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Re-imagining of an Elliot Carver

joshdeese93joshdeese93
edited December 2015 in General Discussion Posts: 352
If 'Tomorrow Never Dies' was to be re-done to today's times, what do you think would come to be of Elliot Carver? As a media baron, would he still be older, or would it be more likely for him to be a millennial villain; in comparison to Mark Zuckerberg of Facebook, and all the access to information and media that he has?

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  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
    Posts: 13,384
    I think a " Zuckerberg" character, would be more contemporary. In that his
    Fictious Company, could be gathering information on all its users. After all
    Some companies have already been caught "spying" on their customers.
  • IGUANNAIGUANNA
    edited December 2015 Posts: 1,296
    In Spectre I saw shades of Elliot Carver in the depcition of Blofeld- Information is all. Especially for sure when he enters his surveillance room with a tapatalk notepad in his hands. He is a master of info in that scene, a voyeur and a modern day sneak. I think Kingsman proved an internet baron with a killer app could be plausible and new threat and maybe Bond should chart that territory as well, angels of death on the internet, also we do have a hyber Zuckerberg in the new Batman v Superman clip so someone agrees with that idea on a blockbuster scale anyhow since we have seen many numerous ideas repeated from the Brosnan films to the Craig films only done better I see no issue with bringing back a media baron who manipulates the world with a corporate stranglehold on the truth, its dark it's relevant and it's fairly uncharted for Bond so just give him a limp and we're good to go.
  • IGUANNAIGUANNA
    Posts: 1,296
    One thing though is please I want no body looking at computer screens again that is almost as far from thrilling and cinemtaic as it gets lol
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    Posts: 18,281
    A bit of Steve Jobs could be thrown in there too for good measure.
  • GetafixGetafix
    Posts: 11,425
    I saw Jonathan Pryce at the theatre the other day. He was in the audience, not on the stage. Looked ancient!
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2017 Posts: 5,131
    Carver is one of the worst villains of the franchise. Limp wristed and pantomime/ parody. I'd write him out not re-imagine.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
    Posts: 45,489
    Pryce is one of the few good things about TND.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
    Posts: 1,187
    The original purveyor of Fake News
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited April 2017 Posts: 15,423
    The only reason people hate Carver because he's not physically strong enough and can't fight. Other reasons given by the pseudo-intellectuals are only to incoherently cover up the particular reason above which doesn't cut it in the slightest. Carver is a great villain. Not the best, and certainly not the worst. I rate him higher than the 80s villains (except for Sanchez), Donald Pleasance's Blofeld (whom I find dull) and his successor in the role, Charles Gray's villain in DAF.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    ClarkDevlin wrote: »
    The only reason people hate Carver because he's not physically strong enough and can't fight. Other reasons given by the pseudo-intellectuals are only to incoherently cover up the particular reason above which doesn't cut it in the slightest. Carver is a great villain. Not the best, and certainly not the worst. I rate him higher than the 80s villains (except for Sanchez), Donald Pleasance's Blofeld (whom I find dull) and his successor in the role, Charles Gray's villain in DAF.

    Pryce also overacts to the point of parody. That's why I don't like Carver.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    Posts: 9,020
    Elliot Carver is my favourite villain of the series. While I see that, let's say, Gert Fröbe, certainly is better in every way, Jonathan Pryce plays Carver masterfully and hilariously funny.

    Carver fits TND like a glove. Pryce's overacting is marvelous and I can't get enough of him in TND.

    TND is maybe the Bond film that has aged the best story wise, you simply could re-visit the exact same story with online-newspapers.
    It's not that far from what's happening today.

    Just think FAKE NEWS.

    It's actually astonishing how well TND still works today. Much better than Skyfall after only five years.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    Posts: 5,131
    We just have different tastes, TND - DAD are the anti Fleming low points of the series for me I'm afraid.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
    edited April 2017 Posts: 9,020
    suavejmf wrote: »
    We just have different tastes, TND - DAD are the anti Fleming low points of the series for me I'm afraid.

    Can't argue with that. Nonetheless I enjoy both films very much (not TWINE). The franchise has proven to be various things successfully.
  • suavejmfsuavejmf Harrogate, North Yorkshire, England
    edited April 2017 Posts: 5,131
    True. Casino Royale was the return to grace for me...Craig has that natural feeling presence about him when you see him on the screen as Bond, that attitude, style, confidence matched only by Sean Connery. I never got this Brosnan, he just 'looked handsome'.....but that's about it.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Pryce was fine in TND. A bit camp, but that was ok. There were far greater problems with that film than him, most notably an over reliance on action, a distinct lack of Bondian glamour and some seriously uncharismatic female leads.

    I agree that if they were to do it today he would more likely be some kind of internet social media CEO, because that platform has overtaken newspapers as the main purveyor of self serving alternative facts. Last year's Jason Bourne had a villain that was more in line with what they would come up with today.

    I've always said that Elon Musk has the potential (quite soon) to be a Drax (from the film) like villain. I would like them to go down that path again, but they won't be able to do it with Craig. Only after they've recast.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,125
    Elliot Carver is rather unthreatening (nothing to do with physicality, many Bond villains remained menacing even if they couldn't fight), but he is funny enough to redeem himself. Not a great villain by any stretch of the imagination, but I like his repartee and how he ridicules Way Lin.
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