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The gap between DAD and CR felt like eternity to me, and that was only 4 years. Ignoring everything that came before after all this build up would be a huge disappointment.
Lol! Thank you! I will be watching and enjoying no matter what! I'm a huge fan!
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Keep flying high and enjoy :) ..I enjoyed it too.
Oddly and I thought if TLD wandered up my rankings after SP. No I can't explain why.... just go with it.
LTK stayed at the bottom fighting sharks so don't get too excited. :P
I know, as I've carped about plenty, that this was a lowlight for me and really damaged the whole movie. I'm curious whether you thought it was well done, could take it or leave it, or thought it was bad but nearly so ruinous as I did?
Didn't we get a glimpse of it in the GE teaser trailer? I seem to recall a snippet of something similar at least, somewhere.
Agreed.
Yes, agreed. It didn't ruin anything for me personally, but it was ham-fisted and redundant (it served no real purpose), so if it upset some people (including members of the general public/casual fans) then it was a silly/stupid thing to do.
Also agreed. I think it didn't really help the movie at all; I mean it would have made enough sense for Blofeld to target Bond repeatedly after Bond continually messes things up for SPECTRE. The foster brother thing was just meh. Unnecessary is definitely the word for it.
This is Craig's best Bond film.
It's the Bond film I have been waiting a long long time for, because in my opinion, we finally have all the elements that make Bond what we know and love it for. It feels like a Connery adventure, ripped from the 60's and brought into the modern day. Of course you can say it's got the great action we expect, the fast cars, the amazing locations - but the most important thing for me, is that in this film, James Bond is finally the ludicrous, over the top adventure it once was.
Spectre is a film that manages bring the fun back into a franchise that has always been about winking at the audience, and showing them ridiculous things that you would never see in any other film series. James Bond is a man who always manages to save the day with 007 seconds left on the timer, and I think Sam Mendes and Daniel Craig have captured that feel beautifully, creating a film that celebrates everything Bond, while still telling a ridiculous story about the world we live in.
Craig looks more comfortable in this film than he has in any of his previous efforts. He just OOZES Bond in this film in a way that he never has before. This is the first time we have seen Craig's Bond where he isn't "becoming the man we all know". Daniel Craig finally IS James Bond. The sneaky, suave secret agent once again. The man who steals cars from his own organisation, waves to bad guys he will later kill, and chases down a convoy of 3 jeeps with a light aircraft (Yup. Why not).
We see the return of many significant elements that ensure this film feels more like classic Bond than any of the others. We finally see the return of the silent henchman, the villain's lair (complete with uniformed minions doing busy work on computers), hell there is even a train fight. I also love the smaller notes of Bond that Mendes and the writers have included, such as Bond and Madeline being treated as honoured guests at SPECTRE's compound, with lovely rooms and "Drinks at 4". This attention to detail shows a serious love for the original material, and a respect for it also.
For me, this is exactly the film I have wanted to see since Craig took over the role. As much as I love Casino Royale and Skyfall (we don't talk about Question of Sport), this is the film where we finally see Craig's Bond go on a classic 007 adventure. It may have it's issues, I'm by no means saying it is flawless, but in my opinion it is 110% James Bond.
★★★★★
Huh, and I actually have demoted TLD from 2nd to 5th rank due to the shuffle SP caused in my Top 5.
It took 20 years for this to happen, before GE, TLD was my number one.
SP GE stand firmly at 1 and 2.
OHMSS CR and TLD at 3-5 but to be honest those three could swap places any time within that 3. It's damn difficult to rank them, they are a tie really.
After 11 seasons of Grey's Anatomy and 5 seasons of Private Practice she's an expert on such things!
So the "brother" thing certainly didn't feel forced or artificial.
And I can't imagine that turning anybody off, especially after the soap opera Skyfall.
Waltz delivered every line and gesture powerful and believable anyway.
Seconded. This was the only thing that really irked me. Otherwise a perfectly enjoyable Bond movie.
I felt like an eternity for me too. For some reason the gap between Qos and SF felt shorter an it was a 4 year gap as well.
