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More information on Roger Michell/Paul Haggis's Bond 22

Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
edited March 2020 in Bond Movies Posts: 4,409
This is all from Matthew Field and Ajay Chowdhury's great book, 'Some Kind of Hero: The Remarkable Story of the James Bond Films'.
  • Michel's outline for the film involved a villain who had hacked into the internet and shutting down systems and bringing down planes. Apparently EON weren't overly impressed with it.
  • Michell worked on the script with Ted Griffin. He apparently wanted an American writer.
  • In Haggis's script you find out that the organisation actually kidnapped Vesper's child. Haggis believed that Vesper's original motivation for betraying Bond was not strong enough.
  • In the desert Bond interrogates Greene in order to obtain information on where the kid is. Once he finds the kid he drops her off at an orphanage in Albania and meets M outside the building.
  • Haggis's script was called 'Sleep of the Dead'.

Also in the CR segment of the book, it's stated that P&W felt that Martin Campbell did everything in his power to get them fired off the project. It seems Campbell has the same view as many people on these forums.

Comments

  • w2bondw2bond is indeed a very rare breed
    edited November 2015 Posts: 2,252
    Does the rest of the book have more very interesting facts like that?! Or are they facts, how do the authors know?
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    "It seems Campbell has the same view as many people on these forums. "

    It also seems, if the above script ideas are true, that worse than P&W can happen.
  • moneyofpropre2moneyofpropre2 France
    Posts: 859
    Thanks for the info !
  • dinovelvetdinovelvet
    edited November 2015 Posts: 709
    Michel's outline for the film involved a villain who had hacked into the internet and shitting down systems

    Well, I can see why EON didn't care for THAT idea.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited November 2015 Posts: 6,306
    dinovelvet wrote: »
    Michel's outline for the film involved a villain who had hacked into the internet and shitting down systems

    Well, I can see why EON didn't care for THAT idea.

    That's a bit too personal a story. ;)
  • mepal1mepal1
    Posts: 1,098
    The pre-planning, and execution of the film QOS was a bloody mess, and blaming it on the writers strike was not true, as the writers strike didn't occur until quite close to the production of QOS starting.
    What is true is that the script should of been pretty well sorted, way before the writers strike did actually occur.
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    I need to find this book. Sounds amazing.
  • dandandandan
    Posts: 92
    "shitting down systems"

    Maybe they were worried about the poo-censors....
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
    Posts: 6,844
    Mr. Hammond: "We will never find the command Nedry used. He's covered his tracks far too well, and I think it's obvious now he's not coming back. So shitting down the entire system..."
    Mr. Arnold: "You can get somebody else because I won't do it. I will not—"
    Mr. Hammond: "Shitting down the system is the only way to wipe out everything he did. Now, as I understand it, all the systems will then come back on their original start-up modes. Correct?"
    Mr. Arnold: "Theoretically yes. But we've never shit down the entire system before. It might not come back on at all!"
    Mr. Hammond: "PEOPLE. ARE. DYING! Will you please shit down the system?"

    Mr. Arnold reluctantly drops trou.

    Mr. Arnold: "Hold on to your butts."
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited December 2015 Posts: 4,399
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  • JNOJNO Finland
    Posts: 137
    It´s time to say bye bye to Logan and P&W and welcome Haggis back.

    He´s more than capable of delivering a good script. And especially when he´s given enough time.
  • boldfingerboldfinger
    Posts: 5,767
    Exempla gratum?
  • mcdonbbmcdonbb deep in the Heart of Texas
    Posts: 4,116
    JNO wrote: »
    It´s time to say bye bye to Logan and P&W and welcome Haggis back.

    He´s more than capable of delivering a good script. And especially when he´s given enough time.

    It was time at the end of SF.
  • Pierce2DanielPierce2Daniel
    edited March 2020 Posts: 4,409
    Just found this old thread from 2015....I forgot all about that Roger Michell was originally going to direct Bond 22! I thought Danny Boyle was the first director to publicly leave a Bond film......surprising as him and Craig are clearly pals.

    Also, the morsels concerning Haggis are interesting.

    I implore anyone with the 'Some Kind of Hero' book to provide more details about the amking of QOS and SF. I'm craving more details!

    daniel-craig-roger-michell-and-rhys-ifans-picture-id98760301
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    Posts: 16,433
    The internet stuff doesn't sound hugely thrilling: I wonder if there was more of a hook to it than that?
    But I think the Vesper's child thing sounds not too bad. You'd have to really explain why she was happy to go sailing around the world with Bond though.
  • RevelatorRevelator
    Posts: 2,918
    Not just Vesper's child, Vesper and Bond's child.
  • mtmmtm United Kingdom
    edited March 2020 Posts: 16,433
    Revelator wrote: »
    Not just Vesper's child, Vesper and Bond's child.

    No, not Bond's child: that's not what Haggis says- he says she had a child with the man who betrayed her in Casino Royale: the orphanage is in Albania (like the love-knot). How are you thinking she would have had a child by Bond without him noticing? :D
  • RevelatorRevelator
    edited March 2020 Posts: 2,918
    Yes, you're right. Nevertheless, still a bad idea, as Marc Forster said:

    “Haggis had an idea they weren’t fond of, and I didn’t know if it would work or not. The idea was that Vesper in the last movie, maybe she had a kid, and there would be an orphan out there. It wasn’t anything to insult the franchise. But they felt it wasn’t particularly Bond — him looking for the kid. I think Paul thought he just leaves the kid, he doesn’t deal with it. But [the producers] thought that would be really nasty, too, because Bond was an orphan himself. If he would find a kid, would he just leave it? They were so vehemently against it. That was the only time I saw, really, ‘No, we can’t do that.’ They said, ‘Once he finds the kid, Bond can’t just leave the kid. It’s not right.’”

    I can't say I thought much of Haggis's contributions, considering his on-the-nose dialogue and forced dramatics. His interviews make it plain he'd rather be writing Le Carre-style films than Bond ones.
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