Which Bond novel are you currently reading?

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  • edited December 2017 Posts: 6,844
    @Some_Kind_Of_Hero - I've never read any Gardner before so I'm reading them in order but not marathoning them - in fact I'm reading them intermittently so we may end up syncing up if you start mid-year.

    I read LR and FSS pretty much back-to-back but it took me a while with IB. I usually read at least two or three non-Bond books between the Gardners so I suspect I'll probably get through Role of Honour before you start but I'd definitely join in a discussion and as I mentioned you'd probably catch up to me very quickly at the rate I'm reading them!

    That would be excellent if we did sync up—and how exciting to be reading through the Gardners for the first time! They have their drawbacks, but they certainly have their moments as well!
    I suspect having to pump out book after book every calendar year means that there are some fallow periods in Gardner's extended tenure of Bond penmanship and Icebreaker unfortunately is the first that bares the hallmarks of this.

    I suspect you're right. Even though Fleming kept a similar pace (a Bond a year), I know Gardener also continued working on his other writing while working on Bond and Bond was surely a much fresher and more creatively inspiring well for Fleming as it was his own creation and had at the time no history for comparison nor reinventing required.
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    @Major_Boothroyd, are you marathoning the Gardners right now??

    Once we're through with the MI6 Flemingathon (+ Colonel Sun) I would love to continue with the Gardners (at least the first 8 or so), many of which I haven't read for a good few years or then some. I have no idea how many would join me. Probably @Dragonpol I should think. I wouldn't dream of asking you to slow down your personal Gardnerathon, but I hope you'll join me with some input when I do embark on that. Life is insanely busy for me for the foreseeable future (which I consider a good thing), but I'm hoping Summer 2018 might be a good time to launch into that—and a good Bondian way to pass the time until B25.

    You know those two Wood adaptations, which precede Gardner, are definitely worth checking out as well.

    I'd love to read them at some point, but they aren't widely available. One of these days I'm sure I'll get my hands on nice copies for a reasonable price and it will be a wonderful find. Or better yet—but rather unlikely—they'll re-release them!
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    Thanks, @Birdleson, I'd appreciate that! I've read a passage from Wood's Spy before and was very impressed by the prose. The thought of Fleming-style novelizations of two nearly wholly original films is pretty fascinating.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    @Major_Boothroyd, are you marathoning the Gardners right now??

    Once we're through with the MI6 Flemingathon (+ Colonel Sun) I would love to continue with the Gardners (at least the first 8 or so), many of which I haven't read for a good few years or then some. I have no idea how many would join me. Probably @Dragonpol I should think. I wouldn't dream of asking you to slow down your personal Gardnerathon, but I hope you'll join me with some input when I do embark on that. Life is insanely busy for me for the foreseeable future (which I consider a good thing), but I'm hoping Summer 2018 might be a good time to launch into that—and a good Bondian way to pass the time until B25.

    Yes, I'd be happy to tag along with that. Need to read all the Continuations again anyway, so this is the perfect chance to do It!
  • MrBondMrBond Station S
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    During this year I have focused on the continuation novels, and especially Gardner’s books. There have been considerable highs (For Special Services, Nobody Lives Forever, Never Send Flowers) but also deep lows (No Deals Mr. Bond, COLD)
    Overall Gardner is very uneven, some parts of his books hits the right tone and tempo whilst some parts is way off mark with everything.

    What I find most problematic is his way of writing Bond, often it seems as he is not interested in Bond but in everything around him. That is particularly noticeable in Death Is Forever where all the characters except Bond has some kind of flourish. Bond is often an inept spectator, quoting poetry and falls in love several times during the books. Sometimes I wonder if it was intentional from Gardner, to submerse the character and defy our expectations. @Dragonpol, do you know?

    But as I said, when Gardner deliveries he does it big time. I have Brokenclaw, Scorpius and Win, Lose or Die to go and I am pretty hopeful. Overall the novels are entertaining and interesting, I like when authors or directors dare to go against expectations and do something new.

    I have also read Bensons first two novels. They are more written like Fleming, but can’t keep consistency in tone. It is very obvious that Benson was not a full fledged writer at the time. Often there is a lot action sequences and spying bunched together without a plot that keeps it together. The books are quite messy and incoherent. I will continue to read is other books during 2018 and hope to be entertained, but the problems thus far keeps me worried of what’s in store.

