bond 23, the return of blofeld

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  • JWESTBROOK wrote:
    It would only show they've run out of ideas to bring him back.

    Every hero needs an arch-nemesis. I would love to see Bond face off against an updated, rebooted Blofeld, that arcs across several movies.

    Batman - Joker
    Superman - Lex Luthor
    Sherlock - Moriarty
    Harry Potter - Voldemort
    Winston Churchill - Hitler

    Forget the old school Blofeld, a bang up-to-date Blofeld opposite Danny boy would rock! I've got a feeling in my bones it's gonna be Fiennes, "government agent" or not :-)
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    Glenn wrote:
    Quantam were really frightening? Threatening to take over the Bolivian water supply! Give me a break, this is no job for 007! Bond who has foiled Goldfinger, foiled Dr No, foiled threats of nuclear missiles destroying London and what do producers have him doing in film re-boot number two? He travels to Bolivia to defeat some two bit crook who wants to control 60% of Bolivia's water supply!! Producers botched the 2nd Craig movie without a decent villain and a decent sinister organisation. Quantam is a dud, the beauty of Spectre and Blofeld is they don't care about world powers and politics, they are extortionists and terrorists for their own gain. Blofeld thinks big and is perfect for a return because Bond really needs him. Surely the main aim in Skyfall is to give Bond a decent villain and some real world wide danger so Bond can save the day.
    They re-booted the Bond character for the modern era, but forgot to give him a decent foe. I don't think they really know what to with Bond, the source material is staring them in the face with the Fleming books, all it takes is some imaginative re working and updating for 21st century.

    The Bolivain plot was dire indeed, and many thousands could die from the act Greene and Madrano plot. I thought the plan was contemporary, and not some stupid "take over the world" or rehashed "let's start nuclear war" that SPECTRE and Blofeld would think of. The plan in QoS was believable and much more plausible than SPECTRE's endeavors. It makes QoS more realistic, which I guess some don't like in Bond films. Then go watch LALD through to AVTAK then, I say. But Dan's Bond isn't going to have all the outlandish plots of the 60s. Obviously. His tenure is about bringing Bond through a realistic scope, capturing real life threats(terrorism in CR), and then overtaking governments(Greene/Madrano's plot) and the complications of knowing if you are on the right side(Felix wondering if the CIA is on the right side, and Bond being distrusted after the Vesper incident). I love QoS for those reasons. It is easy to connect to, and shows the times we live in well. The villains are believable because they aren't villains in real life. They appear normal to us, while in the confines of their own minds, they have evil plots. It reminds me of politicians who look nice, calm, and caring for the people they represent, but turn on their "beliefs" behind closed doors. Greene does this, appearing to be a preserver of the planet, but actually he is quite evil. It works for Craig's Bond to have these types of real world villains. I love it and hope it continues. Leave the "I want to take over the world" villains in the 60s where they belong. I'm talking to you Blofeld.

    Daniel Craig is a perfect James Bond given no one to fight with! Sure, the take over the world story is very 60's, but why not contemporise it? Along with the Beatles Bond is the most iconic 60's figure of that decade. Modernise by him all means, but give him a foe worthy of his efforts at least! SPECTRE was about extortion and money and power as much as anything else. Tell me why couldn't Blofeld be the cause of the economic collapse in Europe (Greece etc)? Far more convincing having Bond try and prevent economic terrorism than worrying about the Bolivian water supply? Quantum of Solace was a pile of unimaginative poop, after the wonderful re boot that was Casino Royale they botched it, i bet they botch it again! Now they plan on making M the key figure in the plot in Skyfall, Fleming would be turning in his grave!
  • Glenn wrote:
    Modernise by him all means, but give him a foe worthy of his efforts at least! SPECTRE was about extortion and money and power as much as anything else. Tell me why couldn't Blofeld be the cause of the economic collapse in Europe (Greece etc)?

    Yes, exactly! Have him manipulate world events, rather than the traditional "hold the world ransom for one miiiiiilion dollars!" I mean, you never know, this could actually be what's happening for real at the moment.
  • Posts: 11,425
    <blockquote rel="Samuel001">This is exactly why Bardem was offered the lead villain role I feel. To be a more physically imposing threat for Bond. They could have a great hand-to-hand first fight with each other at the end of the film if the story calls for it.</blockquote>
    I don't really see Bardem as being physically imposing compared to Bond. Sure, he <i>is</i> physically imposing, but I think his real strength lies in the way he is <i>mentally</i> imposing. He was very calm and very focused in both COLLATERAL and NO COUNTRY FOR OLD MEN, even when the world started exploding around him. We've seen villains explode in waves of emotion before, but I think Bardem could have a character above all that. It would be very unsettling to see a villain who is completely unpertubed by everything collapsing all around him.