Pot, kettle etc. You seem to be pushing this 'failure' narrative pretty hard. If people want to wet their pants about this film it's their prerogative and this is the first place they should be allowed to do it. Objectivity can sometimes go out the window when you love something, maybe call people on it in six months when the dust has settled, but you come across as a bit of a killjoy in most of your posts considering it's only just been released and people are having fun with it.
Don't agree at all with this. Surely as a Bond enthusiast you must appreciate the effect that both time (however short), reflection and repeated viewings can have on our perceptions of these films & it's character that we love?
I cannot stand either LALD or DAD, but I can certainly comprehend that some of the board members find what they are looking for in these movies, ie. their own personal '007 fix'.
Rubbish. People hated OHMSS and said it was a failure creatively as well as financially and yet the movie after being revisited, for some time now, is regarded as a classic and one of the best if not the best in the series. I for one don't need to revisit SP to like and enjoy it for what it is and nor do I need to watch it numerous times to force myself into liking it. I've seen SP 4 times now and with each viewing it's been for my own satisfaction and appreciation for an enjoyable Bond movie.
1) Blofeld's familial relationship with Bond: either ditch it entirely or explore it properly. What we got reduced ESB to a deranged little man with daddy issues - not the kind of leader in whom any self-respecting SPECTRE agent would put their trust! Personally I'd rather they'd ditched this rather fan-fic idea entirely as it screamed 'Goldmember' at me, but it could have been executed better. Blofeld should have got more specific about his beef with Bond, and Bond should have really known how to push Blofeld's buttons like only an unwelcome foster brother would. And whilst I love Waltz as an actor, Spectre really demonstrates how much better written Hans Landa was than 'Franz Oberhauser'.
2) I didn't buy Bond and Madeleine falling in love and going off into sunset together. They were great together but a simply but profound mutual understanding between them would have felt more authentic to me than the ending we got.
3) Denbigh and Hinx both felt underwritten. Hinx was set up well as a modern Red Grant/Oddjob hybrid, but his character felt like he'd been deprived his climactic character moment in the spotlight. Red Grant got his speech on the Orient Express, Oddjob got to make his big show of loyalty to his master in Fort Knox. I'd have liked to have seen more of Hinx's growing animosity towards Bond than we got.
4) The problem with casting big names at M, Q, Moneypenny and Tanner is that the filmmakers (or maybe the actors agents) feel the need to give them (or demand) more to do than the genre requires of them. The third act felt way more 'Spooks' than 'Spectre', lol.
5) The consequences of the Nine Eyes plot could have used a little more dramatisation that it got. We had a countdown to the programme loading, but if Spectre had had some immediate plans on how it intended to *use* its newfound access to intelligence, I'd have been more invested.
6) The climax in London felt too much to me, and the showdown at Vauxhall Cross was dull, overwrought and predictable. The movie could easily have finished at Spectre's crater base and we wouldn't have lost anything.
However, there was so much to love in this movie - the above simply got in the way of what was for the most part an extremely enjoyable viewing experience. It looks gorgeous, the humour works, Bond and Madeleine's reception in Morocco which had a real 'Dr. No' vibe to it, and it's great how confident the production feels. I will say though that the problem with giving Bond SO much backstory is that slightly misses the point of the character - the audience doesn't really want a fully-rounded protagonist in Bond, we want to vicariously enjoy his adventures. A little bit of depth hinted here and there is okay but I feel like we know too much about Craig's Bond now. And for Bond 25 it'd be great to have a villain who doesn't have a personal beef with a member of MI6...
Anyway, peace out!
Don't think anyone was upset, it's your opinion, mate :)>-
You are, I think, referring to the instant appeal that these films need to have. But that is, again, pretty subjective isn't it?
I came out of the cinema quite content. Not blown away, but I'd def give it another viewing. It did what it said on the bottle (or 'box', if you like :> )
I wouldn't overestimate the positive impact a test screening can have... such a small demographic usually ends up harming the final edit more than helping it.
An effect of getting older, perhaps? Not knowing who the new Bond would be and how things would turn out for so long was part of the challenge as well. Plus I spent a lot of time on KTBEU, so I was obsessed about it, whereas between QoS and SF I stayed away. It doesn't seem to me like a long length of time between films has a huge effect on the quality of the film itself.