SPECTRE: Official Critics Review Topic (accumulative topic, NO SPOILERS, just links)

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  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    The_Reaper wrote: »
    It's funny how people have been complaining about Craig's Bond not being the classic Bond yet when they finally get it in SP people still complain.

    Yeah kinda annoying. I'm welcoming the change ...with the world falling apart it's nice to just escape with Bond for a bit.



  • The_Reaper wrote: »
    It's funny how people have been complaining about Craig's Bond not being the classic Bond yet when they finally get it in SP people still complain.

    It's become clear that there are two camps of Bond Fans (and, well, there's a third camp that just complains about everything). One lot likes the fun/OTT/blockbuster type Bond, and the other likes the serious, darker, character driven Bond. I remember when DAD came out, people were complaining why can't Bond be serious instead of this silly stuff? So EON started making serious Bond films, and then the other group started saying where's the fun and innuendos and gadgets? So EON will never win, trying to please Bond Fans in general.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    And the fourth type like me that like both styles but tires of just strictly one for too long.

    It's like the weather... sunny days are nice but then after awhile nice rain storm is relaxing then you get drenched and want sun again. B-)
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 11,119
    The Dutch press is as excited as the British press. ONLY 5-star and 4-star reviews. Especially the more progressive, left-ist, critical newspapers stamp it as a masterpiece. I smiled when reading the Review title of newspaper NRC :-p:

    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ ■, NRC Handelsblad (DUTCH, left-leaning, progressive): "The James Bond in "SPECTRE" is a relief after the 'crybaby' from "Skyfall". Nuanced retro, and Craig is in top form!":
    http://www.nrc.nl/next/2015/10/23/een-rebelse-actieve-en-zelfs-grappige-bond-1551218
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ ■, NieuwerwetsTV (DUTCH): ""SPECTRE" is a feast for the fans, but also mainstream audience won't be bored!":
    http://www.nwtv.nl/111590/review-spectre/
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ ■, XGN.nl (DUTCH): "The impressive cinematography by Hoyte van Hoytema combined with a touch of nostalgia, character depth and brilliant acting (especially Daniel Craig), make "SPECTRE" one of the TOP 5 of best Bond films":
    http://www.xgn.nl/review/james-bond-spectre-review
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ ▪, Filmpjekijken.nl (DUTCH): "The critics are WRONG again, because "SPECTRE" is the ultimate Bond Film":
    http://filmpjekijken.com/recensie/details/spectre
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■, De Telegraaf (DUTCH, right-wing, conservative): "Marvellous spectacle with some shabby pieces. 4 out of 4 stars":
    http://www.telegraaf.nl/filmenuitgaan/film/filmrecensies/24651800/__Filmrecensie__Spectre__.html
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, NU.nl (DUTCH): ""SPECTRE" excells with its superlatives: it is the longest, the most expensive & the most spectacular Bond movie":
    http://www.nu.nl/film/4153728/recensie-spectre-meest-spectaculaire-bondfilm-ooit.html
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, De Volkskrant (DUTCH, left-wing, conservative): "This Bond-film is extremely chic film entertainment!":
    http://www.volkskrant.nl/recensies/spectre-is-uiterst-chic-filmentertainment~a4171438/
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, Film 1 (DUTCH): "Classic and slicker than ever":
    http://www.film1.nl/films/review.php?id=46088
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, FilmTotaal.nl (DUTCH): "The viewer's entertainment has become slightly more of a priority for this stunning 24th Bond flick":
    http://www.filmtotaal.nl/recensie.php?id=45976
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, Het Parool (DUTCH, left-centrist): "This film reminds us of the Bond films with Connery ("Thunderball") and Moore":
    http://www.parool.nl/parool/nl/14628/RECENSIES/article/detail/4171949/2015/10/27/Spectre-doet-denken-aan-de-James-Bondfilms-met-Connery-en-Moore.dhtml
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, Algemeen Dagblad (DUTCH, centre-right): "Daniel Craig hás to stay as James Bond 007":
    http://www.ad.nl/ad/nl/1023/Film/article/detail/4168786/2015/10/23/AD-ziet-Spectre-Daniel-Craig-moet-blijven-als-James-Bond.dhtml
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, DeFilmBlog.be (BELGIAN/FLEMISH): "It's fortunate that SPECTRE isn't a semi-remake of "Skyfall" but instead a full sequel with a completely new approach":
    http://defilmblog.be/archive/2015/10/30/spectre-2015-review-daniel-craig-james-bond.html
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, Quote Magazine (DUTCH): "With Ralph Fiennes as the new 'M', Christoph Waltz as the villain and a supporting role for Sherlock Holmes star Andrew Scott, "SPECTRE" gives us a stellar cast":
    http://www.quotenet.nl/Nieuws/De-007-recensie-Moet-u-naar-de-nieuwe-James-Bond-film-Spectre-166781
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, InDeBioscoop.com (DUTCH): "‘SPECTRE-culair’ Bond-film!":
    http://www.indebioscoop.com/filmrecensies/s/recensie-spectre/
    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, BiosAgenda.nl (DUTCH): "Everything...really everything you want is there!":
    http://www.biosagenda.nl/nieuws_spectre-recensie_5692.htmlensie-spectre/
    --> ■ ■ ■ □ □, Trouw (DUTCH, progressive, strict-centrist): "This is slick, handcrafted, classic Bond film, but it misses some humor":
    http://www.trouw.nl/
    --> ■ ■ ■ □ □, CINEMA.nl (DUTCH, left-wing): "Finally, Daniel Craig can put a smile on his face again...and he sips his martini with more joy":
    http://www.cinema.nl/artikelen/11720597/recensie-spectre
    --> ■ ■ ■ □ □, nl.IGN.com (DUTCH): "Classic...and modern":
    http://nl.ign.com/spectre/84932/review/spectre-filmreview
  • edited October 2015 Posts: 486
    The_Reaper wrote: »
    It's funny how people have been complaining about Craig's Bond not being the classic Bond yet when they finally get it in SP people still complain.

