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We disagree on quite a bit, but not this. Spot on.
OK, what is the alternative, Socialism? Because that's never worked.
So your mind is open to the possibility that there is a destructive black culture which feeds off the victim status and therefore believe they are entitled to commit crime?
Btw, why are Chinese people immune to this racism fuelled crime epidemic?
I guess it does if you won't elaborate beyond vague commonalities.
The answer is Bruce Lee. Explore what works, leave the rest behind. Do not mind it if the collars & cuffs do not match.
Gotcha.
Well, yeah. A quick google search shows the definition to be this
"the avoidance of forms of expression or action that are perceived to exclude, marginalize, or insult groups of people who are socially disadvantaged or discriminated against."
As for the example of the nurse, as I said in my post, there are examples of people being offended over nothing, but that doesn't change the fact that we still live in an unfair society where groups of people are marginalised, discriminated against, and treated unfairly. As for your last point, @chrisisall summed it up quite nicely
And for the record, I'm sure you'd be "self pitying" if you actually lived in a black community and had to deal with racism and discrimination and shit like this (only the most recent example I could remember, there have been many many more)
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jul/21/florida-police-shoot-black-man-lying-down-with-arms-in-air
Sorry you were bullied but why should you just have to brush it off? Bullying isn't okay. Nor is homophobia, racism, etc. Comments that might not mean any harm can still be damaging to different groups and there's nothing wrong with taking a stand against those comments. A "joke" can still be horribly offensive regardless of if it was intended that way, and even if it's something dumb like someone just uses an outdated word, I don't think there's anything wrong with politely telling them you can't really say that anymore. If someone feels discriminated against for who they are, be it their gender, sexuality, skin colour, etc, then there's absoloutely nothing wrong with taking a stand against that imo. Otherwise where's the line? Should a gay man just brush it off if he gets called a faggot? When faced with racist comments that make them feel almost subhuman, should people just grow thicker skin? You're right, it toughens you up and gets to the point where the words don't do that
much damage anymore. But then the next step is actually taking a stand imo. People can say what they like, noone is censored, but there's nothing wrong with calling them out if what they say is offensive. It's the 21st century, some behaviours and even words just aren't okay anymore, and I think that's a good thing because of the damage they can do. By all means, say and believe what you like, but I think it's stupid to say people shouldn't get criticised if what they say or believe is offensive.
I will repeat: What do you think is politically correct in North Korea? Is that by definition a good thing?
A healthy society lets people say what they want unless it incites violence. Yes people should definitely be able to criticise someone, indeed that is a good thing, but it's gone beyond that to ostracising people and making certain things unsayable, and ultimately unthinkable. That's thought crime.
Yeah, just put up with it. That's all anyone can do without resorting to force. If you genuinely want to be rid of the hurt from being called a horrible name, ignoring it is the only solution available. Otherwise we're just launching a crusade to make ourselves feel better.
At least you weren't sexually assaulted (I'm assuming). That is rough, let me tell you. It's not easy for a male to be taken seriously in that kind of situation.
I don't see a problem with that depending on what those things are. In my experience, if someone is criticised for nothing by someone preaching "cultural appropriation" or whatever, that someone will have their fair share of defenders as well. What they said may have been divisive but I don't think it'd result in "ostracisation" unless it was more serious, ie, an actual example of discrimination or prejudice. And I don't think there's a problem with racists, homophobes, sexists, etc, being ostracised by society. And if ultimately this leads to certain mindsets becoming "unthinkable", then sounds good to me. I understand your fears and I think there is a line but I also believe that we as a society are smart enough to draw that line. This is probably a dumb example but remember all the drama when Benedict Cumberbatch used the word coloured when talking about blacks? Well yeah there were a bunch of people overreacting but there were also a lot of people defending it for what it was, a man who meant no harm (who actually meant well, he was on about the lack of roles for black actors iirc) using an outdated word that he was probably used to as a result of his posh upbringing. It's not something you can get away with saying anymore but still, no harm done, the backlash was stupid and a lot of people realised that. My point is I think people are smart enough to tell the difference between genuine discrimination and stuff like someone using an outdated word. I don't think it'll ever get to the 1984 esque world you're worried about.
As for North Korea,I didn't really know how to address your point there to be honest. I understand what you're getting at but that's a whole different situation imo. What's okay and not okay to say there isn't decided by society but by the toletarian dictatorship government that run the country, I don't think it's really comparable to the world that you and me live in. My original point was the definition of the phrase political correctness (shying away from words and actions that could make people feel discriminated against and marginalised) promotes a positive course of action, and I stand by that, because to me it does.
That is rough, glad to hear things have changed for the better.
Thank you. Things did in fact get better and I'm very happy where I'm living now. Plus that was a very long time ago and have long since been out of school.
I understand where you're coming from and it's great that you realised you were the bigger person but not everyone in that situation will think that way. Words can get to people. It can result in people feeling ashamed of who they are, not everyone can grow thicker skin and become a stronger person as a result, for some people it just completely kills their sense of self worth. I think one on one contact, mass harassment, physical, verbal, whatever, a stand should still be taken. It's disgusting that taking a stand accomplished nothing but you shouldn't let that disillusion you. People shouldn't have to just resign themselves to brushing it off. Otherwise things will never change for the better. I'm not really advocating censorship, I think there is a line, but I don't think there's anything wrong for letting people know as a society that certain words and behaviours aren't okay. Will we ever reach a point where all forms racism, sexism, homophobia, etc, have been erradicated? No, sadly a lot of it is probably just human nature. But I think there's still a room for improvement in how we combat these issues.
Correct. Human nature. No use looking for a solution where there are none to be found. That's why "brushing it off" and moving on is the best and only option to take. Wasting your time fighting for some kind of cause is only letting it define you further.
I know not everyone will come to the same solution and conclusions I have come to in life. And there was a time where words did leave me feeling hopeless and worthless. I'm glad I was able to overcome those hardships into my adulthood. If anybody today tried giving me crap, I'll handle it. I wish for the best in people and hope they can overcome their hardships like me. And I don't you personally would advocate for censorship and anything like that. You're a good person and above that kind of mentality. But I have seen lots of people who exploit PC and SJW ideals and twist it into some Nineteen Eighty Four style ideology. I hope one day all humans can move beyond these negative feelings and notions. Life would be a lot better that way.
I go to university, and it's fine. Comparisons with North Korea and 1984 (my favourite book) are idiotic. George Orwell was an avowed socialist.
I prefer to live in a world where can say what they think without being attacked by an Islamic fundamentalist. No one is saying people shouldn't be derided for odious opinions. PC is literally making things unsayable.
Bullying is quite a separate issue and should not be tolerated by those who see it happening. Problem is teachers used to be much more knowing of situations ( they used to know all pupil's names). Nowadays they either don't know, don't care or sometimes they don't want to step in for fear of being called racist (PC again).
Success within a modern capitalist system depends mostly on how rich your parents are. You can come up work anomalous rags-to-riches anecdotes, but social research has repeatedly shown that people who are born rich, die rich, and those who are born poor, die poor. Most people in our society simply don't have the opportunity and the means to succeed in an economy so weighted towards the status quo. I suggest you read The Myth of Meritocracy by James Bloodworth, an excellent book on why capitalism fails the poor.
Social Justice is merely an attempt to redress the systematic prejudices which the limit the opportunities of vast swathes of the population.
I'm going to see him live in December, very much looking forward to it!