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It'd come between he and Dan or Sean, I think, but they all have different styles and strengths. George is a bit of a berzerker with a wild side, Sean's a simple brawler with a slight variety of other styles, and Dan's the modern military man whose style feels like a mix of all forms in use to train agents across many government agencies today. I'd bet on Dan's Bond, personally, simply for his massive variety of skill in the arts, and his very animal determination.
It's also easier to shoot fight scenes today than in the past, so the others suffer a bit for it in comparison to the best of the modern day in Dan's Bond, but not all the time. I think the fights of OHMSS are as operatic and as rough as what we have today in many respects, for instance.
It's a matter of taste, like how I prefer to see what is going on in movie fights. Sure, it's all good and well having two blokes fighting, bruises and all. But what's the point when the fight looks like it was filmed by attaching the camera to one end of a length of rope, and swinging it around by the other end. It's so exciting, I can't tell what's going on.
What, 5 actors and a guy who was trained? Yes, my money is on George.
Lazenby had the worst editing? I wasn't aware that George was Bond in QOS.
This:
or this:
I'm not going to speak for anyone else, but I would take the editing of OHMSS over QOS.
Better they fight then join forces to fight others. Then we'd all be done for.
I'd actually like to see that movie.
Anyway, imo the fights in CR/SF are well done by all those who took part and there's no difficulty in seeing what's happening on-screen. Acting, direction and editing all superb.
Wow,what a force for good.Brady,but alas will never happen,as re Bond they are the same man.
Can't tell what's going on? Do you lot wear double eye-patches watching these movies, or something?
@BondAficionado, what makes the OHMSS fight tough to follow, but not, say, the stairwell fight in CR?
Is anyone on this forum a film editor? I'd love to hear his/her opinion on the matter.
He was quite nasty in the fight on top of Carver's printing press i thought.
I was just about to say, that fight is very widely shot, at times from the ceiling looking down on Bond and Che Che.
The choreography in that doesn't bother me nearly as much as the fact that Bond is going against an "invincible" villain, but the end fight is so disappointing and generic. Could've been much, much better.
To build a villain up that much,as they did with Renard,and then deliver so little,was terrible...009 shot him in the head,he will get stronger until he dies - where did we see this in its maximum capacity for Bond to overcome ?
I think Craig, Connery and Laz are the most convincing three actors to play Bond from a toughness POV. They all look like they wouldn't shy away from a brawl, and I wouldn't want to mess with any of them physically.
There you go. One thing we do both agree on.
;)
We also love Dalton's Bond.
I was thinking of the fight with Draco's goons near his office. The camera is very close to the actors and it sweeps (many times) into the punches and kicks as they happen. Very, very difficult, to see what's going on. Like I said, editors are to blame (unless 2nd unit didn't do their job and left Glen with the chaos). Who knows?
Say what you want about Lazenby but he is arguably the best fighter of all the Bond actors and his fight scenes are very much discernible. Also, I'm sorry but Lazenby on any day of the week would destroy Craig (obviously Dan is no slouch either).
Hunt was very talented as an editor, but didn't quite have the same directing talent as Young had with his much better fight scene in FRWL. He got too carried away with speeding things up (literally), chopping too much, cramming too many odd camera angles in, coupled with strange sound effects.
OHMSS is a product of its times. The studio system was in serious crisis so Hunt experimented and brought in "indie film" techniques. No one knew, and many doubted, if the series could survive Connery's absence which caused Hunt to swing for the fences.
The late '60s were also a "downer" film era, ideal for the ending of the novel. It was a perfect storm.
@jetsetwilly, heavens no. I'm ashamed it came off that way. Dalton is my #3 Bond behind Sean and Dan, and TLD and LTK around the top ten, after the films by those actors and OHMSS. I certainly wouldn't put Brosnan or Moore's eras ahead of him!
I am critical of some aspects of his performance, including physicality, and though I enjoy LTK and find it superior to TLD as a piece of Bond entertainment, I also have issues with it and the tonal inconsistency of the whole era, which I am honest and up front about. I'm still able to enjoy the movies, however, and some of what Dalton was able to do. I also try to put myself into Cubby's feet, realizing how difficult (and nonsensical) it may've been for him to just throw all the elements of Bond out the window and go all in for Dalton's approach. I want Dalton in all Fleming, all the time films, but as with DAF post-OHMSS, though I have my disappointment with what went down, it was probably the way it had to be.
OHMSS's action always strikes me as being rather avant-garde in comparison to what'd come before (and after, even more so). There's a punchier sound, more ferocious cuts, shifts from short to wide angles to disorient the viewer, etc.
I personally love it. There's just some crazy moments that really get me going, like the beach fight where Bond in a wide shot punches a man into the sea's surf as Barry's score blasts like a Bondian siren. The Che Che fight is also shot very interestingly, like a spectator bout. All the other fights in between, like a Draco's, outside the Piz Gloria lift and that great echoey brush up in the bell cabin are just really visceral to me.
You said it.