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I currently attend a Sixth Form in the UK, which is also part of a secondary school. It's not until recently that I've started to see religious observance creep in. As @Ludovico mentions above, I've had to sit through an assembly conducted by a vicar, who proceeded to hold a collective prayer (I folded my arms, head held high and mumbled under my breath at the inappropriateness of it all), as well as having to attend a Christmas "concert" that focused heavily on Bible readings and talks from a reverend (as if one cannot celebrate Christmas without the religious baggage).
non religious.
Merely legacy remnants of a Christian religion that will fade away in the end. They're awaiting abolition by the British Government. That is, all except Sharia law of course. Then everything will be rosy once we've expunged the last gasps of the Christian religion from the UK (and the world). Please don't kid yourselves!
with prayers at school assembly etc. Given the state of the world I think the UK
has a very good system, every one gets respect and yet every religious leader
gets ignored. :) so everyone's happy.
I just always loved that line from Kingsman. ;)
In France, all public schools are non-confessionhal. There's one exception, though : Alsace and (part of) Lorraine, where r"eligious education is part of the curriculum in public schools. The reason why ? When the las of separation between the Churches and the State was set, in 1905, those two regions were under German rule. So, they still live under the preceding rules (that is the Concordate of 1801). I know because I've lived in Metz during my childhood, and thus had religious education in school proper, and not on thursdays, like in the rest of France.
In France, all public schools are non-confessionhal. There's one exception, though : Alsace and (part of) Lorraine, where r"eligious education is part of the curriculum in public schools. The reason why ? When the las of separation between the Churches and the State was set, in 1905, those two regions were under German rule. So, they still live under the preceding rules (that is the Concordate of 1801). I know because I've lived in Metz during my childhood, and thus had religious education in school proper, and not on thursdays, like in the rest of France.
like you guys ) Cameron says. :) Him looking at flooded homes, looking sad.
Even though he cut the budget for flood defences.
Ultimately, having lived in quite a few places in my time, I think the UK is still the most secular of the English speaking countries, with the most discerning population when it comes to these matters. That's to its credit.
There's only one way to be secular: expurging ALL religions from state and institutions of power. As long as there's bishops in the House of Lords and head teachers doing assembly prayers they'll be Muslims asking for the same special rights. With the approval of devout idiots like Rowan Williams. Opposing a religion to another is never a solution: it's replacing plague with cholera. Once there's no official state religion in the UK then we'll be secular. Not before. And we'll be well armed against sharia.
Absolutely. And this is something that I think the CoE recognises if it has to resort to fabricating "controversies" in order to gain sympathy from the populace:
http://www.secularism.org.uk/blog/2015/12/time-for-the-church-to-come-clean-on-the-just-pray-controversy
Sounds good to me. Actually delete 'from state and institutions of power' from the above statement and it gets even better!
What power do they (the 26 Church of England bishops) actually have among the c. 760 members of the House of Lords though? As I said above they are only a legacy of the fact that the UK used to be a Christian country. Quite frankly, what more do atheists want? The UK is already a secular state. How much more uprooting of Christianity is required for atheists to be satisfied? Or will they ever be satisfied? I very much doubt it as they clearly enjoy harping on about the evils of religion and the need for a totally secular state. UK atheists should consider moving over to the US if they want a still religious state to dismantle and leave the UK as it is.
As an atheist I can only speak for myself. But since this is a secular I want no coercive prayers in schools. I want teachers and TAs to be able to voice their disagreement without fear of losing their job. I actually want head teachers and vicars to pray at home and in churches. Not in a public school. I vote here. I pay taxes here. I married an English woman. An atheist one. So I think I can say the hell I want. I want this country to be more free, more educated, more modern. Everything religions are against.
Wonderful how every time Islamist terrorists go off on a massacre spree, you hijack the thread to go off on one your fanatical ill-informed anti-Christian rants.
As you have proven time and time again, your understanding of Christianity is next to nil.
I really do fear a free society run by the likes of you. I don't think the free part would last too long.
@dimi, I assume there is attempt at moderation on this thread. Maybe @ludovico could be given his own little bully pulpit where he can rant and rave like the fanatic he so obviously is, instead of derailing every thread he stumbles across.
Do you even have a job? Personally I work for a living, and have life responsibilities, so I don't honestly have the time to respond to all your stupid shit.
I know for a fact virtually all of the Christians and or just generally tolerant Bond fan types, that populate this board, couldn't be bothered responding to your crap. Its not why they come to the board.
For the record, I don't really don't give a damn if prayer is allowed in public schools or not. What I care about is a a free society where free men can speak freely and ie put things to a vote when decisions need be made.
Demi-gods like you I fear would impose an oppressive intolerant ideology.
On a lighter note do you get out much or are you just pathologically obsessed with promoting your own unique brand of ignorance, spending your every waking hour trolling the web, from site to site, pounding away on your keyboard with not the foggiest understanding of what you are ranting about half the time.
If you took your head out of your ass for 5 minutes, you'd realize what threatens our free societies, aside from subversive attempts at collectivist approaches to government, would be the imposition of theocratic sharia law.
Christianity is no threat whatsoever. In fact Christianity thrives in a free society, promotes a free society. Christianity is a rock solid buffer against Sharia Law.
Yet you rail against Christianity from your altar of high ignorance eg Everything religions are against.
I really don't care what your response is. I am sure it will fly off your fingers in seconds flat as your obsession apparently has you tethered to your keyboard.
But I truly don't like wasting my breath talking to stupid people, so I honestly don't give a crap, what you think. You live in an obsessive fog.
And sorry I am not going to engage this discussion with you. Waste of time. I truly do have work and life responsibilties.
Meantime it is shame that Islamist terrorism threatens the safety of our free societies, which is why I checked out this thread today.
ISIS is a real problem. Unlike some though, I am glad there are Christian and agnostic types working together to deal constructively and effectively with this real and present danger.
I don't want to draw you in. Your calmness is a virtue..
But IMO the man is a humourless obsessive dullard.
I can respect and tolerate diverse religious and agnostic free expression, but I don't have any time for Sharia law, which is totalitarian.
That said, I'm at a point where I too feel convinced that with all the big challenges we, mankind, have before us, dogmatic, superstitious, magical and irrational thinking is the last thing we need. Then again, I'm also convinced that religion can offer people comfort, can keep some on the right path, ... However, many religious groups have yet to enter the 21st century, still stuck in the Middle-ages as they are.
I guess as someone with a deep interest in cosmology and astronomy, I'm particularly offended and in fact scared by the way science education is organised in several parts of the world. Then again, there's usually more to it than merely the teacher teaching. You see, I teach many Muslim kids but the ones I have most trouble with are Protestants. Whenever we talk about serious things like the Big Bang, Evolution, the methods of science, the insignificance of man on a cosmic scale of time and space, the age of our planet, genetic manipulation of organisms, artificial medication, dinosaurs, ... THEY're the ones responding violently and very vocally, spitting out passages from the Bible as if that's the absolute truth right there. The fact that otherwise bright kids of ages 17 and 18 can walk around with such dangerous delusions gets me progressively more convinced that this is a problem few people actually acknowledge as such. But some of these kids will become politicians, company owners, military leaders, ... and that right there is a frightening thought. Their mindless surrender to what's been forced upon them from birth seems to incapacitate them to be more critical, more sceptical and indeed at times more rational.