Timeline of events between Skyfall and Spectre?

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  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,512
    RC7 wrote: »
    I guess the easiest way out of this mess is that when watching CR you imagine that QOS will also happen in 2006, when watching QOS you imagine that CR also took place in 2008.

    Is it a mess, though? The films are still great, CR is a borderline masterpiece. Why this would ever, ever be a problem to people absolutely baffles me. I think some of you need to go and have a good shag or something. A drink at least.

    I love both films and couldn't care less about the continuity.

    Just to confirm, that wasn't directed at you. There should have been a line break after 'masterpiece'. Although feel free to drink and shag at will.
  • DaltonCraig007DaltonCraig007 They say, "Evil prevails when good men fail to act." What they ought to say is, "Evil prevails."
    edited August 2016 Posts: 15,718
    No worries, @RC7, you're one of the few here who enjoy the recent DC superhero films, which makes you 'cool' in my book.
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Creasy47 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    They put the Aston back together really quickly, it would seem. Or at least Q branch shipped a new one to Bond very fast.

    The only way to explain it (if I'm not mistaken) is to assume that the last scene in CR at Lake Como takes place much later. Bond may have even had a few missions between the Venice discussion with M and that Lake Como sequence. Hence the 'Bond, James Bond' line. You could say that this final scene takes place in the future (i.e. in 2008).

    This is going solely off of the placeholder dates in the movies. If this was true, why would Bond wait two whole years after receiving White's phone number to track him down, call him, and kidnap him?

    It's pretty obvious Bond was waiting for the latest Aston to come out. Problem solved! Hahaha

  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
    Posts: 281
    Continuity between CR and QoS doesn't bother me at all, after all a film just highlights important or entertaining aspects of the given story you always have to read between the lines how you do this is subjective, my issue and in line with the op is the total hash between qos and sf, as much as I love DC in every role he's done and love all the bond films, Sf remains one that sticks out like a sore thumb for any continuity in the series and the gaping plotholes the first being in the PTS and invalidates the whole plot. I love Sf but wonder how much better bond 23 could have been?
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    Posts: 23,883
    Walecs wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    They put the Aston back together really quickly, it would seem. Or at least Q branch shipped a new one to Bond very fast.

    The only way to explain it (if I'm not mistaken) is to assume that the last scene in CR at Lake Como takes place much later. Bond may have even had a few missions between the Venice discussion with M and that Lake Como sequence. Hence the 'Bond, James Bond' line. You could say that this final scene takes place in the future (i.e. in 2008).

    So why are Bond and M talking about LeChiffre's corpse two years later? And is Bond still grieving about Vesper?
    Beats me. It truly is a conundrum. I've done my best to solve this riddle but that's evidently not good enough. Best to ignore this timeline nonsense and just focus on the performances and scenery. That's what I try to do anyway.
  • RC7RC7
    edited August 2016 Posts: 10,512
    bondjames wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    They put the Aston back together really quickly, it would seem. Or at least Q branch shipped a new one to Bond very fast.

    The only way to explain it (if I'm not mistaken) is to assume that the last scene in CR at Lake Como takes place much later. Bond may have even had a few missions between the Venice discussion with M and that Lake Como sequence. Hence the 'Bond, James Bond' line. You could say that this final scene takes place in the future (i.e. in 2008).

    So why are Bond and M talking about LeChiffre's corpse two years later? And is Bond still grieving about Vesper?
    Beats me. It truly is a conundrum. I've done my best to solve this riddle but that's evidently not good enough. Best to ignore this timeline nonsense and just focus on the performances and scenery. That's what I try to do anyway.

    You must be trolling, now. You're not that dumb. The only genuine ambiguities that arise are narrative ones that are retconned in SP. There is no conundrum regard the end of CR and beginning of QoS.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
    edited August 2016 Posts: 23,883
    RC7 wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    Walecs wrote: »
    bondjames wrote: »
    They put the Aston back together really quickly, it would seem. Or at least Q branch shipped a new one to Bond very fast.

