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But TB plods whilst giving us a Bondfilm. SF plods whilst being a melodramatic mish-mash of ideas which happens to feature James Bond in one or two scenes...
Absolutely true.
I disagree on this last point. In fact, I think it has only been strengthened by this last outing.
It is unique enough (like LTK, QoS, OHMSS and some others) to be looked back on very fondly with time (almost cult like), although some hate it (like those others). Even its detractors on this site say it's different, and that's never a bad thing.
Like Tosca, it's not for everyone, and that's to its credit.
I do think SF will come to be looked upon with more negativity the more time passes... for me it has all of SP's weaknesses, yet none of it's strengths.
Let's see. I disagree.
SP has definitely put SF in a new positive light for me, and I was so-so about it before.
Let's see... I disagree again but I will defend to the death your right to disagree with me :D
I enjoyed SP but after a 2nd viewing certain things just don't sit with me, the brother angle was too far and last 2 set pieces needed more thought. Keep the dialogue exchanges and the torture but something different to Bond just blowing up the base with few shots, same goes for Bond downing ESB's helicopter so easily.
I didn't want to believe the script was such a mess and EON & Mendes are responsible for letting Logan get so far and having to get P&W try to paper the cracks.
P&W get allot of flack here but I think SP could have been considerably worse if Logan had been not stopped, the whole ESB Brother angle is obviously his and Mendes obviously loved this it was thankfully toned down who knows what we might have got.
I believe SM & DC wanted to see if they could make a full on Bond with all the trappings and they have but unfortunately it doesn't sit well with them wanting this back story, I bought it just about in SF but SP, it needs to stop.
1.SF
2.CR
3. SP
4.QOS
There's a good call.
Skyfall is with out doubt the most overratated Bond movie. I don't think the same is true of Thunderball. Just because a movie makes a lot of money doesn't mean it's overrated. Overrated has more to do with critical reception. For some reason, critics gave the boring Skyfall a pass on all its glaring plot-holes (possibly the worst since Moonraker).
Rearding Thunderball though, if you look at the Rotten Tomatoes website for example, Thunderball is ranked fourth among Connery's Bond movies. I think that's probably about where most people would rank it. So, it's not overrated. It simply made a lot money because it arrived on the heals of the (at least somewhat) overrated Goldfinger.
Thunderball was a far more entertaining and original movie thank Skyfall.
I know this will add nothing to further the debate - but TB is, if anything, underrated by many. It often gets flack from the popular media for it's slow underwater sequences and somehow a lot of fans get the impression SC is going through the motions, whereas I find his performance pitch-perfect: relaxed and uber-confident, but nuanced.
After FRWL it's my 2nd favorite Connery film, even before GF.
SP is probably being overrated by the main British media (The Times, Guardian, etc.), but I put that down the the cosy fog of patriotism that inevitably settles around the release of a new 007 caper.
I agree w/everything you said. I even share your ranking for the Connery Bonds.
Are you sure...? :D
FRWL
TB
GF
DN
YOLT
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DAF
Well, okay, swap places on DN & GF, then YES!
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Good points and I actually have to agree, I think I was wrong.
He's being sarcastic. No it doesn't suck ..it's fun. But it is a film that you have to judge on your own.
And oddly enough you may have different opinions each time you see it.
You are totally spot-on @mcdonbb
my opinions in my four viewings changed drastically from viewing to viewing
First viewing:
left me breathless and overwhelmed
Second viewing:
left me totally happy-go-lucky and cheerful
Third viewing:
left me in awe of the artistic and audiovisual perfection
Fourth viewing:
left me wanting for more, for watching it a fifth time immediately, for the movie never to end, for the time to stand still, so Craig can do another 5 movies like Spectre.
I have four more viewings to reach my minimum of five, not sure I'll get the chance to see it that many more times, unfortunately. :(
That it is, I'll do my best! Almost had the chance to see it tonight, but that didn't pan out, unfortunately. I'm dying to see it again. Definitely seeing it once this weekend.
Eh, after three years what's another day?
Where do you live?...........in the UK we can just book tickets, and select the seat you want, online...........and just go to the cinema knowing we don't have to queue.