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  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    The gadget room in DAD shows clearly that Brosnan belongs to the timeline.

    Honestly, this is ridiculous. The continuity has been violated so many times even in the 60s.

    I can buy that Craig comes before Connery if you go for dating the films.

    But it's the same universe. The Dench discussion is silly too. It's M. It's her in DAD, it's her in CR, the same character, deal with it.
    Grasping at straws really, the whole "it's two different M's"
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
    edited June 2017 Posts: 15,423
    Well, it is "two different Ms". Both have very different characterizations and motivations. One's Barbara Mawsdley, the accountant promoted to government supreme spymaster, and the other is Olivia Mansfield, the Cold War veteran spymaster. They just kept Dench because - in Martin Campbell's words - they thought she was "fantastic".

    The Craig era doesn't come before Connery. It's a whole new different timeline unrelated to the old Bond (62-02).
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    So in DAD she's working with a seasoned agent then 6 years later she is working with a Bond who just earned his 00 status, and it's the same M? To use your choice of words ,that's "silly".
    As far as the Connery era gadgets in DAD, that is just a poor attempt at paying homage to earlier films and not to be taken literally.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
    edited June 2017 Posts: 16,351
    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    Honestly, this is ridiculous.

    Then why bother arguing about it? If I want to believe there are 3 timelines, that's my choice. If others want to believe the Judi of Pierce's run is different to the Judi of Daniel's run then that's their choice. It's a matter of personal preference. We as fans will go to great lengths to justify certain inconsistencies over the course of this franchise. One person's theory is another person's silliness. Why try to change their minds when they've clearly made them up?
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    I base my 3 timelines on Bond, in each film, exist in the present; this paired with the ages of the actors portraying him defines each incarnation
    If right now they cast a 40+ actor as Bond they could continue the Craig timeline, any younger and a new one begins.....Unless they make it a period piece, setting it in the 60's,70's,80's or 90's, then the new actor can portray Bond in either the Connery , Lazenby, Moore, or Dalton, Brosnan era. Now THAT would confuse people ;)
  • Agent007391Agent007391 Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, Start
    edited June 2017 Posts: 7,854
    Or you just take it as the Brosnan Bond also experienced those missions in a different timeframe, and with other differences. He remembers "playing bridge" with Max Zorin in Everything or Nothing, after all.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Agent007391 wrote: »
    Or you just take it as the Brosnan Bond also experienced those missions in a different timeframe, and with other differences. He remembers "playing bridge" with Max Zorin in Everything or Nothing, after all.

    Precisely. I consider the Dalton/Brosnan timeline a soft reboot of the Connery/Lazenby/Moore timeline. Similar events happened but it a new modern timeline.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
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    Murdock wrote: »
    For me it's three seperate era's. It works for me.

    1. Connery/Lazenby/Moore.

    2. Dalton/Brosnan

    3. Craig

    Nope. Dalton and Moore are both best friends with Felix Leiter and Tracy is alluded to, so they are in the same timeline with Lazenby.
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
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    Before SP, I attempted to "fix" the Bond continuity by reordering some of them as I watched - SP threw a wrench into it all but this is how I watched them:

    Casino Royale
    Quantum Of Solace
    Dr. No
    From Russia With Love
    Goldfinger
    Live And Let Die
    Thunderball
    You Only Live Twice
    Diamonds Are Forever
    The Man With The Golden Gun
    On Her Majesty's Secret Service
    For Your Eyes Only
    The Spy Who Loved Me
    Moonraker
    Octopussy
    A View To A Kill
    The Living Daylights
    Licence To Kill
    GoldenEye
    Tomorrow Never Dies
    The World Is Not Enough
    Die Another Day
    Skyfall


    Some notes while watching it this way:

    - Honey asks Bond if he's ever had a woman of his own and it looks like the question throws Connery off. You could infer that he could be thinking of Vesper in the moment.
    - The Mrs. Bond references in LALD felt off coming so quickly after the events of OHMSS...maybe it's Moore's reaction, especially when compared to how he handles the subject in later films. I think it fits well here due to Hamilton's direction.
    - Segwaying straight into DAF from YOLT is almost seamless. Was Henderson a Blofeld clone?
    - The mobster from Slumber, Inc. finds himself on Scaramanga's Island after the events of Diamonds Are Forever.
    - For Your Eyes Only coming off of OHMSS is very interesting, not just for the PTS... Bond warns Melina about being driven for revenge. Bond understands that "the dead don't care for vengeance."
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    None of that matters ; even if it's a different timeline/incarnation, the source material is the same so different timelines will feature the same characters and histories. All of what you cite above can happen in any incarnation of the original material., just in a different timeframe.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    @CrzChris4

    Congratulations. Your list is the same as mine actually!
    Spot-on.

    Craig clearly comes before Connery. It's so obvious.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me it's three seperate era's. It works for me.

    1. Connery/Lazenby/Moore.

    2. Dalton/Brosnan

    3. Craig

    Nope. Dalton and Moore are both best friends with Felix Leiter and Tracy is alluded to, so they are in the same timeline with Lazenby.

    As I've said three times, The same events can happen in the timelines just in different years with a younger man. Do I need to make it any clearer?
  • Some_Kind_Of_HeroSome_Kind_Of_Hero
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    The one thing I've discovered reading through this thread is that everyone has a different opinion on how the Bond timeline shakes down.

    I'm happy that my own view happens to be the correct one; nonetheless there are innumerable opinions out there. ;)
  • CrzChris4CrzChris4
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    talos7 wrote: »
    None of that matters ; even if it's a different timeline/incarnation, the source material is the same so different timelines will feature the same characters and histories. All of what you cite above can happen in any incarnation of the original material., just in a different timeframe.

