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Now that Quantum is revealed, does this mean.... (Warning: Spoilers)
mdo007
Katy, Texas
OK,
Since a lot of you in UK and elsewhere that is not in the US have seen the film. In the film, Mr. White revealed that Quantum is a division within SPECTRE and not a independent group, does this mean that...:
-What is Quantum relation with SPECTRE? Why did SPECTRE have Quantum do their work when SPECTRE could've done this themselves (And yes, I'm aware that during the time that Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace came out, MGM, EON. and Danjaq didn't have the rights to SPECTRE, Blofeld names for the films at that time. But it would make Bond fans question why SPECTRE would have Quantum do their work)?
-Was SPECTRE behind whatever happened in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace as Blofeld revealed in SPECTRE that he was the mastermind? Was SPECTRE the one that ordered the prototype airplane to be bomb in Casino Royale? Were they the one that wanted to help General Medrano overthrow the Bolivian government in Quantum of Solace?
-Blofeld in the film revealed that SPECTRE was also behind what happened in Skyfall making clear that Raoul Silva is a member of SPECTRE (and both Wikipedia and James Bond Wiki seem to confirmed this), that may explain how SIlva was able to acquire a lot of computer technology and that explain how Silva was able to get a virus into MI6 database and carried out cyber-terrorism campaign. That also does explain how Silva and 2 of his henchmens are able to obtain police uniforms. The last attack in Skyfall where Silva and his henchmen were trying to kill M and Bond, I have a hunch Silva's soldiers/henchmen were not mercenaries or people that Silva hired, those were definitely SPECTRE soldiers (I mean how could you explain the heavy weaponary they carried, and how could Silva have acquired an attack helicopter? Only SPECTRE could've been able acquire those since they have agents that worked for the military)
-Since Mr. White revealed that Quantum is a division within SPECTRE, we have confirmed Mr. White is a member of SPECTRE. So does this mean that Vesper Lynd (and her boyfriend, Yusef), Le Chiffe, Dominic Greene, Patrice are members of SPECTRE all along? Was Severine also a member of SPECTRE too?
-Since Max Denbigh aka Agent C in SPECTRE is a member of SPECTRE, could this mean Guy Haines, the adviser to the UK's Prime Minister in Quantum of Solace along with other government members that are member of Quantum are also by default members of SPECTRE?
Since Blofeld has revealed to Bond that he is the mastermind in the previous films it seem to implied that SPECTRE was the main villain in Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and Skyfall overall.
Since a lot of you in UK and elsewhere that is not in the US have seen the film. In the film, Mr. White revealed that Quantum is a division within SPECTRE and not a independent group, does this mean that...:
-What is Quantum relation with SPECTRE? Why did SPECTRE have Quantum do their work when SPECTRE could've done this themselves (And yes, I'm aware that during the time that Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace came out, MGM, EON. and Danjaq didn't have the rights to SPECTRE, Blofeld names for the films at that time. But it would make Bond fans question why SPECTRE would have Quantum do their work)?
-Was SPECTRE behind whatever happened in Casino Royale and Quantum of Solace as Blofeld revealed in SPECTRE that he was the mastermind? Was SPECTRE the one that ordered the prototype airplane to be bomb in Casino Royale? Were they the one that wanted to help General Medrano overthrow the Bolivian government in Quantum of Solace?
-Blofeld in the film revealed that SPECTRE was also behind what happened in Skyfall making clear that Raoul Silva is a member of SPECTRE (and both Wikipedia and James Bond Wiki seem to confirmed this), that may explain how SIlva was able to acquire a lot of computer technology and that explain how Silva was able to get a virus into MI6 database and carried out cyber-terrorism campaign. That also does explain how Silva and 2 of his henchmens are able to obtain police uniforms. The last attack in Skyfall where Silva and his henchmen were trying to kill M and Bond, I have a hunch Silva's soldiers/henchmen were not mercenaries or people that Silva hired, those were definitely SPECTRE soldiers (I mean how could you explain the heavy weaponary they carried, and how could Silva have acquired an attack helicopter? Only SPECTRE could've been able acquire those since they have agents that worked for the military)
-Since Mr. White revealed that Quantum is a division within SPECTRE, we have confirmed Mr. White is a member of SPECTRE. So does this mean that Vesper Lynd (and her boyfriend, Yusef), Le Chiffe, Dominic Greene, Patrice are members of SPECTRE all along? Was Severine also a member of SPECTRE too?
-Since Max Denbigh aka Agent C in SPECTRE is a member of SPECTRE, could this mean Guy Haines, the adviser to the UK's Prime Minister in Quantum of Solace along with other government members that are member of Quantum are also by default members of SPECTRE?
Since Blofeld has revealed to Bond that he is the mastermind in the previous films it seem to implied that SPECTRE was the main villain in Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and Skyfall overall.
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I made some modification to the title.
In answer to all your questions: no one at EON has the faintest idea. They're just making it up as they go.
To answer the OP - Spectre were across everything. That's your simple answer.
Yeah but they didn't know for sure they would have SPECTRE rights during CR or QS. Quantum was just a generic fill in.
I'm sure they are making up as they go but I wouldn't over think it.
I haven't seen the film but I wish they had left Silva out of it.
As for Silva, I might be wrong, but I understood that he was a contractual, not a full member of SPECTRE.
Yes he does. It also makes sense in light of White's change of mind: SPECTRE being far more amoral than even Quantum.
When they wrote the script for QOS (well that film really didn't have a script did it?), i'am sure that they didn't envisage Quantum as being part of Spectre.............its just that when they were writing Spectre, they had to include Quantum into the equation to tie up the loose ends in the Craig films!
I think everyone is aware of this. At least I hope they are.
