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One can make a mistake individually, but collectively, after watching & taking in this grueling contest which lasts for 1.5 yrs with all its press machinations and what not, as well as how candidates react to the pressure cooker (who the hell would want this job and put up with all of this I don't know), the public tends to get it right.
Ultimately, it's always a vote on character.
Worth a read and feel free to agree, disagree. But I think it has some good points, so just sharing here.
"We fear change." - Garth in "Wayne's World"
Still, good calls on Trump's nonsense....
Your last sentence implies that I envision Clinton doing a Watergate. I'm sorry, but then you didn't understand my arguments. All I ask is for some sanity and self-education before you cast your vote.
The political skills you are referring to are exactly those skills that damage democracy. Implying that I support a candidate that buys an election is nonsense.
Let democracy work. Have some faith in the electoral process. It's not perfect, but in the end it's the best we have.
The public is not as stupid as you seem to feel they are all all over the world. If voters are going in one direction, there is a reason for that. As I said several months ago on this thread, it's important to understand 'why', and not denigrate, insult or dismiss their collective perspective. Those who do, no matter on which side of the argument they are on, will inevitably be on the losing side.
I did fully, until a few weeks ago, when the Phillipines chose their new president. They chose foolishly. And I'm quite scared of what's going to happen there next.
just to get an impression:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/05/31/the-new-president-of-the-philippines-says-many-slain-journalists-deserved-it/
But perhaps you guys could choose this guy : ;-)
And that in itself is quite problematic, as it should be a vote on politics.
http://www.wsj.com/article_email/clinton-might-not-be-the-nominee-1464733898-lMyQjAxMTI2NDA1MTAwMzE1Wj
I'll save my I-told-you-so until after Sander's Presidency has hatched... :D
For me, the most important things are judgement, character and vision, as well as personal strength and conviction. There are departments & Congress/Senate to fill in the blanks and the details.
http://www.downvids.net/demopocalypse-jon-stewart-comes-out-of-retirement-813527.html
And anyone here who says Bernie doesn't have a good understanding of foreign affairs may just be shocked into shutting up about that... ;)
Although I don't know if that will really do much.
You're hitting the nail on the head here. In a healthy democracy, we should vote for detailed issues, ideas and solutions. Not for just a person, his/her charisma, or other trivialities that aren't related at all to intellect.
By the way, saying that there are enough 'checks and balances' in the USA is like ignoring the US political system. As it is now, the US seems to be 'governed' (kidnapped) by a rigged two-party system. And no outsider candidates, not even Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders, dare to admit that. Not at all, they 'lift' on a political party that's not even part of their core ideologies.
Actually, the weirdest thing about this entire topic is this: There is barely a discussion about the issues. It's all populist banter from both ends of the political spectrum. It tires me. So I suggest we change this topic into something more.....healthy. A discussion about the issues. Let's use this link for that: https://www.isidewith.com/political-quiz
Once you finished the test, be a nice empathic boy or girl and post a printscreen of your results. We can perhaps then compare and start a real discussion about the issues. Shall we ;-)?
http://www.isidewith.com/elections/2016-presidential/2347266320
Surprise, surprise !
In a constitutional republic like it is, the legislation is drafted by the two chambers of Congress, the Senate and the House of Representatives. The Executive Branch, headed by the president, is independent of both the legislative and the judicial branch. Although the president appoints the Supreme Court nominee, it has to be approved by the legislative branch.
So ultimately, the president has limited power to make dramatic changes to policy. That is in the hands of Congress. Obama tried at the outset, and he ran into Congressional roadblocks & limitations throughout his 8 years in office.
So the system does work to limit power internally, except when someone uses an external threat argument to limit personal freedoms & start illegal wars, and that has happened in both the last two president's time.
Moreover, both parties have gone out of their way to support trade deals, favour corporate interests, and ensure that those on the lower rung of the economic fortune ladder continue to lose out on opportunity compared to the past. It's only a question of degrees.
This year, for the first time in a while, we have two candidates on either side who are calling it as they see it, not beholden to the party apparatus and the moneyed interests, and representing the voice of the people. This year shows the biggest crack in the power brokering that I've every seen, against absolutely all odds. A Black Swan event.
Interesting results. Pretty middle of the road in terms of party affiliations (which is the case) but closer to Trump than Republican ideology and also closer to Bernie than Socialist ideology, according to their assessment criteria. I wonder if that means both Bernie and Trump are more middle of the road?
The results reflect how I actually feel too (as I said at the start of this thread, either Trump or Bernie works for me with Hills third).
Could I analize the rest of your results? The issues for instance? The graph etc ;-). Because I really wonder how important education is for you. For me this is the pivotal issue of mankind, of our long-term future prospects, of the next generation that is yet to be born....
For you that is. And I respect that. But then there's no discussion possible with you about the issues. I have a different opinion about it. My opinions on the issues are entirely open and I find it completely relevant and appropriate. Because in the end that's what it is about.
Luckily others simply post their entire voting breakdown with this link :-).
One Trumpite & you're surrounded? Doesn't take much to surround you I guess...
:-\"