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keep the films serious and realistic.

SexpionageSexpionage Suspended
edited September 2011 in Bond Movies Posts: 49
Moore is a nice guy, but his 007 tenure were a complete disgrace to the the books and to James bond. if I were Barbara broccoli I would remake all of the original book movies made by Moore with complete seriousness and realism in the timeline we live in now....

also i wanted to mention , after goldfinger was released, Connery got out of shape and was losing his hair considerably, the films got way too unrealistic and idiotic...the James bond franchise needs to stay on the casino royale page...keep the films realistic, gritty, and true to Flemings true formula ...I absolutely despise all of u that think Roger Moore was the best bond, because he definitely was not. he was the worst. Pierce brosnan on the other hand was fed horrible scripts and the producers and directors made him play 007 more as a super-hero than a secret agent. Brosnan is a amazing character actor, he can really play a mean bastard and it kills me inside that EON and the directors did not take advantage of Brosnans grittyness and realism. I highly reccomend any bond fan to watch Brosnan's film "Seraphim Falls", the character he plays in this film is realistic and very bondian.

best bonds -
1. Connery ( DR.NO FRWL , GOLDFINGER ONLY)

2. Daniel Craig, but bond 23 may make him no.1

3. Brosnan-Dalton ..its a tie because both of these men were and still are great actors and both were unfairly treated with bad direction from directors and producers. Dalton and Brosnan could have been way more darker and realistically grittier but weren't given the creative green light to explore the character to its true depth.

4. Lazenby - Moore - they both stunk, they're films were as laughable as DAD was.
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  • BAIN123BAIN123
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    Listen, a certain amount of realism is fine BUT when you abandon the fun and try and make it too tough/gritty etc you begin to lose the essance of what Bond is about. Bond is, at heart, a fantasy. Always has been and always will be. Fleming himself described his adventures as "fairytales for adults". They may be more serious but they are at heart suppose to be escapist.

    Btw Majestys was one of the best films IMO despite Lazenby's sometimes underwhelming performance.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2011 Posts: 15,718
    If the films remain serious and realistic, the franchise will lose many fans. I think the series isn't meant to be serious and realistic. The Bond films should be fun, contain some humour and be escapist... If you lose that and do only serious/realistic movies, you will lose the Bond essence, as BAIN123 said. What differentiates Bond from other action movies is the fun, humour and escapism. You want realistic/serious movies, Sexpionnage ? Well I want Bond movies.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
    edited September 2011 Posts: 28,694
    If the films remain serious and realistic, the franchise will lose many fans. I think the series isn't meant to be serious and realistic. The Bond films should be fun, contain some humour and be escapist... If you lose that and do only serious/realistic movies, you will lose the Bond essence, as BAIN123 said. What differentiates Bond from other action movies is the fun, humour and escapism. You want realistic/serious movies, Sexpionnage ? Well I want Bond movies.
    Both CR and QoS offer huge escapism. I wanted to be Bond more than ever in those films. The somewhat realistic take makes you believe it could actually happen, and that is just cool. A movie can be realistic and still be very much escapist.
    Moore is a nice guy, but his 007 tenure were a complete disgrace to the the books and to James bond. if I were Barbara broccoli I would remake all of the original book movies made by Moore with complete seriousness and realism in the timeline we live in now....
    I absolutely agree. I am the resident Moore Bond-hater, and it is nice to see someone else join the club that sees his Bond films for what they were: Humor rampant, Bond grotesquely portrayed, and the complete unbelievable garbage.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited September 2011 Posts: 15,718
    Escapism in CR and QOS ?? :-)) Both movies are completely devoid of anything ressembling to escapism and fun. Which makes it impossible for me to call these films 'Bond films'. I have not seen a new Bond film since 2002. CR and QOS are totally un-Bondian film, they are a disgrace, a travesty of Bond films.
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited September 2011 Posts: 11,189
    Royale yes! That certainly does offer escapism. True Bond is more serious but it still feels like the audience is allowed to indulge - the whole train sequence for instance. All that stuff feels like it belongs in the Bond world. The casino's, the fancy dresses and perhaps most importantly the accessable nature of the film. It doesn't feel like its trying to be overly clever. I could happily watch Royale and have fun with it.