    The only way to explain it (if I'm not mistaken) is to assume that the last scene in CR at Lake Como takes place much later. Bond may have even had a few missions between the Venice discussion with M and that Lake Como sequence. Hence the 'Bond, James Bond' line. You could say that this final scene takes place in the future (i.e. in 2008).

    So why are Bond and M talking about LeChiffre's corpse two years later? And is Bond still grieving about Vesper?
    Beats me. It truly is a conundrum. I've done my best to solve this riddle but that's evidently not good enough. Best to ignore this timeline nonsense and just focus on the performances and scenery. That's what I try to do anyway.

    You must be trolling, now. You're not that dumb. The only genuine ambiguities that arise are narrative ones that are retconned in SP. There is no conundrum regard the end of CR and beginning of QoS.
    Well, I certainly hope not! Look, there has been pages of discussion on this here. So it obviously has had an impact on people. Either way, as I've said, I couldn't care less. It doesn't bother me one way or another.
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Exactly!! Thank you!! It is confusing to me that he gets a "blank" mission. So we are supposed to just act like that mission never happened? I am just curious to know what exactly he did. People can say it doesn't matter but to me it does. The next movie immediately starts with Bond on a rogue mission. It has nothing to do with the "mission", "M" handed him at the end of "SF".

    We dont need to see Bond's life in real time you know. The mission handed to him at the end of SF could have been something dull and mundane like the plots of Fleming's 'Property of a Lady' or '007 in New York' that was over and done with in an afternoon and would make for a crap film.

    Do you want actually want EON to make a 3 year long film showing Bond clearing his inbox every day, going shopping in Tesco and reading the Times on the bog just so every moment is accounted for between films?

    Chriscoop wrote: »
    And above all bond arrives at whites villa by his yacht, that would take a fair while also.

    By jove I think you might have nailed it!!

    So Bond takes this yacht which clearly has a cabin in brown wood:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1351.htm

    Then he paints it all white to turn it into this one:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1565.htm

    Once hes done that he sails it from Venice to Porto Viro, then hundreds of kilometres along the river Po as far as Cremona, before branching off on the river Adda for several hundred more kilometres up to Lake Como. Having first, of course, stashed his Aston Martin near the villa before he set off.

    If you add up all this yacht DIY, weeks of sailing, dismantling his mast at every low bridge he encounters, stashing the Aston not to mention a decent amount of time for being grief stricken over Vesper and tracking down Mr White then I reckon the missing two years could largely be accounted for.

    This really does have to be the most ridiculous notion since @Mendes4lyfe came up with his legendary 'Roger Moore is visiting his predecessors wife's grave in FYEO' to vindicate the codename theory!

    RC7 wrote: »
    [ Why this would ever, ever be a problem to people absolutely baffles me. I think some of you need to go and have a good shag or something. A drink at least.

    Finally some sanity.
  • Mendes4LyfeMendes4Lyfe The long road ahead
    edited August 2016 Posts: 8,406
    Exactly!! Thank you!! It is confusing to me that he gets a "blank" mission. So we are supposed to just act like that mission never happened? I am just curious to know what exactly he did. People can say it doesn't matter but to me it does. The next movie immediately starts with Bond on a rogue mission. It has nothing to do with the "mission", "M" handed him at the end of "SF".

    We dont need to see Bond's life in real time you know. The mission handed to him at the end of SF could have been something dull and mundane like the plots of Fleming's 'Property of a Lady' or '007 in New York' that was over and done with in an afternoon and would make for a crap film.

    Do you want actually want EON to make a 3 year long film showing Bond clearing his inbox every day, going shopping in Tesco and reading the Times on the bog just so every moment is accounted for between films?

    Chriscoop wrote: »
    And above all bond arrives at whites villa by his yacht, that would take a fair while also.

