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  • barryt007barryt007
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    Wow
    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Not necessarily..they could tone it down but the Nazi element was used in AVTAK a lot.

    That was more than 30 years ago.

    So surely its easier now ,as most veterans are dead,God bless them ?

  • ThunderpussyThunderpussy My Secret Lair
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    Nazi or Allies veterans ? ;)

    Nazi's always make good Villains, ever Drax with his new master race.
  • LudovicoLudovico
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    barryt007 wrote: »
    Wow
    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Not necessarily..they could tone it down but the Nazi element was used in AVTAK a lot.

    That was more than 30 years ago.

    So surely its easier now ,as most veterans are dead,God bless them ?

    Makes it far less likely that a former Nazi or someone whose motivations are linked to WWII play a part in a plot for a movie set in our time. That was my point. Even in GE, another movie influenced by the novel MR, Trevelyan was implausibly young for someone whose past and motivations were rooted in Stalin's purges.
  • jetsetwillyjetsetwilly
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    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Elements I would be most keen to see in B25:

    - Bond helps M with the card game against a character betraying the others
    - Gala Brand character
    - Bond trailing Scaramanga (or a character modeled after him)
    - Moonraker elements as the MI5/MI6 Co-Operation, Murder on a remote site of national or international interest

    So in other words you want Purvis & Wade to write the script... ;)

    Because they've been pushing to integrate Moonraker elements into their scripts since they first began. By their own words, they've tried to include Gala Brand in every script they've written—Casino Royale excluded, perhaps?—and have in fact at times managed to get parts of her character onscreen. (See: the unconsummated relationship between Bond and Camille or their original treatment of Madeleine Swann, which saw Bond leaving her for his job.)

    People sure like to diss the two, despite their having done some terrific work for the series, even up against meddling producers and directors with their at times crazy creative demands.
    Apparently they tried to used the opening to TMWTGG too in SPECTRE, but instead we ended up with a half arsed attempt of Bond falling off that train and then going AWOL on a beach. I heard they also wanted to use the title Magic 44 too (from YOLT).

    Which makes me question the management of EON if they decided against using Fleming material, something which Cubby himself obviously advocated during his tenure as producer in the 60's, and again in the 80's.


  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Wow
    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Not necessarily..they could tone it down but the Nazi element was used in AVTAK a lot.

    That was more than 30 years ago.

    So surely its easier now ,as most veterans are dead,God bless them ?

    Makes it far less likely that a former Nazi or someone whose motivations are linked to WWII play a part in a plot for a movie set in our time. That was my point. Even in GE, another movie influenced by the novel MR, Trevelyan was implausibly young for someone whose past and motivations were rooted in Stalin's purges.

    Trevelyan's back story made more sense when Anthony Hopkins was being considered as the villain.
    jetsetwilly wrote: »
    Some_Kind_Of_Hero wrote: »
    SeanCraig wrote: »
    Elements I would be most keen to see in B25:

    - Bond helps M with the card game against a character betraying the others
    - Gala Brand character
    - Bond trailing Scaramanga (or a character modeled after him)
    - Moonraker elements as the MI5/MI6 Co-Operation, Murder on a remote site of national or international interest

    So in other words you want Purvis & Wade to write the script... ;)

    Because they've been pushing to integrate Moonraker elements into their scripts since they first began. By their own words, they've tried to include Gala Brand in every script they've written—Casino Royale excluded, perhaps?—and have in fact at times managed to get parts of her character onscreen. (See: the unconsummated relationship between Bond and Camille or their original treatment of Madeleine Swann, which saw Bond leaving her for his job.)

    People sure like to diss the two, despite their having done some terrific work for the series, even up against meddling producers and directors with their at times crazy creative demands.
    Apparently they tried to used the opening to TMWTGG too in SPECTRE, but instead we ended up with a half arsed attempt of Bond falling off that train and then going AWOL on a beach. I heard they also wanted to use the title Magic 44 too (from YOLT).