    I think it just exposes people for wishing to complain about Daniel Craig regardless and I'm really tired of it. He gives a bravado performance in SPECTRE. We've seen the emotional rookie Bond now we have the cool, confident one on the top of his game.
  • Even weirder : some people complain that some other people complain.
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    Even weirder : some people complain that some other people complain.

    It's not the complaints which are irksome, we're all free to do so, but the agendas that some people obviously have behind them.

  • edited October 2015 Posts: 1,068
    Have you viewed the film yet @Gustav-Graves? I'm sure I'd recall seeing your review :D
  • I just love this review from Belgium:

    http://defilmblog.be/archive/2015/10/30/spectre-2015-review-daniel-craig-james-bond.html
    If we exclude for one moment the dreadful Quantum of Solace (2008), we have with Casino Royale (2006), Skyfall (2012) and the Spectre (2015), a brilliant 007 trilogy, which equals "The Dark Knight Trilogy" by Christopher Nolan, with a tormented James and his first steps as MI6 agent 0.0.7., losing everything that is dear to him and eventually making its big return with a confrontation with his nemesis. It's fortunate that SPECTRE isn't a semi-remake of "Skyfall" but instead a full sequel with a completely new approach.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 11,119
    The review from USA-based entertainment/movies website ContactMusic.com is up!

