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  • fanbond123fanbond123
    edited August 2013 Posts: 1,661
    One potential problem is the age gap between Capaldi and Jenna Coleman (she plays Clara). I think the age gap - in terms of it being noticeable on screen - will alter their relationship. There is a 27 years gap between Capaldi and Coleman!

    Coleman was 25 or 26 when cast next to Matt Smith's 29 year old Doctor Who. I think it might be a weird stretch of the imagination to think Clara is going to feel the same way being around Capaldi's Doctor. But who knows, it's a sci-fi show so I guess anything is possible. I still think a younger Doctor feels more suitable when you've got a fairly young actress as companion - well, certainly for Nu era Doctor Who.

    Obviously, the originals series had older Doctors with younger companions (most notably when William Hartnell and Patrick Troughton were cast) but that format ended in 1989! The modern era show - 2005 onwards - is, to a considerable degree, a different take on the format with an emphasis on younger actors in the main roles.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    But it's good to mix things up from time to time. Helps to keep the show fresh. Capaldi will certainly bring an air of intensity to the role.

    Changes had to be made after the last series, which was quite frankly, the worst since the show was brought back in 2005.

    Let's be given a chance to see him in action first before all the negativity eh?

    Kind of reminds me of all the fuss when a certain 'blonde haired actor' landed the part of James Bond 8 years ago. I wonder whatever happened after that?........... ;-)
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    It's clear by casting a more mature actor age-wise that the powers that be want to mix things up a bit. Weren't most of the early Dr Whos older actors? So you could say they are returning Who to its root. There have been plenty of younger actors (three, to be exact) so its high time they had an older actor again. Keeps things fresh. I'd like an older Bond villain next too as we haven't had one of those for years either.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
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    Re the age gap: If Coleman stays beyond Capaldi's first series, then i'm guessing that the relationship will go more in a 7th Doctor & Ace style Teacher & Student direction. Alternatively, Coleman could be replaced with a companion closer to Capald's age for series 9. Either outcome, i'm excited to see where they are going to go with Capaldi's 12th Doctor.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    MajorDSmythe wrote:
    Re the age gap: If Coleman stays beyond Capaldi's first series, then i'm guessing that the relationship will go more in a 7th Doctor & Ace style Teacher & Student direction. Alternatively, Coleman could be replaced with a companion closer to Capald's age for series 9. Either outcome, i'm excited to see where they are going to go with Capaldi's 12th Doctor.

    Yes, I may even start watching it myself, who knows!

  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    forgotmyusername wrote:
    Is it me or does he look like a skinny Tom Baker (my childhood doctor), it's his mad crazy expressive eyes?

    Quite excited about an old Skool Doc, a long run me thinks, I think the producers are fed up of the whipper snappers making a name and buggering off.

    I do wonder this, if he'll do more than three series. I agree, it must be a right pain having the recast every four years though three is what most Doctor's do.
  • thelivingroyalethelivingroyale
    Posts: 12,837
    I could see him staying for a while because unlike Tennant and Smith, he's already a fairly famous, so he won't leave after making a name for himself because he doesn't need too.

    And unlike Eccleston, who was probably the most famous actor to take on the part, he's actually a fan of the show. So I could see him lasting a while.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
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    More than three series? I think that's your lot with most actors but at least you never get bored of them!
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
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    I think it was a smart move to bring in an older actor to mix up the dynamics. Also I dismiss the view that it will alienate the younger viewers. The vast majority of the companions are young and plenty of young adults and children guest star in the show, so plenty of characters for the younger viewers to relate to, also it's a Sci-Fi family TV show. It appeals to all ages and always has. Lets not forget that there is still a massive part of the Dr Who fan base that are old enough to have been around during the show's original run and who like me were only kids when the older actors were more common in the classic series.
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
    Posts: 2,782
    Samuel001 wrote:
    More than three series? I think that's your lot with most actors but at least you never get bored of them!

    As a fan I think he'll stick around for a while...this doctor won't put us in a spin....see what I did there...spin....doctor...and he played a spin doctor..get it?..Doctor....spin....spin doctor.....ah forget it....
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2013 Posts: 13,355
    myworldisenough wrote:
    I think it was a smart move to bring in an older actor to mix up the dynamics. Also I dismiss the view that it will alienate the younger viewers. The vast majority of the companions are young and plenty of young adults and children guest star in the show, so plenty of characters for the younger viewers to relate to, also it's a Sci-Fi family TV show. It appeals to all ages and always has. Lets not forget that there is still a massive part of the Dr Who fan base that are old enough to have been around during the show's original run and who like me were only kids when the older actors were more common in the classic series.

    Quite. This new Doctor should well and truely link the two. Plus to very young children an adult is an adult, they don't really see the age of the person.
    forgotmyusername wrote:
    Samuel001 wrote:
    More than three series? I think that's your lot with most actors but at least you never get bored of them!

    As a fan I think he'll stick around for a while...this doctor won't put us in a spin....see what I did there...spin....doctor...and he played a spin doctor..get it?..Doctor....spin....spin doctor.....ah forget it....