    Quantum, I'm not so sure about.
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    edited September 2011 Posts: 40,976
    I'm with you, @0Brady. I couldn't agree more.

    I just felt the most escapism with both CR and QoS BECAUSE of the realistic feel to it.
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    I'm with you, @0Brady. I couldn't agree more.

    I just felt the most escapism with both CR and QoS BECAUSE of the realistic feel to it.
    Indeed. I get more escapism out of CR and QoS because it FEELS like it could happen. That gets me excited.


  • Baltimore_007Baltimore_007
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    I was watching some of TWINE earlier and I think it's Brosnan's best effort, at least in terms of how Bond should be, serious and realistic, pity that Denise Richards is involved in a large part of it but what can you do

    I can appreciate the author here having some beef with Moore as the genuine Bond character, moments of seriousness were few and far between and most of his Bond tenure was played for laughs and poor attempts at humor especially his final two features

    I don't necessarily agree that Lazenby was as bad as some make out, the guy only had the one try at it and it was far from a calamity, and OHMSS is generally regarded as one of the more stellar Bond entries

    Dalton was perhaps too dark but that's how I like my Bond, nothing too campy, keep humor to a minimum and do the job, I think by the time of release in 1989 there was too much competition from other offerings that summer such as Batman and Lethal Weapon 2 amongst others that audiences chose to check them out and Bond took a back seat at the box office



  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    Moore is a nice guy, but his 007 tenure were a complete disgrace to the the books and to James bond. if I were Barbara broccoli I would remake all of the original book movies made by Moore with complete seriousness and realism in the timeline we live in now....
    So, you're basically telling EON to do ... exactly what they'ev been doing since 2006?

    You're a little late to the party.
  • SexpionageSexpionage Suspended
    edited September 2011 Posts: 49
    I strongly agree that Brosnans best performance was in twine. but the ski chase was really not necessary and the pipeline bomb defusing sequence wax really over-the-top and idiotic ...poor writing by the script writers.
  • SexpionageSexpionage Suspended
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    creasy and Brady I'm glad you guys agree with me . James bond in all honesty is simply a guy with a license to kill for the British government.

    casino royale realized this and kept the film simple, no major special effects for teenyboppers, no out of the ordinary over the top action scenes, just a damn good plot and story, the way the books were.

    Moore's films are funny and entertaining, but for all the wrong reasons. this is 2011 now , we live in a culture of fear ever since post 9/11. James bond isint going to run over crocodile heads and fight 7 ft villains in outerspace...if audiences today want to see humor espionage than they would watch Austin powers.

    oh btw the band "thievery corporation" has so many Bondian songs, I highly advise all bond fans to check em out. they'd be amazing for B23
  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited September 2011 Posts: 11,189
    Bond did wrestle giant squids though and go into "castle's of death" in the original books. I'd hardly call those things completely realistic. Bond needs larger than life quirky characters/situations and a plot that can grip the reader. Just not in an overly campy or gritty way.
  • doubleoegodoubleoego #LightWork
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    We live in a culture of fear??? Um all the Bond movies have pretty much been based on that fear, namely during the cold war period, which can be argued were far more scarier times, the only difference is, nobody back then gave a monkeys about being PC to avoid the risk of having a nuke dropped in their back garden.

    Also, the fun elements are needed but need to be kept in check; that's the point of going to the movies anyway to have a good time and for the most part Bond offers that. The perfecr balance for me and arguably the best spy movie ever made is probably, FRWL. It takes itself seriously but exploits the fun factor too without turning it into a joke. Also, the author of this thread needs to calm down.

    Ps, thunderball is a great movie and is handled far more seriously than GF.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    oh btw the band "thievery corporation" has so many Bondian songs, I highly advise all bond fans to check em out. they'd be amazing for B23
    I've heard a lot of people say this, but I completely disagree. They're an electronica group, and they clearly sound like one. I suspect all this talk of them being "Bondian" is just marketing talk.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
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    What many folks fail to consider is that there's no 'one right way' to approach the Bonds. There's a time for CR, serious and devoid of nonsensical rubbish, and there's a time for TMWTGG, funny and replete with incredulous moments. If the only type of Bonds you enjoy is one or the other, so be it. However, I myself am thankful for the series offering a multitude of different styles, feelings and moods. Some days feel like DAF, other days feel like FRWL. At least I can fill both days with a Bond film.

