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In time, will SP be more or less appreciated?

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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    each time i watch SP - i get confused as to what i am supposed to think and feel about Bond and Madeline's relationship... this isn't some spinning top / inception moment - leaving the audience guessing doesn't cut it.... She tells Bond she loves him, but he never reciprocates it back, so does he really care as much as she does? - even at the end, when she wants nothing more to do with "this kind of life" - she walks, and Bond lets her go.. and the only thing that forced them back together was Blofeld kidnapping her... Bond was perfectly content with carry on without her... but then at the end he supposedly gives it all up to go be with her?.... huh?.... did i miss something?...... and as some of you recall - in one of the drafts of the script, he was supposed to say "now we have all the time in the world." to her, in the car before they (figuratively) drive off into the sunset.....

    their forced relationship i never bought... with Bond and Vesper, even though that had it's kind of rushed through moments - their progression was more believable..
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    A lot of people comment that Connery looks like he's having fun again in DAF; maybe he is but his appearance shows contempt for the character and the fans. There is no reason, with a reasonable amount of effort, that he could not have looked just about the same as in Thunderball. This was for a (fat) paycheck

    Connery is a shadow of himself in DAF. Unbelievable if you think that it's only 4 years after YOLT.
    If DAF had been a OHMSS style movie, Connery's lackluster performance and looks would have been a disaster of gigantic proportions. But as DAF is pure comedy bordering on parody at times, it didn't matter that much and the movie can be seen as pure camp fun.

    This. :D
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    huh?.... did i miss something?......
    No, it's just that you can't BUY something. I bought it hook, line & sinker.
    But then, I'm a fan of the winking fish at the end of LTK as well....
    :D
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Connery is a shadow of himself in DAF. Unbelievable if you think that it's only 4 years after YOLT.
    If DAF had been a OHMSS style movie, Connery's lackluster performance and looks would have been a disaster of gigantic proportions. But as DAF is pure comedy bordering on parody at times, it didn't matter that much and the movie can be seen as pure camp fun.

    part of the reason Connery left the roll, was that he felt they weren't giving him much character stuff to work with - so we'll never know, had they pitched the idea of doing a more grounded and character driven piece in OHMSS, he might have stayed on - as that was always type of Bond film he wanted to do (his words, more or less - not verbatim)... so if was something he really wanted to do, you might have gotten a better effort out of him....... but since OHMSS didn't go over well - they decided to lighten up the mood for DAF (a little too much for my own personal taste)
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    But as DAF is pure comedy bordering on parody at times, it didn't matter that much and the movie can be seen as pure camp fun.

    and thats the real problem with it right there... the movie was better suited for Austin Powers or Johnny English... not James Bond.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Connery is a shadow of himself in DAF. Unbelievable if you think that it's only 4 years after YOLT.
    If DAF had been a OHMSS style movie, Connery's lackluster performance and looks would have been a disaster of gigantic proportions. But as DAF is pure comedy bordering on parody at times, it didn't matter that much and the movie can be seen as pure camp fun.

    part of the reason Connery left the roll, was that he felt they weren't giving him much character stuff to work with - so we'll never know, had they pitched the idea of doing a more grounded and character driven piece in OHMSS, he might have stayed on - as that was always type of Bond film he wanted to do (his words, more or less - not verbatim)... so if was something he really wanted to do, you might have gotten a better effort out of him....... but since OHMSS didn't go over well - they decided to lighten up the mood for DAF (a little too much for my own personal taste)
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    But as DAF is pure comedy bordering on parody at times, it didn't matter that much and the movie can be seen as pure camp fun.

    and thats the real problem with it right there... the movie was better suited for Austin Powers or Johnny English... not James Bond.

    I won't hear anymore. %-(
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    not trying to pick on ya @Mendes4Lyfe

    here.. i'll just leave her here for you ;)

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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    When I look at that picture...


    ...all I can say this is a family friendly forum, damn.... :))
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  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    not trying to pick on ya @Mendes4Lyfe

    here.. i'll just leave her here for you ;)

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    =P~
  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    not trying to pick on ya @Mendes4Lyfe

    here.. i'll just leave her here for you ;)

    f6ea5407-e8f4-45a9-8803-2ce8e6272fc8_zpsxslpdyzg.jpg

    Awwwww. Now I *HAVE* to get the Blu Ray!!!!!!
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
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    Bond gives a look to Q after the voice changer scene which looks to me more like a Connery look to Llewelyn...
    But tell me, even for those who like/love DAF, do you even like/love the third act ? :) For me, the movie stops when the oil rig appears.
    Outrageous world wide menace, a random observation by Bond that make him notice some error caused by Blofeld's ego, Connery in a Ken Adam interior set, and the "007 and counting" masterpiece, the movie can't go anywhere but downhill after that ?
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    HASEROT wrote: »
    the only good that comes out of that whole part of the movie is the above picture. :)
    No, the bombe surprise was good too...
    :))
  • IncompetentHenchmanIncompetentHenchman
    edited March 2016 Posts: 1,817
    I like the elevator fight of DAF, but that is about it.