    Now I’m almost finished with Christopher Woods adaptation of TSWLM. It is a cracking read, far away from the film. This is a brutal story where Bond is going through a constant inner turmoil. I can really believe that this is same man that Fleming left in TMWTGG. Here he is wiser but more stubborn. He is that “seen and done it all” mindset.
    The book keeps the basic premise and characters but overall it is new situations in a more grounded reality. I do really like this book and admire Wood for doing something radically different to his film counterpart. This book really breathes Fleming in a way that does feel authentic. Not a small feat.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I read the Fleming's at the start of the year for goodness knows how many times now but am following with all the continuations for the first time. I've read Colonel Sun and I like it very much. A good book if not quite Fleming.

    Currently on John Pearson 007 biography to be followed by Christopher Wood's books.

    I may not be able to keep up with you but I'll share my thoughts as I go.

    Plenty to keep me busy until the next film!
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Seems like it with some dodgy reviews for the better Gardner books. How bad do things get?!

    Enjoying the 007 biography so far. A different spin on the Young Bond novels in a way. Worth a read.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Birdleson wrote: »
    @Samuel001 The four books that you mentioned are the ones that are most worth looking at, in my opinion, so far as the continuation novels go.

    Yes, I think that'd be a fair enough summation, as much of a Gardner fan as I am. Those are all must-reads to give one a firm foundation in the Continuation Bond from which you can then springboard to Gardner et al if you so wish.
  • Samuel001 wrote: »
    Seems like it with some dodgy reviews for the better Gardner books. How bad do things get?!

    Gardner really only goes bad when he begins to run dry of ideas and repeat himself in the second half of his run. Understandable I guess as he wrote 14 of them (plus novelizations) which is more than even Fleming himself wrote before experiencing burn-outs of sorts. I recall Gardner's 12th, Death Is Forever, being a fairly egregious case of repetition, which made for quite a laborious read. But overall I probably have more positive things to say about Gardner than any other continuation author. His earliest books seem to be his best regarded by consensus, but I also rate Nobody Lives Forever, No Deals, Mr. Bond, and Win, Lose or Die among his best output—and Brokenclaw, through not without its faults, has some fascinating stuff too. Gardner at the very least kept alive and strong the now seemingly lost tradition of the inventive torture scenario. Much the same as with the films—or even Fleming's own books—people love some and loathe some and opinions will vary.
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  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    So, I finished the 007 biography. Without doubt a Bond story with some nice filling of gaps along the way. Be nice to think this is where a retired Bond ends up.

    The Spy Who Loved Me. Only a few chapters in and the hard edge missing from the film is most welcome.

    It looks like from here on all the 007 adventures will take place in at least 2 countries. Are there any more that take place in just one like the books before?
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Samuel001 wrote: »
    So, I finished the 007 biography. Without doubt a Bond story with some nice filling of gaps along the way. Be nice to think this is where a retired Bond ends up.

    The Spy Who Loved Me. Only a few chapters in and the hard edge missing from the film is most welcome.

    It looks like from here on all the 007 adventures will take place in at least 2 countries. Are there any more that take place in just one like the books before?

    Have you read Colonel Sun yet? It's just set in Greece in the main.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Yes. I said so futher up the page. Really well written on the whole. Cracking book.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Samuel001 wrote: »
    Yes. I said so futher up the page. Really well written on the whole. Cracking book.

    Sorry! For Special Services is mostly set in the US.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    Of all the countries! I'll get to it at some point. Enjoying reading all these for the first time.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Samuel001 wrote: »
    Of all the countries! I'll get to it at some point. Enjoying reading all these for the first time.

    I'm sure there are others. I need to think back!
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  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    A few chapters into DEVIL MAY CARE. Like Colonel Sun, the start is rather good, but then it deteriorates drastically. This is worse than Gardner.
  • Revelator wrote: »
    I read all of Gardner and I'm not sure why, because his series definitely dribbled to an end. But as a Bond addict I was eager to read everything I could find. However, after reading the first Benson novel I swore off the continuations. Once again, I'm not sure why, since what I read of Benson wasn't worse than Gardner. Ultimately, Colonel Sun is the only non-Fleming Bond I found worthwhile--unlike Benson, Amis was a great novelist, and unlike Gardner he genuinely loved Fleming's Bond. And from what I've heard, unlike later celebrity continuation authors Amis took his job seriously, doing plenty of research and giving it plenty of thought. Though the book has a few longeurs, it reads like a committed attempt to capture the spirit of Fleming (and not the movies) without trying to slavishly imitate his prose style or write a pastiche. Colonel Sun himself is one of the best Bond villains--his sadism is even creepier than Dr. No's--and would have made Fleming proud.

