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how about the Big Bang theory?
I believe everyone should get the full thrust of it!!
The girls in fact, all do a masterful of job of dodging the poltics inherent in the question.
The question smacks of a political agenda anyway when asked in this type of forum - ie conformist liberals, fishing for an answer from beauty contestants, so they can ridicule and promote their one-size fits-all correct thinking and thus associate non-conformist thinking with stereo typical dumb beauty contestants. Brilliant, except these girls are brighter than your average correct thinking pc drone.
The problem with evolution being taught in schools is that the whole issue is hopelessly politicized. Anti- religion fanatics try to use it as a hammer to "disprove" religious belief which is absurd, while religious obsessives feel some need to challenge evolution as a threat to faith which is equally absurd.
I think it should be tossed out of the public school system, because I don't trust the motives of those trying to promote it. Then again I don't really care. High school students and beauty contestants, do have an uncanny knack to know when their elder "smarters" are pushing an agenda rather than actually attempting to honestly educate. I care more that the school system be diligently giving students a grounding in science basics not to mention reading and writing and non politicized social sciences.
Save the politics for university where students should be "evolved" enough to address or work around biases in their teacher's teaching. ( ie. the tried and true, tell the idiot prof what he wants to hear technique of getting a good grade, getting the degree and getting the hell out)
@GeorgeLazenby your "In fact, most of the latest developments in biology (yes, biology) and physics are best explained by appealing to the propostion that the primary motive powers of the universe are intelligence and will, and not chance and accident, which is the true import of the evolution debate." is nothing short of a blatand lie. Biology doesn't touch the 'primary motive powers of the universe'. Sorry. The whole idea of ' intelligent design' has nothing to do with Darwin's theory, as Darwin's theory has nothing to do with the origin of life itself. Thanks to my girlfriend who's studying at the cuting edge of biology's understanding of Darwin's theory I know what's been going on in that field.
@Timmer doesn't it make sense to you to teach scientific theories in science class and Religious ideas in their own classes (whatever they are called)?
As a historian I have my strong doubts about religion and the motives of organised religion. But that's just looking at what happened in the past. I have no problems with religion classes, as long as they inform children about all the different beliefs that have some decent following.
Personally I don't believe in (a) god, as I think it stops the mind from appreciating the increadable amazingness of our universe. It's far too complicated and stunningly beautiful to be 'designed'.
For those who'd like to understand what science has been up to the last few decades I'd like to refer you all to the amazing ' Through the Wormhole' series of Discovery Channel, presented by 'god' himself (Bruce Almighty's), Morgan Freeman.
Darwinisn has become far too politicized. If the theories were further developed and something of real substance could be taught- fine, but we are talking teenagers. The theories are too contentious. Teenagers are better off learning basic science, because there is no way to teach evolutionary theory without being drawn into the politics of it all. Save it for college or university or for those specializing in science in their final year or something.
Then again, I am not that bothered as students, just like beauty contestants, do have an uncanny ability to see past teachers who are trying to shovel them a bias.
Religion classes in public schools are also waste of time. Teachers again will tie their own biases and ignorance to the curriculum. Parents revolted in Quebec this year because the pc idiots teaching religion, were trying to brainwash the kids into believing that all the religions had an equal value, which makes no sense if you happen to practise or believe one of them. Again, often the kids are smarter than the teachers.
Better off - no religion classes, or classes about religion (which I think is even more dangerous), in public schools.
Stick to writing, reading arithmetic, grammar, English, history (preferably not with a political bias). Basic stuff. Give our students the basics they need to function in the world.
btw. Biology and the natural sciences are easily taught minus any promotion of Darwin's ideas. Toss them on the table. Fine. But if the theories are in fact promoted than the political/social agendas can and do follow. Poor students. Better off playing with their smart phones and pretend to be listening when the teachers get preachy, which is what teenagers have generally done anyway, since man emerged from the primordial ooze.
She had already made a mess of most calculations and I'm afraid this comment completely tipped the balance against her favour. Her end result: 42 out of 125 (34 %). Poor thing, brainwashed by Islamic teachings, ready to live a life of ignorance and poison the intellect of her future children.
Not that I particularly care but a tad offensive to Muslims. If you'd only replace the word 'Islamic' with 'religious' then that would clear things up nicely.
This is what riles me about the priviliged position religion enjoys in our society. What constitutes a 'decent' following? And why you should your belief that there is a God be treated by the government with more reverence than my belief that the universe was created by a flying spagetti monster just because more people believe in it?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedi_census_phenomenon
This makes the point. Particularly interesting is New Zealand where Jedi wouldve been the 2nd most popular religion if the government hadnt simply decided to completely ignore it. Imagine the furore if they had just chosen to ignore one of the 'etablished' religions?
Accepted, @TheWizardOfIce, however she does come from Islamic upbringing and she has been very vocal about how Islamic teachings prevent her from accepting mine. I wasn't lying and neither was I deliberately targeting Muslims. You see...
...in the past, I've also had serious trouble with two Christian girls (more precisely Protestants) who were exceptionally furious after seeing an episode of the 'How The Universe Works' documentary series from Discovery Channel. One of them claimed that our theories concerning the expansion of the universe were bogus because in her heart, she simply "felt" it was wrong; God gave her those impulses.
Well, I'm a Christian too (Catholic) and I have Faith. However, God has never told me to fight objective science and its methods. If anything, the strength of my faith relies in the fact that my beliefs and my scientific knowledge neither cancel each other out, nor end up on opposite sides of some medieval debate. If anything, they complement each other.
And no, before anybody else jumps on me, I do not care to go into more explanation of my particular faith or how I can be a Christian and a long-time Bond fan or explain myself in detail. But I did want to make that statement. Not all Protestants, or indeed all Christians, can be lumped together, especially in such a wide ranging debate as evolution.
Really dont understand why these girls are studying science if thats their attitude.
I really struggle to see how you can say you reconcile faith with science and say theres no conflict. The way I see it you have to come down on one side or the other;
Science is about logic, reason and finding answers, religion is just blind faith with no evidence except a gut feeling.
They don't. In our school system, you are taught a bit of everything, no matter what your interests are. Everyone learns about science for example, even you don't necessarily choose ever to specialize in science.
As for the struggle, I'm afraid I must disagree. Many existential and philosophical questions couldn't possibly be answered scientifically. That's where religion provides. For me, personally, mind you. ;-)
It strikes me that science provides answers through the laws of phsyics, chemistry and biology for the entire universe from the point of the big bang onwards.
The only place where I can see intervention of a 'God' would be the guy who flicked the switch that triggered the big bang. Science does not know what exactly caused the big bang and may never will but to call it God is just a word.
God is a theory too, but he/she/it/they has not been put to the rigorous test of the scientific method, unlike evolution.
Well said.