The SPECTRE vs Skyfall battle! (simple question)

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    To me, Skyfall is the better movie, but Spectre is the better Bond movie, mostly because it reminds me of the older Bonds which I enjoyed more than Craig's attempts at realism (except Casino Royale, which was excellently done).
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    I grade the Bond movies according to how many times I feel like watching them over a certain timespan.

    Using this as a parameter SF scores very low, and SP very high.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
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    The car chase is the least of the problem with SP, it's just not a very dangerous feeling film.

    Bond barely feels in any danger throughout, by making Craig more cocky and sure of himself they've robbed the film of an edge.

    As for which one I'll watch the most, easily SF for me so much more an enjoyable film irregardless of it being more generically Bond.

    I seriously hope if Craig returns he's gets put through the ringer more, SP barely challenged him at all.
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    The car chase is the least of the problem with SP, it's just not a very dangerous feeling film.

    Bond barely feels in any danger throughout, by making Craig more cocky and sure of himself they've robbed the film of an edge.

    As for which one I'll watch the most, easily SF for me so much more an enjoyable film irregardless of it being more generically Bond.

    I seriously hope if Craig returns he's gets put through the ringer more, SP barely challenged him at all.

    We apparently didn't see the same film. When Bond was being mauled about by that big bear on the train, I was truly fearing for his life and limb, perhaps more so than at any other point in all of cinematic Bond. Then too, when Blofeld was probing Bond scull with a dental drill, I felt it far more even then when Le Chiffre used Bond's family jewels as piñatas. And this is to say nothing of the deliciously menacing SPECTRE meeting in Roma. "Cuckoo." Indeed! Especially if you regard SP as milquetoast and pabulum.

  • edited March 2016 Posts: 4,044
    The Rome car chase gets misunderstood on this forum.
    It's brilliant, a masterpiece of cinematography, score, lighting, editing, humour and a ending that couldn't have been done better in the heyday of Brosnan or Moore.

    People complaining it doesn't scream "danger" don't get the purpose of it.

    I don't dislike the car chase, it just seems oddly placed, coming straight after the tension of the Spectre meeting. The moment Bond is called out as being the cuckoo, and then he runs for it, leads you to expect a dangerous escape, especially when Hinx goes after him. The switch to a light car chase is a bit jarring.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    Shardlake wrote: »
    The car chase is the least of the problem with SP, it's just not a very dangerous feeling film.

    Bond barely feels in any danger throughout, by making Craig more cocky and sure of himself they've robbed the film of an edge.

    As for which one I'll watch the most, easily SF for me so much more an enjoyable film irregardless of it being more generically Bond.

    I seriously hope if Craig returns he's gets put through the ringer more, SP barely challenged him at all.

    We apparently didn't see the same film. When Bond was being mauled about by that big bear on the train, I was truly fearing for his life and limb, perhaps more so than at any other point in all of cinematic Bond. Then too, when Blofeld was probing Bond scull with a dental drill, I felt it far more even then when Le Chiffre used Bond's family jewels as piñatas. And this is to say nothing of the deliciously menacing SPECTRE meeting in Roma. "Cuckoo." Indeed! Especially if you regard SP as milquetoast and pabulum.

    And not to forget a building collapsing on Bond, or Bond in a hand-to-hand combat in a out of control helicopter.

    But as you said, it was probably a different film he saw.
  • ShardlakeShardlake Leeds, West Yorkshire, England
    edited March 2016 Posts: 4,043
    Shardlake wrote: »
    The car chase is the least of the problem with SP, it's just not a very dangerous feeling film.

    Bond barely feels in any danger throughout, by making Craig more cocky and sure of himself they've robbed the film of an edge.

    As for which one I'll watch the most, easily SF for me so much more an enjoyable film irregardless of it being more generically Bond.

    I seriously hope if Craig returns he's gets put through the ringer more, SP barely challenged him at all.

    We apparently didn't see the same film. When Bond was being mauled about by that big bear on the train, I was truly fearing for his life and limb, perhaps more so than at any other point in all of cinematic Bond. Then too, when Blofeld was probing Bond scull with a dental drill, I felt it far more even then when Le Chiffre used Bond's family jewels as piñatas. And this is to say nothing of the deliciously menacing SPECTRE meeting in Roma. "Cuckoo." Indeed! Especially if you regard SP as milquetoast and pabulum.

    I know what was intended but something about that film just didn't put me on the edge of my seat like Skyfall, QOS & CR did.

    Look some it worked for but I found SPECTRE the least suspenseful film of the Craig era and I'm not on my own. His fight with Hinx was brutal but the way they signed it off with that stupid onliner from Bautista just took all the good that scene invested the film with. The same way some think the Omega line ruins Bond and Vesper's introduction I would say that one line Hinx says does the same.

    The meeting was menacing but it never delivered on it's promise. As for comparing that torture chair moment to CR's torture that is just ridiculous, Bond has never felt more vulnerable and Craig and Mads knock that scene out the park.

    Waltz and Craig in their scene was almost sleep inducing especially when you realise he's about to escape with a bloody gadget helping him.

    I believe those that loved SP so much is because it was stuffed to the gills with cliches and elements. Personally I thought the Craig era dispensed with that kind of thing.
    Those last 2 set pieces were the lamest thing this era has given us.

    Yes the sink hole sequence from QOS is probably the outright worst but QOS for me redeemed itself somewhat with other moments of the film. SP had a great PTS and few other good scenes but as soon as we get to that generic boring plane chase with the excpetion of the L'America bit and the fight on the train the rest just sends me to sleep.
    Also Bond and Swann's final moment is the worst sign off of this era.

    As for the cuckoo line I hate it as it eludes to the whole brother element which for me is one of the most outright stupid things the series has ever done.
  • I don't get it either when people say the SP car chase succeeds as something funny. It doesn't. It's humour that's entirely predictable. Don't tell me you didn't expect the gadgets all to fail in the dumbest way possible.

    No one laughed at 009's atmosphere track in my theatre, and rightly so. Predictable humour isn't funny. Period.
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    I don't get it either when people say the SP car chase succeeds as something funny. It doesn't. It's humour that's entirely predictable. Don't tell me you didn't expect the gadgets all to fail in the dumbest way possible.

    No one laughed at 009's atmosphere track in my theatre, and rightly so. Predictable humour isn't funny. Period.

    In the rather dour DC era, ANY humor is unpredictable.

  • I don't get it either when people say the SP car chase succeeds as something funny. It doesn't. It's humour that's entirely predictable. Don't tell me you didn't expect the gadgets all to fail in the dumbest way possible.

    No one laughed at 009's atmosphere track in my theatre, and rightly so. Predictable humour isn't funny. Period.

    In the rather dour DC era, ANY humor is unpredictable.

    Speaking pre-SP, I would mostly agree. SP is a different matter.
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    "Atmosphere" got a LOL in my theatre...
  • chrisisall wrote: »
    "Atmosphere" got a LOL in my theatre...

    That is good to hear. The only part of the car chase that got a laugh in my theatre was the part with the air bag, even I found it slightly amusing.
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