    I agree that this is the demeanour that a villain should have, but it would hardly be the first time. Most of the classic villains have been pretty cold and calculating.
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    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    It would only show they've run out of ideas to bring him back.

    Every hero needs an arch-nemesis. I would love to see Bond face off against an updated, rebooted Blofeld, that arcs across several movies.

    Batman - Joker
    Superman - Lex Luthor
    Sherlock - Moriarty
    Harry Potter - Voldemort
    Winston Churchill - Hitler

    Forget the old school Blofeld, a bang up-to-date Blofeld opposite Danny boy would rock! I've got a feeling in my bones it's gonna be Fiennes, "government agent" or not :-)

    Indeed. An archenemy is what I think has been lacking for the character in a long while. Now we have some continuity, which is good and recurring villain (Quantum). They need a Blofeld, or Blofeld-like character. And it's not like they don't have Fleming material to work from. The Fleming Blofeld was barely used, if they ditch the cat, the bald head, the scar, there is a brand new Blofeld ready to go on the big screen, taken directly or almost from the novels.

  • edited January 2012 Posts: 12,837
    JWESTBROOK wrote:
    It would only show they've run out of ideas to bring him back.

    Every hero needs an arch-nemesis. I would love to see Bond face off against an updated, rebooted Blofeld, that arcs across several movies.

    Batman - Joker
    Superman - Lex Luthor
    Sherlock - Moriarty
    Harry Potter - Voldemort
    Winston Churchill - Hitler

    Forget the old school Blofeld, a bang up-to-date Blofeld opposite Danny boy would rock! I've got a feeling in my bones it's gonna be Fiennes, "government agent" or not :-)

    finally somebody making some sense. There's no reason that they can't bring back and update blofeld. And I think it could be fiennes too, but I think now its more likely to be bardem, if blofeld is in skyfall. And if he isn't, I'll keep my fingers crossed for bond 24 :)
  • Forgive me if Im wrong but isn't it absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for EoN to use the Blofeld character nowadays because they don't have the exclusive rights to him or SPECTRE.

    Unless something has changed since Kevin McClorys death, Im not sure. However, all this 'Blofeld for B23' talk is rather annoying considering the well documented legal wranglings in the past.
  • Forgive me if Im wrong but isn't it absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for EoN to use the Blofeld character nowadays because they don't have the exclusive rights to him or SPECTRE.

    Unless something has changed since Kevin McClorys death, Im not sure. However, all this 'Blofeld for B23' talk is rather annoying considering the well documented legal wranglings in the past.

    they got the rights to blofeld and spectre back recently I think. Blofeld was in the goldeneye: reloaded game.
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    It aint gonna happen so this thread is pretty redundant. Would love it to be true though as Blofeld is the definitive Bond villain eg Batman/Joker, Superman/Luthor etc as mentioned previously
  • Forgive me if Im wrong but isn't it absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for EoN to use the Blofeld character nowadays because they don't have the exclusive rights to him or SPECTRE.

    Unless something has changed since Kevin McClorys death, Im not sure. However, all this 'Blofeld for B23' talk is rather annoying considering the well documented legal wranglings in the past.

    they got the rights to blofeld and spectre back recently I think. Blofeld was in the goldeneye: reloaded game.

    Yeah I heard this too!
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited January 2012 Posts: 6,277

    Every hero needs an arch-nemesis. I would love to see Bond face off against an updated, rebooted Blofeld, that arcs across several movies.

    I think we're more likely to get more Quantum. White was/could continue to be a great, menacing henchman, but both Le Chiffre and Greene were weak. Of course, the conceit of CR is that the Bond girl is the real villain... The head of Quantum could be Bond's real nemesis in the Craig era.
  • No I think hes done and that should be that. Maybe a new master villain for the long term future is a good idea
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    No I think hes done and that should be that. Maybe a new master villain for the long term future is a good idea

    If this should happen then it shouldn't take place until DC's Bond era has come to an end.
  • Posts: 1,548
    echo wrote:

    Every hero needs an arch-nemesis. I would love to see Bond face off against an updated, rebooted Blofeld, that arcs across several movies.
    I think we're more likely to get more Quantum. White was/could continue to be a great, menacing henchman, but both Le Chiffre and Greene were weak. Of course, the conceit of CR is that the Bond girl is the real villain... The head of Quantum could be Bond's real nemesis in the Craig era.