    I hope so. Expect only the three and you can never be disappointed. That's what I say.
  • myworldisenoughmyworldisenough
    Posts: 1,143
    Just re- watched the Doctor Who special and Mat Smith looks absolutely gutted in his congrats speech to Peter Capaldi. He constantly looks down and doesn't give eye contact and visibly shakes his head when he wishes his replacement good luck. He sounds really downbeat. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I think it was dawning on him just what he was about to let go. I think he will regret his decision and will have wished to have done at least one more series. Maybe I'm just being selfish because I would have loved him to have done one at least one more.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2013 Posts: 13,355
    He always seems that way to me in nearly every interview he gives. He never looks at the camera all the time. Let's not forget he's about to let go of a great role, it must hurt that he is about to say goodbye to it.

    At least he'll look back at his time with great fondness. I'm sure we all would have loved him to say a while longer.
  • Sammm04Sammm04
    Posts: 479
    It's funny, I'm not a Dr Who fan but I always remember Peter Capaldi for being Malcolm Tucker in In The Loop, you know he drops the F-Bomb 85 Times in that film. Love to see him like that in Dr Who, then I might watch it.
  • MajorDSmytheMajorDSmythe "I tolerate this century, but I don't enjoy it."Moderator
    Posts: 13,978
    myworldisenough wrote:
    Just re- watched the Doctor Who special and Mat Smith looks absolutely gutted in his congrats speech to Peter Capaldi. He constantly looks down and doesn't give eye contact and visibly shakes his head when he wishes his replacement good luck. He sounds really downbeat. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but I think it was dawning on him just what he was about to let go. I think he will regret his decision and will have wished to have done at least one more series. Maybe I'm just being selfish because I would have loved him to have done one at least one more.

    The thought did go through my mind too. Maybe he regrets leaving, which i'm a little confused as I was under the impression that he wasn't altogether happy about how his Doctor was being handled. But then his departure was sudden, it sounded like he was going to stay on for 2014.
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2013 Posts: 13,355
    Even more confusing is, Smith wanted only three series from the word go, according to Moffat, so he knew it was coming!
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Didn't Moffat say he wanted an older doctor this time? Anyway, I hope to watch the series.

    By the way, was Rory Kinnear actually in the running, do you think? Last I looked at this thread he was the top guess.
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
    Posts: 2,782
    http://www.blastr.com/2013-8-4/heres-everything-you-need-know-about-new-doctor-who


    Good read...I always thought Colin salmon would be an awesome Doctor...
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    4EverBonded wrote:
    By the way, was Rory Kinnear actually in the running, do you think? Last I looked at this thread he was the top guess.

    Somehow his name got added to the list but he said he didn't have or want the part as soon as that happened.
  • 4EverBonded4EverBonded the Ballrooms of Mars
    Posts: 12,480
    Ah, I see. Thanks.
  • oo7oo7
    Posts: 1,068
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  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    That's F***ing brilliant :))
  • oo7oo7
    Posts: 1,068
    WillyGalore wrote:
    That's F***ing brilliant :))

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  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
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    Why would someone put that on a one hour loop? People on YouTube really do have too much time on their hands ;-)
  • oo7oo7
    Posts: 1,068
    totally. anyway i think he will make a good doctor but whats the time frame now for his series starting? march?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    Posts: 13,355
    It will be August.
  • oo7oo7
    Posts: 1,068
    I dont get the time frame for dr who, it seems they move the most visually difficult productions to the back of the slate, but the more epic vfx does not subsitute for well written episodes.
    why cant they embrase the cheaper production in an effort to produce the 13 episodes a year instead of constantly moving the production back.
    I dont get it about sherlock either. the main characters change their appearance almost never, there are a total of 5 locations a episode, sherlocks flat, the police station and the morgue are in each then a murder scene and a follow up scene. that coupled with the fact the stories are only getting modernised does not make any sense that the show takes two years to make?
  • Samuel001Samuel001 Moderator
    edited August 2013 Posts: 13,355
    It takes two years because the actors are doing other things and they want to keep the quality of a high level. Steven Moffat does both Doctor Who and Sherlock and can't make both at once.
  • WillyGaloreWillyGalore
    Posts: 6,396
    oo7 wrote:
    I dont get the time frame for dr who, it seems they move the most visually difficult productions to the back of the slate, but the more epic vfx does not subsitute for well written episodes.
    why cant they embrase the cheaper production in an effort to produce the 13 episodes a year instead of constantly moving the production back.
    I dont get it about sherlock either. the main characters change their appearance almost never, there are a total of 5 locations a episode, sherlocks flat, the police station and the morgue are in each then a murder scene and a follow up scene. that coupled with the fact the stories are only getting modernised does not make any sense that the show takes two years to make?

    It was well publicised that production on series 3 would be delayed due to both of the lead actors' scheduling commitments, in particular Freeman who has been in New Zealand filming The Hobbit trilogy.
  • forgotmyusernameforgotmyusername
    Posts: 2,782
    So the new doctor was not supposed to be the new doctor, the part was offered to someone else first but who?

    http://www.blastr.com/2013-8-5/wait-black-actor-was-offered-role-12th-doctor-first


    I reckon it was Adrian Leicester, Luther or Colin Salmon....
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