    Agreed. Colonel Sun is an incredible achievement in it's closeness to Fleming's writing.

    I think Fleming would have loved it!

    The adult Bond continuation novels are certainly a very mixed bag.
    The first (Colonel Sun) and the most recent (Trigger Mortis) are the best, with everything in between varying from good effort (first few Gardners) to what the hell was that (Benson & Deaver).

    Ironically it was the efforts - or lack of them - from the acclaimed literati that annoyed PussyNoMore the most. Both Faulks and Boyd are great writers and consequently they raised the expectations of fans the most, only to dash them by producing half backed efforts that would have made Enid Blyton a more appropriate choice. What they were smoking when they scribed their Bonds remains one of the great questions of our time? One can only conclude that they took the wonga and ran!

    Ultimately the responsibility for all of this lies with IFP (formerly known as Gildrose) who have, IPNSHO (in PussyNoMore's not so humble opinion) been responsible for the epic mismanagement of one of the world's most valuable literary franchises.

    On their watch, the sales of adult Bond continuation novels have gone up and down like a whore's draws and this has to be down to the fact that they had absolutely no idea as to where they want the franchise to go. All of this did, of course, come to a head with the complete belly flop that was Solo. The sales of this stinker were clearly so bad that it shocked even the members of the lucky sperm into severing their ties with the lovies and searching out the more workman like Horowitz to save their, and our, bacon.

    Trigger Mortis was a very creditable - if slightly imperfect - start and PussyNoMore thinks his second may well scale the heights and be his FRWL. He will have learnt from his first effort and there is every prospect that he will knock one out of the proverbial park with his new one.

    Hopefully IFP will have the good sense to hold onto him!

  • CommanderRossCommanderRoss The bottom of a pitch lake in Eastern Trinidad, place called La Brea
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    A few chapters into DEVIL MAY CARE. Like Colonel Sun, the start is rather good, but then it deteriorates drastically. This is worse than Gardner.

    be prepared for a deep plunge.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    A few chapters into DEVIL MAY CARE. Like Colonel Sun, the start is rather good, but then it deteriorates drastically. This is worse than Gardner.

    Of course it's worse than Gardner!
  • Birdleson wrote: »
    Much worse. Rereading COLONEL SUN, I will say again that this is the only continuation novel that can remotely stand proudly next to Fleming's work (meaning that it isn't Fleming, but a wee-wriiten and well-crafted story).

    Are you posting drunk again? Your Irish accent is slipping through.
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    Bond's invisible ink message in OHMSS was also wee-written.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited February 2018 Posts: 13,355
    I read Wood's novels. It's Fleming's 007 in 2 OTT bonkers adventures. There was some great stuff in them but for me the mix was too different, wrong even.

    I much prefer Colonel Sun and that great 007 biography.

    Gardner's first has me hooked with a great set up. Loving the fact this is a new Bond story.
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    About to finish my second read through of Carte Blanche and then I plan on starting Death is Forever
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    I finished Licence Renewed and rather liked it. I suppose the big draw back is these other authors aren't writing in a kind of biographical way like Fleming was, putting how he felt into the stories every year. So instead we just get Bond adventures. I think it's this that will make them lesser books - and the scene setting, just not as good as the man himself.

    For Special Services is good so far. Pretty happy having spent only £3.25 on each Gardner novel.
  • edited February 2018 Posts: 12,837
    I might give the Woods books a try. I thought the first Gardner book was alright but I didn't like the second one at all, thought it felt way too fan fictiony, and after reading about how they get worse I didn't bother with the rest. I really liked Colonel Sun and Trigger Mortis. Still need to read the biography.

    What do people think of Benson? Haven't read much about him on here.
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    Benson brought me to an end with reading the Bond novels. I’d read the Flemings a couple of times each and then went through Colonel Sun and the Gardners. But I only lasted through a couple of Bensons.
  • ThunderfingerThunderfinger Das Boot Hill
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    After finishing DMC, I am struck by how much Faulks has nicked from earlier books and films, and not just Bond.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    After finishing DMC, I am struck by how much Faulks has nicked from earlier books and films, and not just Bond.

    Interesting. Care to elaborate, @Thunderfinger?
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