    How dare you sir call me weak! I shall feed you to my piranhas for that remark!
  • echo wrote:
    I think we're more likely to get more Quantum. White was/could continue to be a great, menacing henchman, but both Le Chiffre and Greene were weak. Of course, the conceit of CR is that the Bond girl is the real villain... The head of Quantum could be Bond's real nemesis in the Craig era.

    Dude...I agree as far as Greene...but if you think Le Chiffre was weak...I just...I'm...I'm speechless really. Le Chiffre was top drawer, grade A Bond villain. What makes him even cooler, is the fact that he ticked all the 'Bond Villain' boxes without being cheesy with it, totally believable.

    I just...can't believe......anyone would call him weak...I need to go and have a sit down.
  • Posts: 12,526
    I find it remarkable that some people say Quantum is done with? Yet the same people want a Villain last seen in 1981 and 3 Bonds ago! Quantum have to be dealt with by Craig's Bond before he leaves the role.

    I loved Blofeld, but he is still stuck in that chimney! So until he works out a dastardly way to get out of it? Let's see Eon create some far more menacing Quantum villains and henchman/women along with the Head of the organisation!

    Greene was poor but i really liked Le Chiffre! Played brilliantly by Mikkleson!
  • RogueAgent wrote:
    I find it remarkable that some people say Quantum is done with? Yet the same people want a Villain last seen in 1981 and 3 Bonds ago! Quantum have to be dealt with by Craig's Bond before he leaves the role.

    I loved Blofeld, but he is still stuck in that chimney! So until he works out a dastardly way to get out of it? Let's see Eon create some far more menacing Quantum villains and henchman/women along with the Head of the organisation!

    Greene was poor but i really liked Le Chiffre! Played brilliantly by Mikkleson!

    Blofeld isn't stuck in a chimney...yet...as we're rebooted. The fact that Blofeld hasn't been seen since '81 is the exact reason why we should bring him back. Forget the Dr. Evil version with the pussy cat, update him and away we go. Whether he shows up as the head of Quantum or another entity all together, what we need is a recurring arch nemesis, not another throwaway villain that's forgotten about after the film is over.

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    We have had countless villains thrown away! Thats the point! We have not seen who pulls the tenticles at Quantum yet? They threw away the crime syndicate Janus away too easily which was a shame! Hoping Eon do not do the same with Quantum? Personally i think they will as there is already an established NEW enemy!
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
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    Forgive me if Im wrong but isn't it absolutely IMPOSSIBLE for EoN to use the Blofeld character nowadays because they don't have the exclusive rights to him or SPECTRE.

    Unless something has changed since Kevin McClorys death, Im not sure. However, all this 'Blofeld for B23' talk is rather annoying considering the well documented legal wranglings in the past.

    they got the rights to blofeld and spectre back recently I think. Blofeld was in the goldeneye: reloaded game.

    Yeah I heard this too!

    as it stands, officially right now - There is no official word on if the rights to use SPECTRE or Ernst Stavro Blofeld have officially been bought out by EON or not... just because one of his likenesses is featured in a video game doesn't mean anything - as filming rights are vastly different than video game rights.... i say this - because in the video game, the character is based off of preexisting model (or in this case actor) who already appeared in one of the films - and the character is strictly used as 'skin' for multiplayer combat... it would be vastly different to include said character in a new creative or intelecual property......... this is the reason as why SPECTRE was changed to OCTOPUS in the FRWL videogame.. sure it was based off the film - but enough was changed that it could be viewed as being something creatively different..

    as i've said numerous times here in the past... with the way the mods and admins have their finger on the pulse of everything Bond - had a deal been struck recently, or over the past couple years - it would've been news for sure........ IMO, no news, means no change..... Blofeld and SPECTRE are still the property of the McClory Estate.
  • Posts: 4,762
    Well, what I would hate to happen is for SkyFall to really ruin the character of Blofeld, and then cause a huge plot hole or inconsistency with Bond's other missions. I'm not opposed to the idea at all, but then again maybe it would be better for Quantum's leader to step forth and reveal himself, and then maybe have two more missions with him as the main villain, like the Blofeld trilogy of YOLT, OHMSS, and DAF.
  • I sort of thought that quantum could not have a leader, and could be run by lots of different agents. It would make them unique. Meanwhile, blofeld could return updated, acting solo. Like somebody said, every villian needs an arch nemesis. Nobody complained when joker was in TDK, nobody complained when moriarty was in sherlock holmes 2, etc. I would love to see blofeld return.