    By jove I think you might have nailed it!!

    So Bond takes this yacht which clearly has a cabin in brown wood:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1351.htm

    Then he paints it all white to turn it into this one:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1565.htm

    Once hes done that he sails it from Venice to Porto Viro, then hundreds of kilometres along the river Po as far as Cremona, before branching off on the river Adda for several hundred more kilometres up to Lake Como. Having first, of course, stashed his Aston Martin near the villa before he set off.

    If you add up all this yacht DIY, weeks of sailing, dismantling his mast at every low bridge he encounters, stashing the Aston not to mention a decent amount of time for being grief stricken over Vesper and tracking down Mr White then I reckon the missing two years could largely be accounted for.

    This really does have to be the most ridiculous notion since @Mendes4lyfe came up with his legendary 'Roger Moore is visiting his predecessors wife's grave in FYEO' to vindicate the codename theory!

    RC7 wrote: »
    [ Why this would ever, ever be a problem to people absolutely baffles me. I think some of you need to go and have a good shag or something. A drink at least.

    Finally some sanity.

    Just FYI, that wasn't my theory, it was Oddjobshat's.
  • Exactly!! Thank you!! It is confusing to me that he gets a "blank" mission. So we are supposed to just act like that mission never happened? I am just curious to know what exactly he did. People can say it doesn't matter but to me it does. The next movie immediately starts with Bond on a rogue mission. It has nothing to do with the "mission", "M" handed him at the end of "SF".

    We dont need to see Bond's life in real time you know. The mission handed to him at the end of SF could have been something dull and mundane like the plots of Fleming's 'Property of a Lady' or '007 in New York' that was over and done with in an afternoon and would make for a crap film.

    Do you want actually want EON to make a 3 year long film showing Bond clearing his inbox every day, going shopping in Tesco and reading the Times on the bog just so every moment is accounted for between films?

    Chriscoop wrote: »
    And above all bond arrives at whites villa by his yacht, that would take a fair while also.

    By jove I think you might have nailed it!!

    So Bond takes this yacht which clearly has a cabin in brown wood:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1351.htm

    Then he paints it all white to turn it into this one:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1565.htm

    Once hes done that he sails it from Venice to Porto Viro, then hundreds of kilometres along the river Po as far as Cremona, before branching off on the river Adda for several hundred more kilometres up to Lake Como. Having first, of course, stashed his Aston Martin near the villa before he set off.

    If you add up all this yacht DIY, weeks of sailing, dismantling his mast at every low bridge he encounters, stashing the Aston not to mention a decent amount of time for being grief stricken over Vesper and tracking down Mr White then I reckon the missing two years could largely be accounted for.

    This really does have to be the most ridiculous notion since @Mendes4lyfe came up with his legendary 'Roger Moore is visiting his predecessors wife's grave in FYEO' to vindicate the codename theory!

    RC7 wrote: »
    [ Why this would ever, ever be a problem to people absolutely baffles me. I think some of you need to go and have a good shag or something. A drink at least.

    Finally some sanity.

    Absolutely superb sir. Stunning to think that this debate derives entirely from a split second glance at a party invitation. We must be getting desperate.