Silva being a SPECTRE operative makes perfect sense. It explains how he had the resources available for his personal vendetta and the acquisition of the list of undercover agents could very well have been for Blofeld's benefit. "You help me humiliate and kill M and I'll get you something that helps you in return".
SPECTRE has members everywhere and that include members that might be part of NATO, US Army, and other armed forces around the world. So it's possible SPECTRE is able to acquire heavy weaponry and top secret weapons that even the US and UK may not know that country had.
Yes ever since I read the spoiler from SPECTRE (just to remind people, I haven't seen the movie and I'm in the US and we don't get the film until Nov 7), it all start to make sense. I always wondered how Silva was able to get all the computer/IT technologies needed to carry out the cyber-terror campaign since he would need a lot of money then I came to realize he would needed outside help. The same thing for all the henchmen and the attack helicopter. Silva couldn't have gotten those with his own money. After reading about how Silva could possibly be a SPECTRE agent, it all make sense. Those henchmens and the attack helicopter that Silva has obtained, he didn't bought those. SPECTRE gave it to him. I also suspect SPECTRE was the one that got him the police uniform after the escape in London in Skyfall.
I haven't read the Thunderball novel, but yes I recall that SPECTRE is made up of twenty-one individuals, eighteen of whom handle day-to-day affairs and are drawn in groups of three from six of the world's most notorious criminal organisations—the Gestapo, the Soviet SMERSH, Marshal Josip Broz Tito's secret police, the Italian Mafia, the Unione Corse, and a massive heroin-smuggling operation based in Turkey. So it's possible that Quantum could be one of the underdog organization of SPECTRE.
I'm not sure. Wikipedia listed Raoul Silva as a member of SPECTRE, so until we get full confirmation from EON that Silva was an agent of SPECTRE, I could say that he is affiliated. Blofeld in the film revealed that he was the mastermind behind what happened in Casino Royale, Quantum of Solace, and Skyfall. So that means SPECTRE was behind everything in the previous 3 DC Bond films.
Banks.
Anyone see The International?
That was great Bond-like thriller...Bond 25 could have been that film, except, well, it's now already been done.
From some of the comments on here about how SF now makes more 'sense', it would seem not....
Ah yes, thanks for mentioning that too. I too forgot SPECTRE has member that are probably CEO or high ranking members of international banks. As I also mention, SPECTRE has also members that are in armed forces around the world so they have the mean to get heavy weaponry and top secret weapons too. Also thank you for bringing up The International, I too like that film.
No, he wasn't on contract. He was an agent of SPECTRE all along. Even Blofeld's behavior (along with his obsession with killing Bond) in SPECTRE kinda reminds me of Silva's obsession of wanting to kill M and MI6 in Skyfall. Now I see why Blofeld and Silva were close friends, they both had something in common.
I saw this on the James Bond Wiki about Raoul Silva and to quote:
So this confirmed it, the army of henchmen and the attack helicopter he had at the end of Skyfall, those weren't mercenary or soldiers Silva bought online. Those were SPECTRE's soldiers Bond fought.
I can also confirmed that Mr White, Dominic Greene, Le Chiffre, Yusef, and probably Vesper Lynd and Severine are confirmed to be SPECTRE members. Seeing that C was also an agent of SPECTRE, we have to assume Guy Haines has to be a member of SPECTRE too. I saw this on James Bond Wiki entry about Quantum:
So that mean @MakeshiftPython is correct when he said that when Bond took down Dominic Greene, he also took down Quantum. I guess when SPECTRE found out what happened in Bolivia it was SPECTRE that killed Dominic Greene and not Quantum. That does explain why Mr. White/Swann was almost near dead in the film. This is SPECTRE punishment to both Greene and White/Swann.
It would have been nice if they revealed that White and Oberhauser started SPECTRE...but eventually White thought SPECTRE was too sinister so he started Quantum on his own. Eventually he saw that he needed Oberhauser's help so he asked him for some help for the missions in CR and QoS, and Blofeld agreed cause he found out that Bond will be sent on mission.
I would have taken it a step further and not have had Spectre be established by the time CR starts. It instead rose up from the Quantum ashes that Bond burned in his first two films. The Nine Eyes thing really should be their first big gig.
It still ups the stakes while adding more weight to the "Mr. White in exile" idea.
Are we retrospectively meant to assume that the Tosca meeting in QOS was a Spectre meeting and not a Quantum one?
I had forgotten about that line. Cheers.
Messy, to say the least.
Definitely making it up as they go along. Otherwise Silva would have been revealed as a member of Quantum in SF.
Remember, the deleted scene in Spectre said that Quantum was to act as a figure head for Spectre. That means Spectre wanted to be kept in the dark from the public (or to make sure that none of their client they had business with are actually undercover law enforcement), I guess Quantum was used as a smokescreen (a deceiver, a cover company) to evade any law-enforcement authority (despite Spectre having members that are also high-ranking member of law enforcement all around the world) or a secret agent like James Bond from uncovering the real organization. That means the Quantum members could be speaking in code and being careful not to reveal Spectre to anyone that could be listening to them (well based on how I interpreted it). How else is Spectre was able to not be seen by the public eye but just James Bond and the people around him.
Also please remember that during the time CR, and QOS was made they didn't have the copyright to SPECTRE nor Blofeld. So it might lead to some continuity issue, but I'll treat it like Quantum was a cover organization for Spectre. I'll assume Quantum was the one doing business for Spectre in the rebooted continuity.
There's is nothing implausible about Quantum being a subsidiary organisation or, as Purvis and Wade have stated, a regional branch of SPECTRE.
Yeah. It's perfectly fine for them to retcon the way they did. Works fine for me.