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GOLDENEYE: Extent of Alec Trevelyan and Xenia Onatopp's relationship

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  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited February 13 Posts: 4,710
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    It think that some kind of romantic or sexual relationship is implied at times in the film. Perhaps Trevelyan likes the rough stuff? It's subtly done though and not overstated. I actually don't think Xenia would go so far as to accidentally kill Trevelyan during sex. I think there's enough of a mutual respect between the two for her to not get carried away and go that far with him. It's clear from the film that she only weaponises her sexuality when she needs to eliminate an enemy of the Janus Syndicate.

    I think Trevelyan loved Bond. The movie makes more sense if you see it this way.

    That's a different take on things, certainly.

    Very fan-fic worthy.

    Actually I'd say if anything it makes more sense that Travelyan utterly despises Bond. He constantly mocks him for his Britishness and devises elaborate ways for him to die for maximum suffering.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
    Posts: 1,663
    007HallY wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    It think that some kind of romantic or sexual relationship is implied at times in the film. Perhaps Trevelyan likes the rough stuff? It's subtly done though and not overstated. I actually don't think Xenia would go so far as to accidentally kill Trevelyan during sex. I think there's enough of a mutual respect between the two for her to not get carried away and go that far with him. It's clear from the film that she only weaponises her sexuality when she needs to eliminate an enemy of the Janus Syndicate.

    I think Trevelyan loved Bond. The movie makes more sense if you see it this way.

    That's a different take on things, certainly.

    Very fan-fic worthy.

    Actually I'd say if anything it makes more sense that Travelyan utterly despises Bond. He constantly mocks him for his Britishness and devises elaborate ways for him to die for maximum suffering.

    He hates him too much but we know he wanted him on his team. I think there is an unfinished business there. ;)
  • 007HallY007HallY
    Posts: 4,710
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    007HallY wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    DEKE_RIVERS wrote: »
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    It think that some kind of romantic or sexual relationship is implied at times in the film. Perhaps Trevelyan likes the rough stuff? It's subtly done though and not overstated. I actually don't think Xenia would go so far as to accidentally kill Trevelyan during sex. I think there's enough of a mutual respect between the two for her to not get carried away and go that far with him. It's clear from the film that she only weaponises her sexuality when she needs to eliminate an enemy of the Janus Syndicate.

    I think Trevelyan loved Bond. The movie makes more sense if you see it this way.

    That's a different take on things, certainly.

    Very fan-fic worthy.

    Actually I'd say if anything it makes more sense that Travelyan utterly despises Bond. He constantly mocks him for his Britishness and devises elaborate ways for him to die for maximum suffering.

    He hates him too much but we know he wanted him on his team. I think there is an unfinished business there. ;)

    I'm pretty sure he was mocking him by saying that, haha. The line's more about Bond being loyal to MI6.

    Like I said, fan fiction ;)
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    I think most if not all Bond villains have some troubled sexuality, or at least it's implied: they have homoerotic desires, or sadoerotic ones, or they're impotent, or something else.
  • shimplyshocking007shimplyshocking007
    Posts: 160
    Bond and Alec never changed their hair in nearly a decade. They've got that in common.
  • 007HallY007HallY
    edited February 13 Posts: 4,710
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think most if not all Bond villains have some troubled sexuality, or at least it's implied: they have homoerotic desires, or sadoerotic ones, or they're impotent, or something else.

    There's an element of that frustration with Travelyan. He tries it on with Natalya who is understandably repulsed by him (it comes off as him trying to 'one up' Bond for what he did to his face, which probably wouldn't do anything good for his confidence in this area). But otherwise I don't personally see anything homoerotic with the character.
    shimplyshocking007 wrote: »
    Bond and Alec never changed their hair in nearly a decade. They've got that in common.

    Brosnan's hair in his Bond films often defies gravity anyway with how in place it always is, even after action scenes. So it makes sense.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    Alec was mad because he thought bros came before 00's, and Bond disappointed him.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
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    shimplyshocking007 wrote: »
    Bond and Alec never changed their hair in nearly a decade. They've got that in common.