    I don't think blofeld is going to be in skyfall now, maybe bond 24. But it would be cool if he did, because then I could re-discover this thread and go "I WAS RIGHT!!!!"
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    In the two months since this thread was last used, it seems to have become apparent to many that Fiennes will be the new M and not Blofeld in Skyfall. While I find this to be terrably disapointing and still hold out the faint possibility that this may be a missdirection, I have nevertheless all but conceded that these rumors are probably true. That being said however, I do not think that Blofeld will not, or should not return to the series later on, perhaps in Bond 24, as this is an idea which I supprot unabashedly.

    For those who do not want to see Blofeld return becauuse they feel he was over-used or that he's unoriginal, I do not believe that you deserve the prevlige of having your thoughts heard on these forums, as you can not possibly be a true Bond fan without being a Blofeld fan. Like Batman and the Joker, Bond and Blofeld comple oneanother because they are polar opposites, and arch enemies who with their seprate existences do justify the others continued existence. That is to say that without a villain like Blofeld, why have Bond at all?

    I think what most people on these forums tend to forget is that the Bond films are all about mass entertainment, (a fact that is demonstratedby simultaneously by the apparent popularity of the late Roger films and Tim's two outings, and the apparent distain for Brosnan's films). Bond isn't some cult following like we're making it out to be on these discussions with our enthusiasm, because apart from us hard-core fans their is a whole public audience out their which for the most part also enjoy Bond films, and it's as much about entertaining them as it is us, and in order to do that, the Bond films need to be brought down to their essentials.

    One need only look to the success of The Dark Knight to demonstrate why a return of Blofeld would be perfect for the Bond franchise. Sure they're simple archetypal struggles, but something about them really translates well into films, and they all end up making a killing at the box-office. If Blofeld were to be re-invented in Bond 24, EON Productions would have a steady money streem in place to punch out the next 3 to 5 films, and have them all do extremely well, and allow them each to work to finance the following ones on a steady two year fast-track scheduled.

    However, it's not just about the money or the general cinema audience. As I said earlier, one cannot be a true Bond fan without being a fan of Blofeld. I agree, stand alone villain's have their place in the franchise. Goldfinger is my personal favorite villain, and he had no ties to SMERSH or SPECTOR. However, these secret criminal organizations are important in films like these because they allow for the construction of super-villains.

    The world is not simple and good and evil are not as easy to distinguish as they once were. This is something that I think we are all aware of and yet we are dissapointed by it because at the end of the day everyone wants to see good prevailing over evil. By pitting Bond against someone like Blofeld, it allows us to feel like all the confusing layers surrounding world issues are being pealed back to reveal the underlying struggles whichh are still fundamentaly about good vs. evil, and that even in todays's world it's still possible for a swave British secret agent to save the world. Seeing that happen on the big screen is what makes Bond films so thrilling and so special, because they are the stuff of dreams, and every one of us yearns to catch a glimpse of that wonder that we felt when we saw our first Bond film. Blofeld is the key to bringing back that sparkle to this new Bond era, and I for one say:Here the sooner the better!
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    *COMMON SENSE PIECE OF INFORMATION* There will be no Blofeld in Skyfall people, come on now... *END OF COMMON SENSE PIECE OF INFORMATION*
  • HASEROTHASEROT has returned like the tedious inevitability of an unloved season---
    edited May 2012 Posts: 4,399
    For those who do not want to see Blofeld return becauuse they feel he was over-used or that he's unoriginal, I do not believe that you deserve the prevlige of having your thoughts heard on these forums, as you can not possibly be a true Bond fan without being a Blofeld fan. Like Batman and the Joker, Bond and Blofeld comple oneanother because they are polar opposites, and arch enemies who with their seprate existences do justify the others continued existence. That is to say that without a villain like Blofeld, why have Bond at all?

    First off... who are you to suggest that people don't deserve to have their opinions heard? - why? - because it doesn't align with yours?.. thats a very narrow black and white way of thinking..

    Secondly.. Bond doesn't NEED Blofeld... while I don't mind character, and wouldn't disapprove of his return one day (should EON ever get the rights).. I, like many others, feel that his time has passed, and he might be better off staying in the golden age of Bond, where he belongs.
    I think what most people on these forums tend to forget is that the Bond films are all about mass entertainment, (a fact that is demonstratedby simultaneously by the apparent popularity of the late Roger films and Tim's two outings, and the apparent distain for Brosnan's films). Bond isn't some cult following like we're making it out to be on these discussions with our enthusiasm, because apart from us hard-core fans their is a whole public audience out their which for the most part also enjoy Bond films, and it's as much about entertaining them as it is us, and in order to do that, the Bond films need to be brought down to their essentials.