    --> ■ ■ ■ ■ □, ContactMusic.com (USA): "There's also plenty of current resonance to balance the old-school spy antics. This is a movie about cyber-terrorism, nano-technology, surveillance operations and remote-control warfare. But the film's real power is in its punchy personal touches, as Bond goes off the rails to discover unwanted things about himself. Yes, there are still gadgets, flashy cars and lots of helicopters in perilous action mayhem, but this is also a continuation of the introspective story that began with Craig's franchise relaunch in Casino Royale: an earthier, more engaged Bond who feels every physical and emotional punch. And where he goes from here should be fascinating.":
    http://www.contactmusic.com/film/review/spectre
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
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    I just love this review from Belgium:

    http://defilmblog.be/archive/2015/10/30/spectre-2015-review-daniel-craig-james-bond.html
    If we exclude for one moment the dreadful Quantum of Solace (2008), we have with Casino Royale (2006), Skyfall (2012) and the Spectre (2015), a brilliant 007 trilogy, which equals "The Dark Knight Trilogy" by Christopher Nolan, with a tormented James and his first steps as MI6 agent 0.0.7., losing everything that is dear to him and eventually making its big return with a confrontation with his nemesis. It's fortunate that SPECTRE isn't a semi-remake of "Skyfall" but instead a full sequel with a completely new approach.

    Heavily opinionated and I don't agree with it whatsoever. Also, comparing it to TDK trilogy is the last thing it needs after how similar TDK and SF were.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 11,119
    I think this is a very interesting article:
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Spectre-Peanuts-Movie-Reviews-91707.html

    If we have to believe Doug Norrie's final RottenTomatoes predictions for "SPECTRE", then the film could start falling even more towards a minimum of 68% once the US critics start posting their reviews tomorrow (Currently, "SPECTRE" has a 78% rating on RT). That means it doesn't even get a 'Certified Fresh' rating and the rating would almost equal "Quantum Of Solace" on RT.

    Don't underestimate his predictions, because he usually is spot-on :-):

    "Furious 7":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Furious-7-Reviews-70560.html
    85%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    81%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)

    "Kingsman: The Secret Service":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Fifty-Shades-Grey-Kingsman-Secret-Service-Reviews-69650-p2.html
    79%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    74%: Current RT Rating

    "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Mission-Impossible-Rogue-Nation-Vacation-Reviews-73407.html
    90%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    93%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)

    "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Man-from-U-N-C-L-E-Straight-Outta-Compton-Underdogs-Reviews-76037.html
    34%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    68%: Current RT Rating

    "Avengers 2: Age Of Ultron":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Avengers-Age-Ultron-Reviews-71089.html
    77%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    74%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)


    Again, don't let such articles diminish the fun that goes with a new Bond film ;-). At times he was wrong too with his predictions. But it is interesting though!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    I think this is a very interesting article:
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Spectre-Peanuts-Movie-Reviews-91707.html

    If we have to believe Doug Norrie's final RottenTomatoes predictions for "SPECTRE", then the film could start falling even more towards a minimum of 68% once the US critics start posting their reviews tomorrow (Currently, "SPECTRE" has a 78% rating on RT). That means it doesn't even get a 'Certified Fresh' rating and the rating would almost equal "Quantum Of Solace" on RT.

    Don't underestimate his predictions, because he usually is spot-on :-):

    "Furious 7":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Furious-7-Reviews-70560.html
    85%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    81%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)

    "Kingsman: The Secret Service":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Fifty-Shades-Grey-Kingsman-Secret-Service-Reviews-69650-p2.html
    79%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    74%: Current RT Rating

    "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Mission-Impossible-Rogue-Nation-Vacation-Reviews-73407.html
    90%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    93%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)

    "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Man-from-U-N-C-L-E-Straight-Outta-Compton-Underdogs-Reviews-76037.html
    34%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    68%: Current RT Rating

    "Avengers 2: Age Of Ultron":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Avengers-Age-Ultron-Reviews-71089.html
    77%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    74%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)


    Again, don't let such articles diminish the fun that goes with a new Bond film ;-). At times he was wrong too with his predictions. But it is interesting though!

    How can he predict without reviews? I doubt that low ...too many likes even with the faults.

    Maybe I'm wrong but don't see American critics bashing the film that much. QoS yes but this isn't QoS.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    This was what I was concerned about before.