    I'm not citing this as fact in the slightest. We are talking about a series with a floating timeline, afterall. Bar a couple references here or there, there wasn't the type of continuity they went for in the Craig films. The only time we're ever told that this guy is different is in CR, as this is clearly him before he got his license and CR is clearly not a prequel to DN.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    @CrzChris4

    Congratulations. Your list is the same as mine actually!
    Spot-on.

    Craig clearly comes before Connery. It's so obvious.
    CrzChris4 wrote: »
    talos7 wrote: »
    None of that matters ; even if it's a different timeline/incarnation, the source material is the same so different timelines will feature the same characters and histories. All of what you cite above can happen in any incarnation of the original material., just in a different timeframe.

    I'm not citing this as fact in the slightest. We are talking about a series with a floating timeline, afterall. Bar a couple references here or there, there wasn't the type of continuity they went for in the Craig films. The only time we're ever told that this guy is different is in CR, as this is clearly him before he got his license and CR is clearly not a prequel to DN.

    My post was actually in response to Echo.

  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    @CrzChris4

    Congratulations. Your list is the same as mine actually!
    Spot-on.

    Craig clearly comes before Connery. It's so obvious.
    Other than Connery's Bond originated and operated in 1962 and Craig's 2006, so clearly they belong in two completely different universes and are completely unrelated. Clearly ;)
  • WalecsWalecs On Her Majesty's Secret Service
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    Murdock wrote: »
    For me it's three seperate era's. It works for me.

    1. Connery/Lazenby/Moore.

    2. Dalton/Brosnan

    3. Craig

    Why people still don't get it is beyond me.
  • echoecho 007 in New York
    edited June 2017 Posts: 6,304
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me it's three seperate era's. It works for me.

    1. Connery/Lazenby/Moore.

    2. Dalton/Brosnan

    3. Craig

    Nope. Dalton and Moore are both best friends with Felix Leiter and Tracy is alluded to, so they are in the same timeline with Lazenby.

    As I've said three times, The same events can happen in the timelines just in different years with a younger man. Do I need to make it any clearer?

    And I'm saying you're wrong. Not one iota of contemporaneous coverage of TLD or LTK indicates that he's playing a different Bond or a different timeline than Moore. Bond is always updated to "contemporary" with each film--look at the years of technology differences in CR and QoS. You can fanwank it all you want but it doesn't make it true.
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    echo wrote: »
    Murdock wrote: »
    For me it's three seperate era's. It works for me.

    1. Connery/Lazenby/Moore.

    2. Dalton/Brosnan

    3. Craig

    Nope. Dalton and Moore are both best friends with Felix Leiter and Tracy is alluded to, so they are in the same timeline with Lazenby.

    As I've said three times, The same events can happen in the timelines just in different years with a younger man. Do I need to make it any clearer?

    And I'm saying you're wrong. Not one iota of contemporaneous coverage of TLD or LTK indicates that he's playing a different Bond or a different timeline than Moore. Bond is always updated to "contemporary" with each film--look at the years of technology differences in CR and QoS. You can fanwank it all you want but it doesn't make it true.
    Thank you.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    echo wrote: »
    You can fanwank it all you want but it doesn't make it true.

    I never said it was true. It's my interpretation of things. If you have a problem with it go bury your head in the sand.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    Wasn't Gogol referred to in TLD? He makes an appearance at the end too. That suggests that Dalts and Moore are in the same timeline, no?
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    OMG really....

    of course DN to at least LTK is the same "timeline" the same Bond. Imho Brosnan belongs to that too as Q is clearly an indicator, let alone the many references in DAD.
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    Well I'll enjoy the films in a way that makes them even better for me. You guys are free to do the same.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    The only new timeline for me is the Craig one. It has been quite distinct to date, but they're slowly trying to splice it back to the classic era (MP, male M, Blofeld, old office etc.). Perhaps the era of experimentation is over.
  • BondJasonBond006BondJasonBond006 on fb and ajb
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    For me the Craig era is like the mirror universe in Star Trek :P
  • MurdockMurdock The minus world
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    I feel like I'm in the mirror universe of this website.
  • bondjamesbondjames You were expecting someone else?
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    BondJasonBond006 wrote: »
    For me the Craig era is like the mirror universe in Star Trek :P
    Well put. I definitely feel that way about SP. Parallel universe stuff. Easily ignored going forward, as long as they don't bash us over the head with it again.
  • talos7talos7 New Orleans
    edited June 2017 Posts: 8,217
    bondjames wrote: »
    Wasn't Gogol referred to in TLD? He makes an appearance at the end too. That suggests that Dalts and Moore are in the same timeline, no?
    Not necessarily, and using the same actor, as with M, does make it confusing. The same actor is playing Gogol in two different timelines, as was done with Q and M.. the Gogol in TLD is not the same Gogol as in Timeline #1

  • barryt007barryt007
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    How does everyone feel about Blofeld being killed in this timeline and resurrected anew in the new Bond actors timeline ?
    Or should he just survive or not used at all,which is what I prefer.

    Will the timeline revert back to just after DAD and continue with the original Bond's do you think ?
  • ClarkDevlinClarkDevlin Martinis, Girls and Guns
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    I think Blofeld will be resurrected when the next era brings in a rebooted timeline, and preferable not with a tight continuity, but rather how the original 20 did it. I want Blofeld to live up to his potential and simply discard his entity as Franz Oberhauser.
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