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I've already explained my view on things in the long post I made a few weeks back. The answers to your questions are there. You've forgotten it, or choose to ignore it. I'm not going to repeat myself here.
When I mentioned the economic speeches, I was speaking in the context of press coverage on it, in comparison to gossip last week (I was not directing anything at you personally, unlike what you're currently doing). It was basically ignored. That's not good for democracy. It is that kind of behaviour that leads people to vote for someone like Donald Trump. He is a product of his environment, nothing less.
If the focus isn't turned to the issues quickly, this election will go down as one of the great missed opportunities. With two candidates with such high negatives, there is a perfect opportunity to direct the discussion to the issues, because the personality element should be less important. Instead it's going in the other direction.
Oooh stop it. I read your extensive post. But it confuses me much more since you are travelling between two places, Canada and USA. Obviously, in your case, I would say that a more intense economic free trade union between Canada and the USA, something that both Trudeau and Obama hinted at, could be beneficial for your own personal situation. Alas, you didn't go thát much into detail about your profession.
But that's besides the point. I think one week after you made that huge post, Trump came up with his huge economic speech in Detroit. And frankly, either I misread or missed your views on that speech, but I didn't find it. You could have dissected that speech and give your own personal opinion about it. But if you don't want to do that, then I think I have every right to firmly criticize you.
Stop feeling so mistreated, and give your opinion about that bit of contents Trump actually uttered. You have the chance of bringing back some talk about the issues here, which I did on several occasions.
Getting into debates with people who's mind is made up is pointless. You've already expressed 'fear' several times about Trump, and even about me. That is a raw emotion. If you are fearful about a forum member that you have conversed with for a few years, then there is not much I can do.
I don't fear Trump. I applaud him for speaking his mind and for raising foreign policy issues (in particular) that have to be addressed. I wish he'd come up with more concrete proposals to the issues that he has raised, but it is what it is. He's no politician and he's not a great articulate speaker either. He's a media personality and businessman. One who's probably as surprised as the rest of us that he's gone this far. He's unlikely to win (given current polls) unless he turns his campaign around and gets more serious about the solutions that he has for the country. If he can't do that, then at least he will have brought issues that aren't going away to the fore, and as I said, this will make it very difficult for Hillary to govern during the next four years.
No doubt but let's not make a false equivalence here: with Trump America and the world would lose far more.
That's not the case. We have had 9 years of excess government debt pile on (in contrast to private debt prior to that), a massive global asset bubble (particularly in housing), an explosion of violence in the Middle East and elsewhere, tensions with Russia that are at boiling point (and which are likely to explode on the Ukraine/Crimea border shortly), an increasingly belligerent China, an economic and possible political breakdown of the EU, and simmering tensions within the USA as well (both on the left and right).
Neither Trump nor Clinton has the stature or statesman/woman quality to lead the US (or the West for that matter) through the mire that will be the next four years.
As ancient Chinese proverb say (paraphrased), we are in for (very) interesting times.
For me, I am not bitter or angry about Hillary Clinton. I do support Hillary and do not feel she will be a bad president. I do feel she is qualified and will work with others.
America doesn't loose, and doesn't win either. It's simply not growing anymore, economy-wise. Countries like Russia, Chile, India, China? Perhaps they win.....for now. Factually they are not necessarily winning, but their minds feel more like 'winning'. The USA citizens perhaps not. They feel like loosing, while in essence the prosperity still trumps (funny verb) many other big nations on this planet.
Perhaps the real message therefore should be:
(click on each quote to open it fully to read)
Rapid technological innovation (Moore's law is too conservative to describe the acceleration which is happening now) combined with laissez faire capitalism has taken us to where we are, and the rest of the world is now playing the same game, faster and better. There are only winners and losers in a capitalist model. Lack of growth is calamitous, because it's a debt fueled model.
Many of the old world powers (China, India, Turkey, Russia, Iran) are in rapid resurgence, and are increasingly ambitious to reclaim their former glory.
A reset is coming but what form it takes is the only question. Either it's protectionism, or it's war, or it's another financial meltdown triggered by some element we've missed, or it's revolution (armed or otherwise). The status quo is untenable. The global financial system is on life support.
Trump being the Alien & Clinton being the Predator.
At least you can reason to some degree with a Predator.... :))
And if you cannot read all of the article via that direct link, you may be able to thru this tweet (which has the link in the comment). NY times requires a subcription after a few views, I believe. But when linked with a tweet, I think you have access anyway:
Hope this helps.