    EDIT: And I'm definitely not able to engage in all the 'fun' of DAF that I'm supposedly missing. Did I watch a different movie? The movie I watched had stupid humour (drag Blofeld, Bambi and Thumper) and probably the worst special effects I've seen in a Bond movie (the diamond laser sequence, which is far, far, far worse than the CGI wave from DAD).
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  • ForYourEyesOnlyForYourEyesOnly In the untained cradle of the heavens
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    Connery is really a pale shadow of himself in DAF in comparison to DN, FRWL, etc.
  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    Oh, as a complete story with no lapses in logic or steps back into the camp era of Bond, Casino Royale just tramples Spectre, despite a strong first half. Not even close.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Typical fan reactions I see here. :))
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  • TellyBlofeldTellyBlofeld
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    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    Connery is really a pale shadow of himself in DAF in comparison to DN, FRWL, etc.

    Oh, I agree with that.
  • Suivez_ce_parachuteSuivez_ce_parachute
    edited March 2016 Posts: 2,015
    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    Connery is really a pale shadow of himself in DAF in comparison to DN, FRWL, etc.

    In DAF, Bond is buried, is burnt, and is even killed (at the end of the elevator fight). Blofeld is also killed several times. But, in the end, only Bond walk on the water to resurrect.

    It is a deeply, multi-layered movie that needs to be seen a dozen of times to be understood, but a pink tie blinds everyone alas.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited March 2016 Posts: 8,392
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    ForYourEyesOnly wrote: »
    Connery is really a pale shadow of himself in DAF in comparison to DN, FRWL, etc.

    In DAF, Bond is buried, is burnt, and is even killed (at the end of the elevator fight). Blofeld is also killed several times. But, in the end, only Bond walk on the water to resurrect.

    It is a deeply, multi-layered movie that needs to be seen a dozen of times to be understood, but a pink tie blinds everyone alas.

    Bravo! ^:)^ exactly my thoughts =D>

    People are put off by the slightest things. Their loss.
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  • chrisisallchrisisall Brosnan Defender Of The Realm
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    Not cool, not funny. If it was an actor with a real sign yeah.
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  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    there... fixed.
  • Ottofuse8Ottofuse8
    edited March 2016 Posts: 832
    Suivez_ce_parachute wrote: »
    Bond gives a look to Q after the voice changer scene which looks to me more like a Connery look to Llewelyn...
    But tell me, even for those who like/love DAF, do you even like/love the third act ? :) For me, the movie stops when the oil rig appears.
    Outrageous world wide menace, a random observation by Bond that make him notice some error caused by Blofeld's ego, Connery in a Ken Adam interior set, and the "007 and counting" masterpiece, the movie can't go anywhere but downhill after that ?

    For me the movie is great until shortly after arriving at the whyte house. The second act is extremely sluggish and terrible, with a few really exceptional scenes (including bond swinging to willart whytes suite, one of my favorite scenes in the series). It picks up a bit after then, and then collapses again. The very last scene is fun though. The first third is just significantlt better than what comes after generally speaking.
  • SzonanaSzonana Mexico
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    I think it will stay in mixed bag section but it's not such a bad thing keep in mind that all the big and bold Bond adventures are In this group like : Diamonds are forever, Die Another Day, Moonraker, Thunderball and Now Spectre.

    All these are so over the top that cause a love or hate thing towards them.those are always the most polarizing Bond films.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    I see SP more in the region of GE.
    In 10 years SP will be considered lower Top 10 or 12.
  • tanaka123tanaka123
    edited March 2016 Posts: 4,325
    I was surprised on my last Bondathon how much I enjoyed DAF, it is consistently in the bottom 3 of my rankings. As has been said above the first act is quite good and then falls apart. There is a good film in there, I found the whole idea of Bond going down all the links of the pipeline really intriguing. If they kept that intrigue and dropped all the silly stuff - moon buggy, Blofeld in drag etc. this could have been a lot better.

    Anyway this thread is about Spectre ...
  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    DAF, is very much like the end of the 60s, the thin vieneer of glamour is peeling away.
    To show a bit of dullness beneath, but I still love it. :) just as I love Spectre.
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