    I also have had a feeling they will tend towards the bashing side (because there is a tendency to try to tear down something that was an unexpected success previously).

    Let's see what happens.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    bondjames wrote: »
    This was what I was concerned about before.

    I also have had a feeling they will tend towards the bashing side (because there is a tendency to try to tear down something that was an unexpected success previously).

    Let's see what happens.

    Well that's maybe true too... but it might hit a reminiscent cord with some critics.

  • bondjames wrote: »
    This was what I was concerned about before.

    I also have had a feeling they will tend towards the bashing side (because there is a tendency to try to tear down something that was an unexpected success previously).

    Let's see what happens.

    Ah well, look on the bright side ;-). "SPECTRE"!! November 6th!
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
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    If that happens in this case will be unfair to a film that I am expecting to be just fun to experience.
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 11,119
    I think this is a very interesting article:
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Spectre-Peanuts-Movie-Reviews-91707.html

    If we have to believe Doug Norrie's final RottenTomatoes predictions for "SPECTRE", then the film could start falling even more towards a minimum of 68% once the US critics start posting their reviews tomorrow (Currently, "SPECTRE" has a 78% rating on RT). That means it doesn't even get a 'Certified Fresh' rating and the rating would almost equal "Quantum Of Solace" on RT.

    Don't underestimate his predictions, because he usually is spot-on :-):

    "Furious 7":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Furious-7-Reviews-70560.html
    85%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    81%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)

    "Kingsman: The Secret Service":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Fifty-Shades-Grey-Kingsman-Secret-Service-Reviews-69650-p2.html
    79%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    74%: Current RT Rating

    "Mission: Impossible - Rogue Nation":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Mission-Impossible-Rogue-Nation-Vacation-Reviews-73407.html
    90%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    93%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)

    "The Man From U.N.C.L.E.":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Man-from-U-N-C-L-E-Straight-Outta-Compton-Underdogs-Reviews-76037.html
    34%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    68%: Current RT Rating

    "Avengers 2: Age Of Ultron":
    http://www.cinemablend.com/new/Rotten-Week-Predicting-Avengers-Age-Ultron-Reviews-71089.html
    77%: Doug Norrie's prediction
    74%: Current RT Rating (Certified Fresh)


    Again, don't let such articles diminish the fun that goes with a new Bond film ;-). At times he was wrong too with his predictions. But it is interesting though!

    Ufff, the guy could be right :-P. US reviews are coming in, and they severely lowering the RottenTomatoes-meter closer towards the final rating of "Quantum Of Solace". It now stands at 71%. Most new US reviews are 'rotten'.

    I think we need to....use Guy Hamilton's motto once again:
    "We're going to take you to wonderful places, we're going to show you beautiful girls, we're gonna have some suspense, we're gonna have some laughs....but...let's enjoyy!"

    No worries guys. Let's stay positive! :-D Peace, kisses, hehe.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Reality sets in I guess.
    This just shows how overrated Skyfall is.
    The gap between SF and SP on Metascore and RT is ridiculously wide.
  • Reality sets in I guess.
    This just shows how overrated Skyfall is.
    The gap between SF and SP on Metascore and RT is ridiculously wide.

    It depends how you look at it. You can also say that reality sets in with "SPECTRE". Remember, 'ridiculous wide gaps' were also happening when "QOS" premiered after "CR" :-).
  • RC7RC7
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    Yet more evidence that RT reflects the acute mood of the people rather than anything more qualitative. The fact SP lies closer to QoS than CR and SF is laughable.
  • RC7 wrote: »
    Yet more evidence that RT reflects the acute mood of the people rather than anything more qualitative. The fact SP lies closer to QoS than CR and SF is laughable.