    After two relatively hard-boiled, down-to-earth Bonds, I think the time is right to move against the 'back to basics' trend that has permeated other franchises as well, and allow Craig the indulgence of his very own TB.
  • actonsteveactonsteve
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    Listen, a certain amount of realism is fine BUT when you abandon the fun and try and make it too tough/gritty etc you begin to lose the essance of what Bond is about. Bond is, at heart, a fantasy. ce.
    But grounded in reality. There were fantastical elements to the books but it always harked back to the reality of James Bond and his job.

    The problem with the fantasy element to the films is in the wrong hands they dont know when to stop. Its too easy to go overboard as with DAD and MR. Its very hard to get the fantasy absolutely right.

    Only a handful of films have done this in my opinion.

  • BAIN123BAIN123
    edited September 2011 Posts: 11,189
    Listen, a certain amount of realism is fine BUT when you abandon the fun and try and make it too tough/gritty etc you begin to lose the essance of what Bond is about. Bond is, at heart, a fantasy. ce.
    But grounded in reality. There were fantastical elements to the books but it always harked back to the reality of James Bond and his job.

    The problem with the fantasy element to the films is in the wrong hands they dont know when to stop. Its too easy to go overboard as with DAD and MR. Its very hard to get the fantasy absolutely right.

    Only a handful of films have done this in my opinion.

    You're right @actonsteve. However strange thing I've noticed is that people have different perceptions of what "realism" and "reality" is. What some people may see as realistic others may not. While there is no doubt CR is a more "grounded" adventure than say DAD I've heard people say that it "dumbed down the emotional part of the book and added in a bunch of noise". Other people say it's the closest we've had to Fleming's Bond. Whatever happens you won't satisfy everybody.

    For me some of the campier films have disappointed (DAF for example due to it's dullness rather than it's style) as have the more serious ones.

    I don't care if the film is completely "real" as long as it's entertaining.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    What many folks fail to consider is that there's no 'one right way' to approach the Bonds.
    I'd argue that there is 'one right way' to make a Bond film. It's just not a method that most people would think - the right way to make a Bond film is to make a film that audiences will respond to positively. If it's kooky a la Moore, dark in the vein of Dalton, or bordering on self-parody (if it weren't trying to be so serious) in the style of Brosnan, EON have to give the people what they want. And right now, they want a James Bond who is capable of making mistakes and capable of doing more than smirking and painface-ing at the camera. But that won't last forever. When the audience tires of it, something new will be found.
  • DarthDimiDarthDimi Behind you!Moderator
    Posts: 24,184
    What many folks fail to consider is that there's no 'one right way' to approach the Bonds.
    I'd argue that there is 'one right way' to make a Bond film. It's just not a method that most people would think - the right way to make a Bond film is to make a film that audiences will respond to positively. If it's kooky a la Moore, dark in the vein of Dalton, or bordering on self-parody (if it weren't trying to be so serious) in the style of Brosnan, EON have to give the people what they want. And right now, they want a James Bond who is capable of making mistakes and capable of doing more than smirking and painface-ing at the camera. But that won't last forever. When the audience tires of it, something new will be found.
    How about we turn that upside down and reclaim the power to impose a preference on audiences. If you deliver quality product, people will accept it and they will love it. You might just be the trend breaker we need right now. I agree that audiences can somewhat dictate the course of films, at least of films with few intentions besides making a lot of money. What I'd love to see right now is a superb Bond film but not the one most folks out there expect to get. Why wait for others to make that brand new thing that audiences, taken by surprise, cheer for, only to imitate it just like everybody else? Why can't EON make that brand new thing right now, and give everyone else the finger...