    Which makes me question the management of EON if they decided against using Fleming material, something which Cubby himself obviously advocated during his tenure as producer in the 60's, and again in the 80's.

    The problem with TMWTGG is that an amnesia storyline will be tough to pull off credibly, plus it will seem too much like Bourne. Yes, I know Bourne was originally a riff on Bond.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Wow
    Ludovico wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    Not necessarily..they could tone it down but the Nazi element was used in AVTAK a lot.

    That was more than 30 years ago.

    So surely its easier now ,as most veterans are dead,God bless them ?

    Makes it far less likely that a former Nazi or someone whose motivations are linked to WWII play a part in a plot for a movie set in our time. That was my point. Even in GE, another movie influenced by the novel MR, Trevelyan was implausibly young for someone whose past and motivations were rooted in Stalin's purges.

    No thats not what i meant...there are man far right Neo-Nazi operators in real life in the world..it obviously wouldnt be a veteran..

  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,106
    Yes of course but even then neo Nazis are not exactly big players. They are nasty low life scumbags. Far right movements that's a different story altogether as not all fascists are Nazi.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Ludovico wrote: »
    Yes of course but even then neo Nazis are not exactly big players. They are nasty low life scumbags. Far right movements that's a different story altogether as not all fascists are Nazi.

    Yes they are scumbags,but,they could still be used as a background element for the main villain in the MR material,thats what i mean.

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Just film a John Gardner novel if you want neo-Nazis in Bond. Can't see it ever happening, mind.
  • barryt007barryt007
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    No i cant see it happening either....pretty taboo...just thought i would show that flemings MR material can be used,even the Nazi element.
  • LudovicoLudovico
    Posts: 15,106
    @echo-I love GE but it is one big weakness of the movie.
  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
    edited March 2017 Posts: 18,264
    barryt007 wrote: »
    No i cant see it happening either....pretty taboo...just thought i would show that flemings MR material can be used,even the Nazi element.

    I mean I'd love to see neo-Nazis used but not everyone would I guess. Drax was an early vengeful neo-Nazi I suppose.
  • barryt007barryt007
    Posts: 19,339
    Dragonpol wrote: »
    barryt007 wrote: »
    No i cant see it happening either....pretty taboo...just thought i would show that flemings MR material can be used,even the Nazi element.

    I mean I'd love to see neo-Nazis used but not everyone would I guess. Drax was an early vengeful neo-Nazi I suppose.

    Exactly....dont know if it would be a problem if it was used as a background story only,like Dr Mortener in AVTAK...at least that would be slightly consistant with Fleming's MR.

  • MilovyMilovy
    edited April 2017 Posts: 676
    I would enjoy seeing a bit of Bond's life when he's not on assignment. Maybe a quick montage showing Bond at shooting range, swimming, golfing, making love to married women at his apartment. Getting bored with paperwork at the office... Then M calls him in and the excitement begins.
  • QuantumOrganizationQuantumOrganization We have people everywhere
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    Milovy wrote: »
    I would enjoy seeing a bit of Bond's life when he's not on assignment. Maybe a quick montage showing Bond at shooting range, swimming, golfing, making love to married women at his apartment. Getting bored with paperwork at the office... Then M calls him in and the excitement begins.
    This. Perhaps beating someone at a game golf who turns out to have a SPECTRE tattoo!

  • DragonpolDragonpol https://thebondologistblog.blogspot.com
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    Milovy wrote: »
    I would enjoy seeing a bit of Bond's life when he's not on assignment. Maybe a quick montage showing Bond at shooting range, swimming, golfing, making love to married women at his apartment. Getting bored with paperwork at the office... Then M calls him in and the excitement begins.

    There's a fair bit of that in the Moonraker novel if Eon ever deigned to film it faithfully for once. I suppose the nearest we've come to that is the Bond-Tracy lovers montage by the pioneering Peter Hunt in OHMSS.
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