Don't let the door hit where you oughta sit. You've "never been in America" but you're going to lecture us about "the concept of white American identity"? If this wasn't a serious subject you'd have me on the floor laughing. Get outta here, you working end of a donkey's feces factory!
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/15/us/politics/paul-manafort-ukraine-donald-trump.html
And via a tweet if you cannot read it all above:
It says in part:
Handwritten ledgers show $12.7 million in undisclosed cash payments designated for Mr. Manafort from Mr. Yanukovych’s pro-Russian political party from 2007 to 2012, according to Ukraine’s newly formed National Anti-Corruption Bureau. Investigators assert that the disbursements were part of an illegal off-the-books system whose recipients also included election officials.
In addition, criminal prosecutors are investigating a group of offshore shell companies that helped members of Mr. Yanukovych’s inner circle finance their lavish lifestyles, including a palatial presidential residence with a private zoo, golf course and tennis court. Among the hundreds of murky transactions these companies engaged in was an $18 million deal to sell Ukrainian cable television assets to a partnership put together by Mr. Manafort and a Russian oligarch, Oleg Deripaska, a close ally of President Vladimir V. Putin.
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“He understood what was happening in Ukraine,” said Vitaliy Kasko, a former senior official with the general prosecutor’s office in Kiev. “It would have to be clear to any reasonable person that the Yanukovych clan, when it came to power, was engaged in corruption.”
Mr. Kasko added, “It’s impossible to imagine a person would look at this and think, ‘Everything is all right.’”
Mr. Manafort did not respond to interview requests or written questions from The New York Times. But his lawyer, Richard A. Hibey, said Mr. Manafort had not received “any such cash payments” described by the anti-corruption officials.
In the UK, and no doubt the US, the same big donors support both main parties - so no matter who you vote for, the 'Government' get in.
What I find exciting about Trump in the US, and Brexit and Corbyn in the UK is that the voters are moving away from the established interests. Of course, the Establishment hate this, and demonise Trump, Corbyn and Brexit at every opportunity.
I want to add that we cannot be complacent. Some folks - and certainly many of Trump's supporters (even the ones now mostly disillusioned with him) - will vote for him as a protest. This piece drives this point home ~
The last thing our country needs is for Trump to win the presidency. So no matter how huge a margin various polls say Hillary is winning by - don't take any of that for granted. Because there will be many protest votes, for various reasons. She feels like the establishment in every way. He is definitely different and therefore enticing to some merely for that reason. No matter how wrong, ugly, racist or dangerous his rhetoric.
We need a strong voter turnout and less "protest" votes when it comes to a presidential election .... well, most especially this one. That is important.
Any white American who denies there is a "white identity" in this country is ignoring facts and history. Look at what was done to the original inhabitants who believed the land belonged to no one. White people shot many of them, moved into the neighborhood in droves, exploited the land, stripped them of their heritage and forced them into controlled reservations in the worst possible areas. Perhaps you heard 'The only good Indian is a dead Indian''.
Or do you think the people we brought over here in chains from Africa were treated in an any less harsh manner. They were regarded as livestock, bought and sold in open markets. You know the narrative or perhaps you don't. The truth in history depends on who is writing it. There is not one white person in the U.S. who has not benefited greatly by the actions of others who felt that being a white American makes you the privileged one. Think not...would you prefer to be a 25 year old African American man in Milwaukee or Ferguson or Mobile?
@Scaramanga spoke a truth that is hard for many of us find hard to face. Sometimes the truth is discovered by someone who looks from the outside and doesn't have a dog in the fight. You don't have to be a parent to have an opinion on child-rearing and corporal punishment. I appreciate your opinion @Scaramanga, so don't bow out now. I'll get that swinging door for you.
Regarding Brexit and Corbyn, the parallels are uncanny. If he by some chance pulls off a 'come from behind' win in November it will be, as in the case of the UK, because the opposition & the media did not focus on the issues or attempt to seriously address them, but rather focused on demonizing the messenger and the message.
The only way to beat a groundswell movement is to confront & address its concerns head-on. Remainers failed to do that in the UK, and the results were a shock wave.
@Scaramanga12, either you're serious, and then I feel sorry for you, or you're not, and then you're just borderline trolling. I suspect the former though. In any case, if Trump's stupid suggestions are your answer to the "problem" of immigration and loss of identity and whatnot, you do realise, I hope, that you've learned nothing from WWII.
@FLeiter, exactly. As I said in a previous post, most Americans are illegal immigrants. They simply took the country, wiped out its true owners until only a few of them were left whom were then locked up in concentration camps nature reserves, and established their own government. If Trump wants to give America back to its rightful owners, he can start by packing up and leaving the country.