    And so, in a time when people expect to get LTK, I want to give them a bloody good TB. Instead of playing catch-up, I want EON to give us some surprises.
  • SexpionageSexpionage Suspended
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    oh btw the band "thievery corporation" has so many Bondian songs, I highly advise all bond fans to check em out. they'd be amazing for B23
    I've heard a lot of people say this, but I completely disagree. They're an electronica group, and they clearly sound like one. I suspect all this talk of them being "Bondian" is just marketing talk.
    oh btw the band "thievery corporation" has so many Bondian songs, I highly advise all bond fans to check em out. they'd be amazing for B23
    I've heard a lot of people say this, but I completely disagree. They're an electronica group, and they clearly sound like one. I suspect all this talk of them being "Bondian" is just marketing talk.
    oh btw the band "thievery corporation" has so many Bondian songs, I highly advise all bond fans to check em out. they'd be amazing for B23
    I've heard a lot of people say this, but I completely disagree. They're an electronica group, and they clearly sound like one. I suspect all this talk of them being "Bondian" is just marketing talk.
    wow please do not listen to this guy. he is completely wrong, he clearly is way too lazy to listen to thievery corporation..

    here's the song " take my soul", this song is not 100% electronic .

  • SexpionageSexpionage Suspended
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    take my soul is very bondian

  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Can you post more Bondian stuff from them please @Sexpionage? [-O<
  • The_ReaperThe_Reaper
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    Moore is a nice guy, but his 007 tenure were a complete disgrace to the the books and to James bond. if I were Barbara broccoli I would remake all of the original book movies made by Moore with complete seriousness and realism in the timeline we live in now....
    .

    Epic fail. You lose.
  • SexpionageSexpionage Suspended
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    "epic fail, you lose", lol what are you 11 years old? learn how to put up a real argument .
  • 0BradyM0Bondfanatic70BradyM0Bondfanatic7 Quantum Floral Arrangements: "We Have Petals Everywhere"
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    Epic fail. You lose.
    I'm sure there's a coloring book laying around here that needs coloring...In all seriousness, don't just disrespect someone with a stupid comment. Grow up and give some evidence to back up your claims.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    take my soul is very bondian

    Wow... just... wow! That song alone would be great for a Bond film. I think I might now be a fan of Thievery Corperation.

  • SexpionageSexpionage Suspended
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    I am so glad you guys are starting to like thievery corporation...they are my all time favorite band. They do all different styles of music which makes them awesome. they have alot of bondian songs, but they also have alot of chill/relaxing songs too... YouTube has all their songs so if you don't know where to listen to them just check out YouTube and search for them...I'm sure you can find a playlist
  • JWESTBROOKJWESTBROOK
    edited September 2011 Posts: 5,745

    Wow... just... wow! That song alone would be great for a Bond film. I think I might now be a fan of Thievery Corperation.

    I.. don't.. see... it.... It sounds like a good post-credit song. Like once the film is over (honestly, not joking). Its just too monotone and dragging to be a title. Titles are usually vibrant and flamboyant..

    Its a good song, but a calming song (for me), its definitely Craig's Bond, but not for a title sequence if I'm honest. Simply too slow.
  • shadowonthesunshadowonthesun Banned
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    What I'd love to see right now is a superb Bond film but not the one most folks out there expect to get.
    That's why I reckon there is scope for a film a little different - like one where James Bond "dies" (and the audience is led to believe as much) and the bulk of the film follows another Double-Oh agent sent to find out what happened (with Bond revealed to be alive and well at the end of the film, having staged his death as part of a wider plan) or even a film that follows a villain rather than Bond. There's talk that Blofeld could be returning to the films; why not make a film showing his rise to power?
    wow please do not listen to this guy. he is completely wrong, he clearly is way too lazy to listen to thievery corporation..
    I'm not the one who made a thread this morning claiming that the band had officially been announced as the title performers, a thread that was clearly misleading. This thread isn't about the title theme, and yet the band is all you seem to be talking about.
  • QsAssistantQsAssistant All those moments lost in time... like tears in rain
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    Wow... just... wow! That song alone would be great for a Bond film. I think I might now be a fan of Thievery Corperation.

    I.. don't.. see... it.... It sounds like a good post-credit song. Like once the film is over (honestly, not joking). Its just too monotone and dragging to be a title. Titles are usually vibrant and flamboyant..

    Its a good song, but a calming song (for me), its definitely Craig's Bond, but not for a title sequence if I'm honest. Simply too slow.
    I do understand what you're saying, about it not being one for the opening title, especially for Craig's Bond given the last two opening title songs. But just by listening to them and closeing my eyes I can just picture the open credits. I think they would work just fine.

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