    I honestly find it laughable as well..... Moreover, one could have prepared for "SP" properly by re-watching the very final scenes of "SF".
  • First important Spanish review. Fotogramas is the most popular movie magazine in Spain. Jordi Batlle Caminal gives a **** (out 5) score and says that "it is like a "shower" of joy and happiness for every "pure blood" Bond fan".

    http://www.fotogramas.es/Peliculas/Spectre#critFG
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    edited November 2015 Posts: 4,563
    We all are own critics and like Bond says "Does it look like I give a damn?" I'll see for myself come Friday. I'm doing my best to stay away from reading any reviews because I couldn't give a fat rats ass what a bunch of desk jockeys think.

    MOD EDIT: Please watch your usage of the f-word.
  • Posts: 3,336
    The last 6 out of 7 reviews has been rotten, does America hate bond or something?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    The last 6 out of 7 reviews has been rotten, does America hate bond or something?

    No but that's disheartening.

  • The last 6 out of 7 reviews has been rotten, does America hate bond or something?

    One would think so. I think there's indeed a slight bit of...'hate' sneeking up in the US reviews. Just read the review from Matt Zoller Seitz, who's now the chief editor of RogerEbert.com:
    http://www.rogerebert.com/reviews/spectre-2015

    In all honesty, he's basically shitting on the review from "Skyfall" that was written by the late Roger Ebert himself!

    One other thing, the Bond-franchise has one build-in flaw it can never get rid off. And which also influences ratings (on IMDB) of the best Bond films ("Skyfall", "On Her Majesty's Secret Service", "Casino Royale", "From Russia With Love"). That is its own age. What do you actually expect after 23...24 Bond films? No critical reviewer for "SPECTRE" isn't asking himself/herself that question.

    After 53 years, and more years to come, the Bond franchise gets prone more and more to comparisons of its own past. And like I said before, newer spy-/action franchises don't suffer from that problem just yet. Actually, it seems "Mission: Impossible" and "The Dark Knight" are allowed to borrow at will from its Godfather-franchise "Bond". But when Bond is doing that? The devil seems to be on Earth :-).

    In any case, this will not diminish the fun of a Bond-fan. Not for me at least :-). At least WE know better.
  • Last_Rat_StandingLast_Rat_Standing Long Neck Ice Cold Beer Never Broke My Heart
    Posts: 4,563
    Yeah the people who review these films aren't really fans of the franchise. They're paid to review films. Like GG said, we know better, we know what we want in these films and the "critics" who review them seem to not have any loyalty to the franchise and it's just a job. Probably saw it right after the peanuts film, all in a days work
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited November 2015 Posts: 23,883
    This cuts both ways actually.

    Either there is a 'bashing' going on which is unwarranted, or it is in fact warranted. I will tell you in 3 days what I think.

    From what I have read (spoiler free stuff as much as I can but really I think most of the stuff is out there) from both fans and critics, this is an entry that is not going to sit well with everyone. Objectively, it seems to have flaws. Of course it has positives as well.

    As I've said before and elsewhere, only in about 6 months can most of us be able to objectively look back and discuss this film without our emotions and obsessive fandom getting in the way. Now is not the time for the objectivity that this forum is normally known for........not after EON made us wait 3 freaking long years after a previous 4 year wait.

    So I will render my (likely irrelevant) judgement and opinion a few days from now.
    ----

    The good thing about Bond is, after 53 yrs, even with a perceived misstep (if that is the collective judgement on SP once everyone looks back on it objectively, which is by no means guaranteed), the franchise can and will bounce back. It always does. Always. The public always forgives anything when it comes to Bond. He is bulletproof. That is an advantage only a few franchises have the benefit of (Batman, Star Wars, a few others).

    That is why MGM/EON are going to do very well when the negotiations begin in earnest for the new studio tie-in, regardless of SP's performance (critically and box office).
  • edited November 2015 Posts: 4,602
    Guys, you cant pick and choose: when Kermode gave a massive thumbs up , for example, nobody said his review did not count because he was a "critic" who had no loyalty. It's just not logical to accept critics reviews who like the movie and reject the bad reviews because they are not fans and have no loyalty. You have created a tautology.
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