individual to cut out the problems, but as a smoker myself, can appreciate how hard it can be..
Women don't need to smoke in Bond to be sexy or more interesting. Seymour was my favorite, but did you ever see her at it. Of course not, and it was all the better for it, evn though Barbara Bach, in my personal Top Three, did have at least one during Spy, but the purpose of that was to see Bond's lighter and explain how her lover got killed in the first place. I always though Janssen and her cigar looked a bit questionable. A bond girl with a cigar ?!
Maybe that's what they do in Georgia for the character, but it still looked ridiculous
Bang on! I felt the smoking added to the classic Bond film feel in the casino. Benerice as an actress really pulled of the sophistication. I think they made a mistake by keeping so little of her in the film.
I couldn't possibly agree more...with the second part. ;)
And to those who commended me, you're welcome. It's the mature thing to do, and I don't see why anyone who smokes wouldn't do the same.
I think everyone agrees with that!
Agreed! Her smoking is not a negative, it's super sexy!
That disease took my wife from me, I wished she had your willpower, she just couldn't stop no matter how much she tried. Cigars aren't good for me I know, but those at least you don't inhale. If my doctor told me I had to give them up, I would. Otherwise I feel like Creasy, as long as my body tolerates my enjoyment, I'll keep enjoying them.
Something I always keep in mind is that when I was a kid, I read a National Geographic article about the longest living people in the world, in the Russian Caucasus. They routinely reached 90 years plus and they were all smoking unfiltered cigarettes. Then some years later a guy named Jim Fixx, the proclaimed "healthiest man in the world", didn't smoke, drink, ate healthy, exercised all the time, dropped dead of a heart attack out jogging at the age of 42. You know what that says to me? It says you're going to die from something or other so enjoy yourself until your doc says otherwise.
Sorry to hear. Very interesting about Nat Geo. There are many things we eat or even certain medications that can cause cancer. I remember Turkey having the highest ratio of heavy smokers and the lowest motor vehicles years back. And guess what? Lowest lung cancer.
I think people need to look at how many non-smokers get lung cancer too. I too know of many people who did all the right things and did not get to fifty. Look at Keith Richards from The Stones. He is sticking his middle finger up at all the health freaks and enjoying life to the full whilst he puffs on hard core cigarettes.
I smoke and know it is bad. But then are so many other things. I once stood behind my car and accidentally inhaled some exhaust fume. How is that good for your lungs or body in general?
I have heard so many stories about non-smokers who get the so called cigarette smoking only symptoms.
Society gets so hung up on cigarettes whilst all that open air nuclear testing in the 40's 50's and 60's especially certainly did not help those not that far away lead long and productive lives. Cancer rates shot up. But let's blame the cigarette. :)
Also less people smoke now than ever before and why are cancers so high on the rise. That is what I am looking into.
There we go. And rats are the most resilient of creatures. I like rats despite the negative perception.
Yeah, I see runners on congested roads who look so unhealthy despite the fitness regime and look very old despite being in their 30's or 40's.
Dalton is a heavy smoker and he looked great at 63 in Hot Fuzz. Some say he smoked two packs a day. What a great advert to get started. People who live on cucumber juice for some strange reason by 40 look 65. I'll stick to the cigs!
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I am very sorry about your loss it is a horrible illness i have to cope with the shortness of breath and all the meds to keep my airways open and to be honest it was the stark fear that boosted my willpower. I have a friend at work with the same condition and she cannot quit.