    I don't think it's much of a stretch to assume that SP takes place three years after SF. I know Skyfall made it look like locating an assassin requires no more than a Google search, but Sciarra was obviously harder to track down. And Moneypenny does say "forensics finally released" Bond's personal effects. They probably had a backlog going through the blown-to-shit MI6 HQ.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
    Posts: 281
    I've always taken the yacht differences as a continuity error, much like the db5, and as much as I'm aware the real complexities of taking any boat to Lake como from Venice I can't remember Mr whites villa being said as located on Lake como? Maybe I've missed that? In my mind as m is set up in siena I had whites villa somewhere on the west coast, piombina or ostia maybe? Siena is a long way to drive from Lake como with your door missing?
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,978
    @Chriscoop, not only is it not Bond's yacht (why would they get a completely different yacht when they were just using that one for filming?), but White's villa is most certainly located in Lake Como; it's a real location, you know.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
    Posts: 281
    I know como well, I also know blenheim palace is not in Rome, and you can't take a private boats as far down the grand canal as Bond and Vesper do.
    When I first watched CR I didn't notice the differences in the boats and as Mr white seems to eye it suspiciously I drew a conclusion, wrongly as it turned out when qos was released, but knowing Italy quite well the geography of the films namely using siena didn't make sense. As for Bond's Aston, it's obvious mi6 has some input into the Mr white snatch and certainly the Aston is not present in the arial shots of the villa and I doubt there's a pay and display handy so Ive connected the dots in a way that makes sense to me, half serious and half flippantly as these details don't really irk me at all :)
  • Creasy47Creasy47 In Cuba with Natalya.Moderator
    Posts: 40,978
    Which is fine, but it doesn't negate the fact that his villa is located in Lake Como.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
    edited August 2016 Posts: 281
    I know it is in real life, but is it mentioned in the film as being there? Also the clinic he recovers in is also on Lake como, I know como is a big lake but that's a coincidence isn't it, the villain you'll soon be kidnapping lives just down the road from where your recovering from having your nuts smashed ;)
  • TheWizardOfIceTheWizardOfIce 'One of the Internet's more toxic individuals'
    Posts: 9,117
    Chriscoop wrote: »
    I know como well, I also know blenheim palace is not in Rome, and you can't take a private boats as far down the grand canal as Bond and Vesper do.
    When I first watched CR I didn't notice the differences in the boats and as Mr white seems to eye it suspiciously I drew a conclusion, wrongly as it turned out when qos was released, but knowing Italy quite well the geography of the films namely using siena didn't make sense. As for Bond's Aston, it's obvious mi6 has some input into the Mr white snatch and certainly the Aston is not present in the arial shots of the villa and I doubt there's a pay and display handy so Ive connected the dots in a way that makes sense to me, half serious and half flippantly as these details don't really irk me at all :)

    Fair point about Siena. Its miles from Como and the QOS PTS car chase is actually Garda so if we're being strict about the geography the whole thing is all over the shop.

    Not to mention Karoly Vary now being mysteriously located in Montenegro.
    Exactly!! Thank you!! It is confusing to me that he gets a "blank" mission. So we are supposed to just act like that mission never happened? I am just curious to know what exactly he did. People can say it doesn't matter but to me it does. The next movie immediately starts with Bond on a rogue mission. It has nothing to do with the "mission", "M" handed him at the end of "SF".

    We dont need to see Bond's life in real time you know. The mission handed to him at the end of SF could have been something dull and mundane like the plots of Fleming's 'Property of a Lady' or '007 in New York' that was over and done with in an afternoon and would make for a crap film.

    Do you want actually want EON to make a 3 year long film showing Bond clearing his inbox every day, going shopping in Tesco and reading the Times on the bog just so every moment is accounted for between films?

    Chriscoop wrote: »
    And above all bond arrives at whites villa by his yacht, that would take a fair while also.

    By jove I think you might have nailed it!!

    So Bond takes this yacht which clearly has a cabin in brown wood:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1351.htm

    Then he paints it all white to turn it into this one:

    http://screenmusings.org/movie/dvd/Casino-Royale/pages/Casino-Royale-1565.htm

    Once hes done that he sails it from Venice to Porto Viro, then hundreds of kilometres along the river Po as far as Cremona, before branching off on the river Adda for several hundred more kilometres up to Lake Como. Having first, of course, stashed his Aston Martin near the villa before he set off.

    If you add up all this yacht DIY, weeks of sailing, dismantling his mast at every low bridge he encounters, stashing the Aston not to mention a decent amount of time for being grief stricken over Vesper and tracking down Mr White then I reckon the missing two years could largely be accounted for.