    We are all well aware of his ICON status that the character of James Bond has in the media - and around the world... to suggest a notion that we, as a collective, view Bond as some sort of small range, cult character is absrud... over $1 billion at the box office between CR and QOS is evidence enough....... which brings me to....
    One need only look to the success of The Dark Knight to demonstrate why a return of Blofeld would be perfect for the Bond franchise. Sure they're simple archetypal struggles, but something about them really translates well into films, and they all end up making a killing at the box-office. If Blofeld were to be re-invented in Bond 24, EON Productions would have a steady money streem in place to punch out the next 3 to 5 films, and have them all do extremely well, and allow them each to work to finance the following ones on a steady two year fast-track scheduled.

    How much more does Bond need to make?.. how much more can it make??.. isn't over a billion dollars between 2 films good enough anymore?.. for F's sake already... and it's well over... like around 1.2 billion dollars if memory serves me correct..

    EON doesn't need to do this "Dark Knight" reinvention of Blofeld to make more money..... and believe me, TDK had a lot more going for it (including the added publicity due to ledger's death) which helped push it along into the record books...

    the point is - you don't need gimmicks to make money.. all you need is a damn good story, which turns into a damn good film - that is it.. and as i said before, CR made close to $600 million world wide, and QOS wasn't too far behind CR... they are indeed - killing at the box office.
    ... However, these secret criminal organizations are important in films like these because they allow for the construction of super-villains./quote]

    ummm...... hello, QUANTUM?.........

    i wont comment on the rest, as i'd just be repeating myself...

    but in short, unless you want your opinions ripped apart (and not in polite way) please refrain from suggesting that people who's opinion dont mirror yours - don't deserve to have theirs heard.. whether you agree with it or not... it's their opinion, and they are entitled to it.
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    Ok @haserot, i was a bit over the top in a lot of what I said, but most of that was to try and get people back to this thread and back to discussing Blofeld's role in the series moving forward. I do think a lot of people want to see him return, and I'd like to hear their opinions on how his charector should be re-invented in this new Bond era.
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    I thought Mads Mikkelson was excellent as Le Chiffre. My only problem was that you felt a bit sorry for him - scrawny guy with blood in his eyes, desperately trying to win his money back just so he could go about his business. I also thought the choice of Mathieu Amelric was great, even if this didn't come off so well in filming.

    I think Vincent Cassell would make a good Blofeld, or just another villain.
  • I posted this in another Blofeld thread but it was locked...am going to pitch it here

    Would be interesting idea if Blofeld was to return to the series, maybe not in Skyfall but in another film later in the series. If I was a writer, I would write a story where Blofeld is a henchmen to a villain, maybe a member of Quantum, being the brains behind the operation (Kronsteen-esque in FRWL). Though the focus would be on Blofeld, a part of the story would be Bond conquering the villain, maybe having a confrontation with Blofeld with Blofeld escaping (or Bond presuming him dead when really he isn't) a slight deformity (the scar on the face). From this position, Blofeld then takes the place as an important and rising star of Quantum, whilst developing his own powerful organisation in the meantime and slowly destroying Quantum, not only killing other quantum members who do not agree with him and the principles of his new organisation (SPECTRE) but also engaging those members of Quantum who agree with him and whose ideas serve the purpose of SPECTRE (a Dr. No-esque character, a Rosa Klebb-esque character etc.)

    Just an idea how to play it.
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    Could be interesting. It requires a lot of focus on the Quantum/SPECTRE backstory, which the movies have never particularly allowed for.
  • Getafix wrote:
    Could be interesting. It requires a lot of focus on the Quantum/SPECTRE backstory, which the movies have never particularly allowed for.

    Which is stupid considering they have made the reboot, in effect, the Judi Dench show and given her more air time than needed.

    There is space for Blofeld in the series...but not until Quantum are gone for good
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    Getafix wrote:
    Could be interesting. It requires a lot of focus on the Quantum/SPECTRE backstory, which the movies have never particularly allowed for.

    Which is stupid considering they have made the reboot, in effect, the Judi Dench show and given her more air time than needed.

    There is space for Blofeld in the series...but not until Quantum are gone for good

    True, true. Cut Dench out and they'd have half an hour of extra time for actual plot. Here's hoping for Bond 24.
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