    Or their watches. which is handy in Alec's case as he got the new model about eight years early.
  • shimplyshocking007shimplyshocking007
    Posts: 160
    Mendes4Lyfe wrote: »
    Alec was mad because he thought bros came before 00's, and Bond disappointed him.

    Quite.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,409
    007HallY wrote: »
    Ludovico wrote: »
    I think most if not all Bond villains have some troubled sexuality, or at least it's implied: they have homoerotic desires, or sadoerotic ones, or they're impotent, or something else.

    There's an element of that frustration with Travelyan. He tries it on with Natalya who is understandably repulsed by him (it comes off as him trying to 'one up' Bond for what he did to his face, which probably wouldn't do anything good for his confidence in this area). But otherwise I don't personally see anything homoerotic with the character.
    shimplyshocking007 wrote: »
    Bond and Alec never changed their hair in nearly a decade. They've got that in common.

    Brosnan's hair in his Bond films often defies gravity anyway with how in place it always is, even after action scenes. So it makes sense.

    I don't think Trevelyan was homosexual. But I do think he had some kind of sexual kink, mostly because of the scene with Natalya.
  • Jordo007Jordo007 Merseyside
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    I'm certain Alec was keeping Onatopp of things
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Jordo007 wrote: »
    I'm certain Alec was keeping Onatopp of things

    To the victor go the spoils.
  • Scaramanga1974Scaramanga1974
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    Trevelyan is so not old enough to have parents that were Kossacks during the 2nd world war. That oversight always bugs me.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    Trevelyan is so not old enough to have parents that were Kossacks during the 2nd world war. That oversight always bugs me.

    Yes, that bugs me too. I believe that is a hangover from a previous version of the script where Trevelyan was much older and a kind of mentor or father figure to Bond. I think they had Anthony Hopkins in mind to play that iteration of the character.
  • shimplyshocking007shimplyshocking007
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    But Sean Bean is born late 1950s so I don't see how it isn't possible. The film doesn't say the parents were killed at the end of the war. Alec's father committed suicide but that could have been in the late 1950s or after.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    shimplyshocking007 wrote: »
    But Sean Bean is born late 1950s so I don't see how it isn't possible. The film doesn't say the parents were killed at the end of the war. Alec's father committed suicide but that could have been in the late 1950s or after.

    Yes, I think that's the only way of looking at it for it to make any sense. That's how I rationalise it, anyway. It's either that or Trevelyan has located the Fountain of Youth.
  • DEKE_RIVERSDEKE_RIVERS
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    Dragonpol wrote: »
    shimplyshocking007 wrote: »
    But Sean Bean is born late 1950s so I don't see how it isn't possible. The film doesn't say the parents were killed at the end of the war. Alec's father committed suicide but that could have been in the late 1950s or after.

    Yes, I think that's the only way of looking at it for it to make any sense. That's how I rationalise it, anyway. It's either that or Trevelyan has located the Fountain of Youth.

    There is another. If Brosnan is the same Bond of Dr.No...
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    shimplyshocking007 wrote: »
    But Sean Bean is born late 1950s so I don't see how it isn't possible. The film doesn't say the parents were killed at the end of the war. Alec's father committed suicide but that could have been in the late 1950s or after.

    Unlikely but possible.
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    Scaramanga1974 wrote: »
    Trevelyan is so not old enough to have parents that were Kossacks during the 2nd world war. That oversight always bugs me.

    Yes, that bugs me too. I believe that is a hangover from a previous version of the script where Trevelyan was much older and a kind of mentor or father figure to Bond. I think they had Anthony Hopkins in mind to play that iteration of the character.

    Wasn't the Trevelyan character supposed to be M in that early version? The predecessor if Messervy, or something. Not that I'd be very keen on that either, although I guess it sort of harks back to Kim Philby, who very nearly became head of MI5. But I struggle to imagine Hopkins a believable physical match to Bond in the final fight.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    It wasn't that uncommon to have children in your late teens in the 1940's.
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