    This really does have to be the most ridiculous notion since @Mendes4lyfe came up with his legendary 'Roger Moore is visiting his predecessors wife's grave in FYEO' to vindicate the codename theory!

    RC7 wrote: »
    [ Why this would ever, ever be a problem to people absolutely baffles me. I think some of you need to go and have a good shag or something. A drink at least.

    Finally some sanity.

    Just FYI, that wasn't my theory, it was Oddjobshat's.

    Which you were happy to defend. Just re-read that thread and it is priceless stuff. I do salute you Sir for being the instigator of an absolute comedy classic.

    Meanwhile back on topic can anyone explain where the CNS building is in this shot:

    http://movie-screencaps.com/skyfall-2012/14/

    Between SF and SP they had to demolish the building on the right and build the CNS building from scratch. 3 years seems pretty generous to get all that done.
  • ChriscoopChriscoop North Yorkshire
    Posts: 281
    That building dissappeard with the same giant pinch of salt needed to follow the SF/SP timelines. Or maybe it fell down one of the gaping plot holes??
  • Chriscoop wrote: »
    That building dissappeard with the same giant pinch of salt needed to follow the SF/SP timelines. Or maybe it fell down one of the gaping plot holes??

    It's a sequel. These things happen an awful lot and it's really not worth getting hung up on.
  • RC7RC7
    Posts: 10,512
    Chriscoop wrote: »
    That building dissappeard with the same giant pinch of salt needed to follow the SF/SP timelines. Or maybe it fell down one of the gaping plot holes??

    It's a sequel. These things happen an awful lot and it's really not worth getting hung up on.

    It's a sequel. Precisely. You can mock the anomalies that retcon creates, but to aim criticism at a lack of prescience is pointless. They never know what they're doing next (and yes, I know that annoys people).
  • edited August 2016 Posts: 676
    Haven't Bond fans talked continuity between CR and QoS to death over the past 10 years? Guess not.
    jake24 wrote:
    Good point. Maybe Bond had some other missions in between that weren't as interesting or important to him, none that were entertaining enough to warrant a film.
    They must have been incredibly boring missions, considering the boredom of QoS's non-mission was made into a film. Come to think of it, Bond doesn't have an officially sanctioned mission in Spectre, either. He's basically turned into Silva - "you can pick your own secret missions, as I do."
    bondjames wrote:
    It seems to me that they've been on this never ending ride since Craig came along to never get back to the mission specific stories of yore, but they keep hinting at it nevertheless. Like they are embarrassed by them or something.
    Yeah, this strikes me too. They keep hinting they understand people want a normal Bond film - the end of Skyfall seems to acknowledge how atypical that film is - but they just can't help themselves and keep doing bizarre ideas (Bond's revenge, death of M, whatever the hell Spectre was supposed to be) instead of a normal Bond film.
    By trying to tie everything together, Craig's continuity-ridden era has tied itself into knots. But who cares? As long as the films are entertaining. Despite their attempts at tying things togethers, I still think Craig's films are relatively self-enclosed.
    If only QoS and Spectre actually were entertaining. They don't amount to much more than multi-million dollar post-scripts to actual stories (CR and Skyfall) and don't stand on their own in the slightest.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    I thought QOS and SP were entertaining and fun. :-??
  • CASINOROYALECASINOROYALE Somewhere hot
    Posts: 1,003
    Am I the only one who would watch an entire hour of Daniel Craig just looking at his emails and spying on people from his car? It could be super boring but I would watch it..

    Craig is just super enjoyable to watch lol.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    Posts: 16,351
    Am I the only one who would watch an entire hour of Daniel Craig just looking at his emails and spying on people from his car? It could be super boring but I would watch it..

    Craig is just super enjoyable to watch lol.

    I could do that too. I love Craig as Bond and I desperately want him to return for B25.
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